ICE is merely enforcing laws passed by Congress and signed by our elected presidents

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why so much hate towards federal workers who are simply doing their jobs?

I understand the emotional sympathy when a day-laborer gets detained and sent back to Central America, but the law is clear: one must follow legal pathways to work lawfully in the USA.

How does the hate, targeting ICE, make any sense?

This might help you understand why ICE is getting hate, OP. By the way, he is 79, an American citizen and (rightfully) using the government. We are all poorer for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU2-y0BOCAY

Here is another reason:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFOQiNmMMSM

Also an American citizen.

For the record, I picked to US citizens only because one of the PPs seems to think American citizens aren't being treated this way. Nobody should be terrorized, abused, and mistreated like this. No one. But it must be pointed out that ICE, too, is breaking laws and abusing power every day.

DHS and ICE will never be forgiven for sending 200 hundred Venezuelans to a torture prison in El Salvador many of whom had come to the United States legally and had legal status to stay. Anyone who is not sickened by how these men were treated... I don't understand you.

No, OP. Ice is not "merely enforcing the law." They are imitating the Gestapo and treating human beings as though they were animals. That is not right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is this a serious question? The “brownshirts” were also following orders from their elected leaders.

What really adds insult to injury is that in addition to paying for this nonsense we then have to pull soldiers and marines off of their actual duties and pay them to go protect ICE kiddie’s feelings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why so much hate towards federal workers who are simply doing their jobs?

I understand the emotional sympathy when a day-laborer gets detained and sent back to Central America, but the law is clear: one must follow legal pathways to work lawfully in the USA.

How does the hate, targeting ICE, make any sense?

You mean you enjoy watching obese meatheads abuse authority and toss people half their size around when it's unwarranted, fully knowing that their are cameras rolling? Local police used to do this until their IA divisions started getting serious. Can't wait for the day of reckoning when all these rent-a-cops are put on a list of civil rights violators by some special future prosecutor. There's so much video evidence and no plausible deniability if they own a tv or a phone.

[Anonymous]

No one told them to aim guns at innocent people or knock people into walls or tackle people or kidnap five-year-old autistic girls to use as a lure to get a dad to be kidnapped himself.

[Anonymous]

Because...

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What part of the law authorizes ICE to conceal their faces and identities and to refuse to identify themselves or show warrants?

What part of the law authorizes ICE to use force and violence against people who are not being violent or in any other way directly endangering them?

What part of the law allows ICE to disappear 1200 people and not provide any details about it to their family members, attorneys, press, members of Congress etc?

What part of the law allows ICE to circumvent all laws and regulations in rapidly building a prison camp in a swamp?

How are they "merely following the law" OP? I don't get it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because...

does he even realize his clip dropped?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one told them to aim guns at innocent people or knock people into walls or tackle people or kidnap five-year-old autistic girls to use as a lure to get a dad to be kidnapped himself.

Where you there when they made orders to the person or persons? Maybe they acted like they had a gun and was reaching for it. You don't know. You weren't there. Your just looking at a picture.

If that's the case ICE should release body cam video and prove it. But they haven't. In this day and age as a law enforcement officer, if you can't prove it with body cam video there's a good chance a court will say it didn't happen. This is why body cams exist for law enforcement officers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because...

does he even realize his clip dropped?

clip?, what the? hahaha

[Anonymous]

ICE personnel are merely fulfilling the orders they receive from Noem and the duly elected President. No one in Congress seems to object enough to question their tactics or hold hearings on the matter. Rounding up illegal aliens often doesn’t require warrants. This is what you voted for people. Enjoy the next 3 years (it’s only gonna get worse).

[Anonymous]

On the one hand, I am baffled how legal immigrants are expected to just stay here by virtue of getting in a while back and “having made a life here”.
On the other hand, ICE should be way smarter about removing them. No high profile cases like removing grandmas, no violence. Kick people out swiftly but quietly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one told them to aim guns at innocent people or knock people into walls or tackle people or kidnap five-year-old autistic girls to use as a lure to get a dad to be kidnapped himself.

Where you there when they made orders to the person or persons? Maybe they acted like they had a gun and was reaching for it. You don't know. You weren't there. Your just looking at a picture.

If that's the case ICE should release body cam video and prove it. But they haven't. In this day and age as a law enforcement officer, if you can't prove it with body cam video there's a good chance a court will say it didn't happen. This is why body cams exist for law enforcement officers.

There is other footage of the same incidents that shows clearly that these agents were in no danger and no one was around who posed any threat. It was simply untrained idiots doing classically stupid and dangerous things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ICE personnel are merely fulfilling the orders they receive from Noem and the duly elected President. No one in Congress seems to object enough to question their tactics or hold hearings on the matter. Rounding up illegal aliens often doesn’t require warrants. This is what you voted for people. Enjoy the next 3 years (it’s only gonna get worse).

It was not an excuse in Nuremburg and it won't be an excuse here.

[Anonymous]

I think the entire discussion calls for nuance, as a naturalized legal citizen, here’s my perspective.

People who have been residing in the U.S for 20+ years with no criminal record should have been offered a path to citizenship, to deport people who have lived here for 20-35 years is plain cruel. They could have asked them for 25% extra in taxes. Less than 20 years, deport because you have to agree to a number.

Now to be fair; As for ICE, law enforcement is a high strung, dangerous job. I think they are trying but sometimes people being deported also get very emotional and a charged situation is immediately created. Are there some legit bad guys in ICE? Yes, but majority are just doing a job. There’s just no easy way to go about the current orders that have been issued to them.

As with everything else, the goal wasn’t a rational, reasonable policy that could have been discussed as adults, this unnecessary misery was the point.

Also, this argument that “oh they broke the law when they came here illegally”, life isn’t black and white Infact 95% of the time it’s grey. If someone has been here for 20+ years and is a productive member of community then we should have shown compassion. Just my 2 cents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:On the one hand, I am baffled how legal immigrants are expected to just stay here by virtue of getting in a while back and “having made a life here”.
On the other hand, ICE should be way smarter about removing them. No high profile cases like removing grandmas, no violence. Kick people out swiftly but quietly.

Why would you be baffled about how legal immigrants can stay here and making a life here? That is the American way!

Or was, before the racists took over again.