ICE is merely enforcing laws passed by Congress and signed by our elected presidents

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ICE personnel are merely fulfilling the orders they receive from Noem and the duly elected President. No one in Congress seems to object enough to question their tactics or hold hearings on the matter. Rounding up illegal aliens often doesn’t require warrants. This is what you voted for people. Enjoy the next 3 years (it’s only gonna get worse).

It was not an excuse in Nuremburg and it won't be an excuse here.

Equating ICE to Nuremberg is a false equivalency.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the entire discussion calls for nuance, as a naturalized legal citizen, here’s my perspective.

People who have been residing in the U.S for 20+ years with no criminal record should have been offered a path to citizenship, to deport people who have lived here for 20-35 years is plain cruel. They could have asked them for 25% extra in taxes. Less than 20 years, deport because you have to agree to a number.

Now to be fair; As for ICE, law enforcement is a high strung, dangerous job. I think they are trying but sometimes people being deported also get very emotional and a charged situation is immediately created. Are there some legit bad guys in ICE? Yes, but majority are just doing a job. There’s just no easy way to go about the current orders that have been issued to them.

As with everything else, the goal wasn’t a rational, reasonable policy that could have been discussed as adults, this unnecessary misery was the point.

Also, this argument that “oh they broke the law when they came here illegally”, life isn’t black and white Infact 95% of the time it’s grey. If someone has been here for 20+ years and is a productive member of community then we should have shown compassion. Just my 2 cents.

supreme court disagrees with this assertion. just sayin'

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ICE personnel are merely fulfilling the orders they receive from Noem and the duly elected President. No one in Congress seems to object enough to question their tactics or hold hearings on the matter. Rounding up illegal aliens often doesn’t require warrants. This is what you voted for people. Enjoy the next 3 years (it’s only gonna get worse).

It was not an excuse in Nuremburg and it won't be an excuse here.

Equating ICE to Nuremberg is a false equivalency.

maybe not at the moment, but soon enough...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the entire discussion calls for nuance, as a naturalized legal citizen, here’s my perspective.

People who have been residing in the U.S for 20+ years with no criminal record should have been offered a path to citizenship, to deport people who have lived here for 20-35 years is plain cruel. They could have asked them for 25% extra in taxes. Less than 20 years, deport because you have to agree to a number.

Now to be fair; As for ICE, law enforcement is a high strung, dangerous job. I think they are trying but sometimes people being deported also get very emotional and a charged situation is immediately created. Are there some legit bad guys in ICE? Yes, but majority are just doing a job. There’s just no easy way to go about the current orders that have been issued to them.

As with everything else, the goal wasn’t a rational, reasonable policy that could have been discussed as adults, this unnecessary misery was the point.

Also, this argument that “oh they broke the law when they came here illegally”, life isn’t black and white Infact 95% of the time it’s grey. If someone has been here for 20+ years and is a productive member of community then we should have shown compassion. Just my 2 cents.

Im not sure what to do about people who have been residing here undocumented or on temporary protected status who overstayed visas or who were undocumented.

But you need to consider there have been people who have been waiting over 20 years to legally migrate through family reunification. That is how long the waiting list is to sponsor certain types of relatives in order for them to legally migrate. Their family members are upset they played by the rules and people cut in front of them, many from their own countries.

Then once you say okay if you make it here 20 years you can stay, it encourages more undocumented migrants who then will wait 20 years to legally stay.

What absolutely would help would be for law enforcement to communicate with ice and not release people with convictions. ICE often goes to the last know address of a criminal alien then can legally ask for id’s from everyone in the apartment. So sometimes no one remotely related still lives there or it is a relative with no arrests or convictions then they get carted away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ICE personnel are merely fulfilling the orders they receive from Noem and the duly elected President. No one in Congress seems to object enough to question their tactics or hold hearings on the matter. Rounding up illegal aliens often doesn’t require warrants. This is what you voted for people. Enjoy the next 3 years (it’s only gonna get worse).

It was not an excuse in Nuremburg and it won't be an excuse here.

Equating ICE to Nuremberg is a false equivalency.

True, our trials will take place in a different city.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ICE personnel are merely fulfilling the orders they receive from Noem and the duly elected President. No one in Congress seems to object enough to question their tactics or hold hearings on the matter. Rounding up illegal aliens often doesn’t require warrants. This is what you voted for people. Enjoy the next 3 years (it’s only gonna get worse).

It was not an excuse in Nuremburg and it won't be an excuse here.

Equating ICE to Nuremberg is a false equivalency.

+1 not even close

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ICE personnel are merely fulfilling the orders they receive from Noem and the duly elected President. No one in Congress seems to object enough to question their tactics or hold hearings on the matter. Rounding up illegal aliens often doesn’t require warrants. This is what you voted for people. Enjoy the next 3 years (it’s only gonna get worse).

It was not an excuse in Nuremburg and it won't be an excuse here.

Equating ICE to Nuremberg is a false equivalency.

True, our trials will take place in a different city.

You need to visit Auschwitz and Nuremburg

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is this a serious question? The “brownshirts” were also following orders from their elected leaders.

Where were you when Obama was president and had Tom Homan rounding up so many illegal immigrants he was called the Deporter in Chief.

Thought so…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why so much hate towards federal workers who are simply doing their jobs?

I understand the emotional sympathy when a day-laborer gets detained and sent back to Central America, but the law is clear: one must follow legal pathways to work lawfully in the USA.

How does the hate, targeting ICE, make any sense?

I was a Fed. I swore an oath to uphold the Constitution and I quit my job in May because they turned the actual day to day work to crap, but also because I knew I would shortly be having to do things that did not uphold the Constitution.

Any real federal worker will tell you: we are nobody’s politicized shock troops. What these guys are up to is not rank-and-file “federal worker” business.

Also they are kidnapping US citizens off the streets in these “actions” so IDK how you are making sense of that. Regrettable error? Pretending it’s not happening, actually? What is your take that makes this tolerable?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this a serious question? The “brownshirts” were also following orders from their elected leaders.

Where were you when Obama was president and had Tom Homan rounding up so many illegal immigrants he was called the Deporter in Chief.

Thought so…

Lmao.

Look, if you are equating these two scenarios you are too far behind to help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ICE personnel are merely fulfilling the orders they receive from Noem and the duly elected President. No one in Congress seems to object enough to question their tactics or hold hearings on the matter. Rounding up illegal aliens often doesn’t require warrants. This is what you voted for people. Enjoy the next 3 years (it’s only gonna get worse).

It was not an excuse in Nuremburg and it won't be an excuse here.

Equating ICE to Nuremberg is a false equivalency.

True, our trials will take place in a different city.

You need to visit Auschwitz and Nuremburg

Maybe you should pick up a book.

https://www.auschwitz.org/en/history/

“The direct reason for the establishment of the camp was the fact that mass arrests of Poles were increasing beyond the capacity of existing "local" prisons. The first transport of Poles reached KL Auschwitz from Tarnów prison on June 14, 1940. Initially, Auschwitz was to be one more concentration camp of the type that the Nazis had been setting up since the early 1930s. It functioned in this role throughout its existence, even when, beginning in 1942, it also became the largest of the extermination centers where the "Endlösung der Judenfrage" (the final solution to the Jewish question - the Nazi plan to murder European Jews) was carried out.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ICE personnel are merely fulfilling the orders they receive from Noem and the duly elected President. No one in Congress seems to object enough to question their tactics or hold hearings on the matter. Rounding up illegal aliens often doesn’t require warrants. This is what you voted for people. Enjoy the next 3 years (it’s only gonna get worse).

It was not an excuse in Nuremburg and it won't be an excuse here.

Equating ICE to Nuremberg is a false equivalency.

maybe not at the moment, but soon enough...

You wish.

But this kind of talk will force people to 1) not vote a democrat again, or 2) if a democrat does win, go to war.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the entire discussion calls for nuance, as a naturalized legal citizen, here’s my perspective.

People who have been residing in the U.S for 20+ years with no criminal record should have been offered a path to citizenship, to deport people who have lived here for 20-35 years is plain cruel. They could have asked them for 25% extra in taxes. Less than 20 years, deport because you have to agree to a number.

Now to be fair; As for ICE, law enforcement is a high strung, dangerous job. I think they are trying but sometimes people being deported also get very emotional and a charged situation is immediately created. Are there some legit bad guys in ICE? Yes, but majority are just doing a job. There’s just no easy way to go about the current orders that have been issued to them.

As with everything else, the goal wasn’t a rational, reasonable policy that could have been discussed as adults, this unnecessary misery was the point.

Also, this argument that “oh they broke the law when they came here illegally”, life isn’t black and white Infact 95% of the time it’s grey. If someone has been here for 20+ years and is a productive member of community then we should have shown compassion. Just my 2 cents.

Im not sure what to do about people who have been residing here undocumented or on temporary protected status who overstayed visas or who were undocumented.

But you need to consider there have been people who have been waiting over 20 years to legally migrate through family reunification. That is how long the waiting list is to sponsor certain types of relatives in order for them to legally migrate. Their family members are upset they played by the rules and people cut in front of them, many from their own countries.

Then once you say okay if you make it here 20 years you can stay, it encourages more undocumented migrants who then will wait 20 years to legally stay.

What absolutely would help would be for law enforcement to communicate with ice and not release people with convictions. ICE often goes to the last know address of a criminal alien then can legally ask for id’s from everyone in the apartment. So sometimes no one remotely related still lives there or it is a relative with no arrests or convictions then they get carted away.

I am 100% in favor of this common-sense measure. Why would anyone be opposed to this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why so much hate towards federal workers who are simply doing their jobs?

I understand the emotional sympathy when a day-laborer gets detained and sent back to Central America, but the law is clear: one must follow legal pathways to work lawfully in the USA.

How does the hate, targeting ICE, make any sense?

Just keep telling yourself that. It’s your story and you are sticking to it.
No respectable citizen would agree to this job, it’s despicable how they conduct themselves. No need to act like animals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What part of the law authorizes ICE to conceal their faces and identities and to refuse to identify themselves or show warrants?

What part of the law authorizes ICE to use force and violence against people who are not being violent or in any other way directly endangering them?

What part of the law allows ICE to disappear 1200 people and not provide any details about it to their family members, attorneys, press, members of Congress etc?

What part of the law allows ICE to circumvent all laws and regulations in rapidly building a prison camp in a swamp?

How are they "merely following the law" OP? I don't get it.

That there's no response to this is telling. Republicans, deep down you know what they are doing crosses some lines.