demographics chipping away at college industrial complex

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The top is actually doing great. Most diverse economic and racial elite we’ve had in history. Students are all qualified to attend, maybe their stats are different but they all have the academic potential to excel. More people than ever can afford an elite education.

At the lower level, state schools are taking control over the lost lac applicants and rising costs of college. A lot of state schools are serving a different and expanded range of students

What is "racial elite"?

Most of American history, it was unthinkable that many people of color could reach the top and succeed; there were so many barriers. We have removed a ton and now we have a much more racially diverse elite class. It’s that simple.

Correction: Most of American history (1600s to the 1970s or so), African Americans were banned from succeeding in certain areas, barriers is not a strong enough word, and most other groups in your contrived POC coalition have not been here long enough to be included in a "most of American history" conversation.

Correction: it wasn't just African Americans who who barred from higher ed throughout history.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think this might be a good thing. If a college is outside the t75 I question why it exists/why people attend. Even Penn State level places are sort of questionable... Bottom line is no one will be missing much.

Why is the number 75 special to you?

There are hundreds of colleges below t75 where people train to become nurses, for example.

Now, a liberal arts degree at a low ranked school, you better be rich before you go.

I picked 75 to be inclusive of Tulane (no personal connection) and to draw the line near Penn State level places.

Penn State’s business school (also no personal connection) has great placement. Such a weird take.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think this might be a good thing. If a college is outside the t75 I question why it exists/why people attend. Even Penn State level places are sort of questionable... Bottom line is no one will be missing much.

Why is the number 75 special to you?

There are hundreds of colleges below t75 where people train to become nurses, for example.

Now, a liberal arts degree at a low ranked school, you better be rich before you go.

I picked 75 to be inclusive of Tulane (no personal connection) and to draw the line near Penn State level places.

Penn State’s business school (also no personal connection) has great placement. Such a weird take.

Penn State is in the t75...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The top is actually doing great. Most diverse economic and racial elite we’ve had in history. Students are all qualified to attend, maybe their stats are different but they all have the academic potential to excel. More people than ever can afford an elite education.

At the lower level, state schools are taking control over the lost lac applicants and rising costs of college. A lot of state schools are serving a different and expanded range of students

What is "racial elite"?

Most of American history, it was unthinkable that many people of color could reach the top and succeed; there were so many barriers. We have removed a ton and now we have a much more racially diverse elite class. It’s that simple.

Correction: Most of American history (1600s to the 1970s or so), African Americans were banned from succeeding in certain areas, barriers is not a strong enough word, and most other groups in your contrived POC coalition have not been here long enough to be included in a "most of American history" conversation.

? You think Asian and Hispanic Americans just dropped in the US. They were standing by black Americans for the civil rights act and various other political freedoms we take for granted.

No, they were not. One because they were not here in large numbers, and two, African Americans were the particular targets of the discrimination that the Civil rights movement addressed.

it was hard for large numbers of Asian Americans to have stood stood by them because large numbers of Asians were barred from immigrating to the US until about the 1960s. There weren't that many Asian Americans here to begin with due to to racist immigration policies in the past. Please read up on US immigration history.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The top is actually doing great. Most diverse economic and racial elite we’ve had in history. Students are all qualified to attend, maybe their stats are different but they all have the academic potential to excel. More people than ever can afford an elite education.

At the lower level, state schools are taking control over the lost lac applicants and rising costs of college. A lot of state schools are serving a different and expanded range of students

What is "racial elite"?

Most of American history, it was unthinkable that many people of color could reach the top and succeed; there were so many barriers. We have removed a ton and now we have a much more racially diverse elite class. It’s that simple.

Correction: Most of American history (1600s to the 1970s or so), African Americans were banned from succeeding in certain areas, barriers is not a strong enough word, and most other groups in your contrived POC coalition have not been here long enough to be included in a "most of American history" conversation.

? You think Asian and Hispanic Americans just dropped in the US. They were standing by black Americans for the civil rights act and various other political freedoms we take for granted.

No, they were not. One because they were not here in large numbers, and two, African Americans were the particular targets of the discrimination that the Civil rights movement addressed.

+1

The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 was passed AFTER the Civil Rights Act of 1964. African Americans via fighting for equal rights paved the way for many more Asians and Hispanics to come to the U.S. and spurred other movements.

Better recognize.

Indeed.. it's hard for a group of people to fight for civil rights when they are barred from even immigrating to the country, and even those who managed to, were also discriminated against.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Following the linked article through to the WICHE report I eventually found this: https://www.wiche.edu/resources/report-u-s-high-school-graduates-will-peak-next-year-then-most-states-will-see-steady-declines-through-2041/#:~:text=Eight%20states%20will%20see%20significant,decline%20in%20high%20school%20graduates.

Interesting section here suggests (at least to me) that several state public universities will increasingly become receiving jurisdictions for college students (and DC will become a sending jurisdiction). I wouldn’t be too mad to send a child to a state university in California, Michigan, New York, or Illinois.

Regional variation. The distribution of the decline in high school graduates will vary across states. Compared to the last year of reported data in 2023, most U.S. states (38) will see losses in the number of high school graduates through 2041. Eight states will see significant enrollment declines of more than 20% and five of the nation’s largest states by population — California (-29%), Illinois (-32%), Michigan (-20%), New York (-27%), and Pennsylvania (-17%) — will account for three-quarters (75%) of the decline in high school graduates. Meanwhile, nine of 17 states in the South will see gains or no change, and gains in some of those states will be significant, such as Washington, D.C. (+31%), Tennessee (+15%), South Carolina (+14%), and Florida (+12%).

Other interesting tidbits from that article:

Suburban and rural HS grads will increase, while urban areas will decrease.
Hispanic and multiracial grads will increase, while all other groups will decrease.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this might be a good thing. If a college is outside the t75 I question why it exists/why people attend. Even Penn State level places are sort of questionable... Bottom line is no one will be missing much.

Why is the number 75 special to you?

There are hundreds of colleges below t75 where people train to become nurses, for example.

Now, a liberal arts degree at a low ranked school, you better be rich before you go.

I picked 75 to be inclusive of Tulane (no personal connection) and to draw the line near Penn State level places.

Penn State’s business school (also no personal connection) has great placement. Such a weird take.

Penn State is in the t75...

And it was called “sort of questionable.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this might be a good thing. If a college is outside the t75 I question why it exists/why people attend. Even Penn State level places are sort of questionable... Bottom line is no one will be missing much.

Why is the number 75 special to you?

There are hundreds of colleges below t75 where people train to become nurses, for example.

Now, a liberal arts degree at a low ranked school, you better be rich before you go.

Not to mention most of the state flagship universities. By this reckoning, many states shouldn't have any universities at all so you think all intelligent, motivated people should have to go elsewhere for an education?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this might be a good thing. If a college is outside the t75 I question why it exists/why people attend. Even Penn State level places are sort of questionable... Bottom line is no one will be missing much.

Why is the number 75 special to you?

There are hundreds of colleges below t75 where people train to become nurses, for example.

Now, a liberal arts degree at a low ranked school, you better be rich before you go.

I picked 75 to be inclusive of Tulane (no personal connection) and to draw the line near Penn State level places.

Penn State’s business school (also no personal connection) has great placement. Such a weird take.

Penn State is in the t75...

And it was called “sort of questionable.”

It's borderline but still "in"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this might be a good thing. If a college is outside the t75 I question why it exists/why people attend. Even Penn State level places are sort of questionable... Bottom line is no one will be missing much.

Why is the number 75 special to you?

There are hundreds of colleges below t75 where people train to become nurses, for example.

Now, a liberal arts degree at a low ranked school, you better be rich before you go.

Not to mention most of the state flagship universities. By this reckoning, many states shouldn't have any universities at all so you think all intelligent, motivated people should have to go elsewhere for an education?

Most already do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://hechingerreport.org/the-impact-of-this-is-economic-decline/

15% decrease in college attendance in decade before covid.

10% decrease in 18 year olds in next decade.

Colleges will see more pressure to lower prices. Students will see less pressure In admissions.

The oligarchs are terrified of losing their wage slaves.

Mediocre schools will be struggling and closing.
Popular schools will be more popular.

It's like Canada has shit ton of land, but the real estate cost is skyrocketing in the popular cities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The top is actually doing great. Most diverse economic and racial elite we’ve had in history. Students are all qualified to attend, maybe their stats are different but they all have the academic potential to excel. More people than ever can afford an elite education.

At the lower level, state schools are taking control over the lost lac applicants and rising costs of college. A lot of state schools are serving a different and expanded range of students

What is "racial elite"?

Most of American history, it was unthinkable that many people of color could reach the top and succeed; there were so many barriers. We have removed a ton and now we have a much more racially diverse elite class. It’s that simple.

Correction: Most of American history (1600s to the 1970s or so), African Americans were banned from succeeding in certain areas, barriers is not a strong enough word, and most other groups in your contrived POC coalition have not been here long enough to be included in a "most of American history" conversation.

? You think Asian and Hispanic Americans just dropped in the US. They were standing by black Americans for the civil rights act and various other political freedoms we take for granted.

No, they were not. One because they were not here in large numbers, and two, African Americans were the particular targets of the discrimination that the Civil rights movement addressed.

+1

The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 was passed AFTER the Civil Rights Act of 1964. African Americans via fighting for equal rights paved the way for many more Asians and Hispanics to come to the U.S. and spurred other movements.

Better recognize.

I don’t think the person you agreed with agrees with you at all. They seem to outright deny that fact.

No, they agree. The point is that immigrants came and have benefited from the African American struggle and their fight for equality, so no, there wasn't a sort of POC coalition to fight for POC rights in American history. African Americans, with white and Jewish (yes lots of Jewish people and yes some consider themselves white and some don't I don't have an opinion on that that is for them to share with us) allies fought for African American freedom from Jim Crow and other types of discrimination. Immigrants benefited from the U.S. finally living up to its principles to come as economic migrants. Immigrants do not care about African Americans beyond invoking our work to change the nation to make historical analogies to benefit them, so don't ask us to engage in a fake "POC" solidarity with you on your terms only.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this might be a good thing. If a college is outside the t75 I question why it exists/why people attend. Even Penn State level places are sort of questionable... Bottom line is no one will be missing much.

Why is the number 75 special to you?

There are hundreds of colleges below t75 where people train to become nurses, for example.

Now, a liberal arts degree at a low ranked school, you better be rich before you go.

Not to mention most of the state flagship universities. By this reckoning, many states shouldn't have any universities at all so you think all intelligent, motivated people should have to go elsewhere for an education?

Most already do.

Most college students stay close to home - median distance 94 miles, 75th percentile is only 230 miles. It's higher among those with high SAT scores -- 234 miles for 1500+ and 179 for 1400-1490. But that's still not far and for many students is likely their state's top university.
https://eric.ed.gov/?id=EJ838811#:~:text=The%20median%20distance%20students%20go,education%2C%20ethnicity%2C%20and%20gender.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this might be a good thing. If a college is outside the t75 I question why it exists/why people attend. Even Penn State level places are sort of questionable... Bottom line is no one will be missing much.

Why is the number 75 special to you?

There are hundreds of colleges below t75 where people train to become nurses, for example.

Now, a liberal arts degree at a low ranked school, you better be rich before you go.

Not to mention most of the state flagship universities. By this reckoning, many states shouldn't have any universities at all so you think all intelligent, motivated people should have to go elsewhere for an education?

Most already do.

Most college students stay close to home - median distance 94 miles, 75th percentile is only 230 miles. It's higher among those with high SAT scores -- 234 miles for 1500+ and 179 for 1400-1490. But that's still not far and for many students is likely their state's top university.
https://eric.ed.gov/?id=EJ838811#:~:text=The%20median%20distance%20students%20go,education%2C%20ethnicity%2C%20and%20gender.

Thanks for sending.

SAT scores
Examining the average distance students go away for college by SAT scores, the positive trend between the two variables is readily apparent. As one's SAT score increases so does the average (median) distance they travel to college. The correlation between students' SAT score and distance from home was 0.15 (p <.001). Figure 1 provides the median distance students go away to college by 100 point score bands. For example, the median distance for low performing students (n = 699), who scored between 400 and 490, is 42 miles. How-ever, for the highest performers, who scored between 1500
and 1600 (n = 9,294), the median distance jumps to 234
miles. That is roughly 5.6 times further

They found the same for GPA. This proves my point and is very interesting. Genuinely thanks for sending, very cool.

[Anonymous]

I think its bizarre than anyone thinks the price of anything would ever go down -- college, groceries, health insurance..... The rate of increases might slow, but the price of something is never going to be less next year, or five years from now, than it is now. The only time the price for the *same product goes down* is when, for example, real estate somewhere becomes totally devalued (see: Detroit, Baltimore) or we have something like the Great Depression and demand for everything drops more than 25 percent because there is massive unemployment.