demographics chipping away at college industrial complex

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Anonymous wrote:The top is actually doing great. Most diverse economic and racial elite we’ve had in history. Students are all qualified to attend, maybe their stats are different but they all have the academic potential to excel. More people than ever can afford an elite education.

At the lower level, state schools are taking control over the lost lac applicants and rising costs of college. A lot of state schools are serving a different and expanded range of students

What is "racial elite"?

Most of American history, it was unthinkable that many people of color could reach the top and succeed; there were so many barriers. We have removed a ton and now we have a much more racially diverse elite class. It’s that simple.

Correction: Most of American history (1600s to the 1970s or so), African Americans were banned from succeeding in certain areas, barriers is not a strong enough word, and most other groups in your contrived POC coalition have not been here long enough to be included in a "most of American history" conversation.

? You think Asian and Hispanic Americans just dropped in the US. They were standing by black Americans for the civil rights act and various other political freedoms we take for granted.

No, they were not. One because they were not here in large numbers, and two, African Americans were the particular targets of the discrimination that the Civil rights movement addressed.

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The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 was passed AFTER the Civil Rights Act of 1964. African Americans via fighting for equal rights paved the way for many more Asians and Hispanics to come to the U.S. and spurred other movements.

Better recognize.

I don’t think the person you agreed with agrees with you at all. They seem to outright deny that fact.

No, they agree. The point is that immigrants came and have benefited from the African American struggle and their fight for equality, so no, there wasn't a sort of POC coalition to fight for POC rights in American history. African Americans, with white and Jewish (yes lots of Jewish people and yes some consider themselves white and some don't I don't have an opinion on that that is for them to share with us) allies fought for African American freedom from Jim Crow and other types of discrimination. Immigrants benefited from the U.S. finally living up to its principles to come as economic migrants. Immigrants do not care about African Americans beyond invoking our work to change the nation to make historical analogies to benefit them, so don't ask us to engage in a fake "POC" solidarity with you on your terms only.

And what benefit do they have that you do not?

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Anonymous wrote:I think this might be a good thing. If a college is outside the t75 I question why it exists/why people attend. Even Penn State level places are sort of questionable... Bottom line is no one will be missing much.

Penn State does a billion dollars a year in research. It is not questionable that it will exist and people will attend. Penn State makes considerable more contributions to academia than Tulane. No slight on Tulane intended, but they just aren’t comparable.

No connection to Tulane, no connection to Penn State.

Tulane has higher standards than Penn State in terms of academics/intelligence. Tulane's reputation as a selective university is far superior to Penn State's. It's the difference between Rutgers and Wake Forest. If you want a massive state school that doesn't have strict standards, go to Rutgers. If you want a smaller more selective university, go to Wake.

Penn State is a global university and ranks in the top 100 in both the QS and THE rankings. Tulane is in to 600s for QS and 400s for THE. Penn State has a better reputation globally.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this might be a good thing. If a college is outside the t75 I question why it exists/why people attend. Even Penn State level places are sort of questionable... Bottom line is no one will be missing much.

Penn State does a billion dollars a year in research. It is not questionable that it will exist and people will attend. Penn State makes considerable more contributions to academia than Tulane. No slight on Tulane intended, but they just aren’t comparable.

No connection to Tulane, no connection to Penn State.

Tulane has higher standards than Penn State in terms of academics/intelligence. Tulane's reputation as a selective university is far superior to Penn State's. It's the difference between Rutgers and Wake Forest. If you want a massive state school that doesn't have strict standards, go to Rutgers. If you want a smaller more selective university, go to Wake.

Penn State is a global university and ranks in the top 100 in both the QS and THE rankings. Tulane is in to 600s for QS and 400s for THE. Penn State has a better reputation globally.

The same rankings that rank Dartmouth, and Vanderbilt below Arizona State? No one gives a flying f--- about the global rankings.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this might be a good thing. If a college is outside the t75 I question why it exists/why people attend. Even Penn State level places are sort of questionable... Bottom line is no one will be missing much.

Penn State does a billion dollars a year in research. It is not questionable that it will exist and people will attend. Penn State makes considerable more contributions to academia than Tulane. No slight on Tulane intended, but they just aren’t comparable.

No connection to Tulane, no connection to Penn State.

Tulane has higher standards than Penn State in terms of academics/intelligence. Tulane's reputation as a selective university is far superior to Penn State's. It's the difference between Rutgers and Wake Forest. If you want a massive state school that doesn't have strict standards, go to Rutgers. If you want a smaller more selective university, go to Wake.

Penn State is a global university and ranks in the top 100 in both the QS and THE rankings. Tulane is in to 600s for QS and 400s for THE. Penn State has a better reputation globally.

The same rankings that rank Dartmouth, and Vanderbilt below Arizona State? No one gives a flying f--- about the global rankings.

The global rankings are about research, something Dartmouth is trash at and depriving its students from taking advantage of.

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No one even brought up rankings... but if you want to talk about rankings, before DEI Tulane was #44 and Penn State was #77. Forbes currently also has Tulane above Penn State. But none of this matters because it's clear that Tulane is far and away a more selective/exclusive school than your school with like 100k students, bad test scores, and a 60% acceptance rate.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this might be a good thing. If a college is outside the t75 I question why it exists/why people attend. Even Penn State level places are sort of questionable... Bottom line is no one will be missing much.

Penn State does a billion dollars a year in research. It is not questionable that it will exist and people will attend. Penn State makes considerable more contributions to academia than Tulane. No slight on Tulane intended, but they just aren’t comparable.

No connection to Tulane, no connection to Penn State.

Tulane has higher standards than Penn State in terms of academics/intelligence. Tulane's reputation as a selective university is far superior to Penn State's. It's the difference between Rutgers and Wake Forest. If you want a massive state school that doesn't have strict standards, go to Rutgers. If you want a smaller more selective university, go to Wake.

Penn State is a global university and ranks in the top 100 in both the QS and THE rankings. Tulane is in to 600s for QS and 400s for THE. Penn State has a better reputation globally.

The same rankings that rank Dartmouth, and Vanderbilt below Arizona State? No one gives a flying f--- about the global rankings.

The global rankings care about research impacting the world, not so-called prestige. Some people think scientific discoveries are important.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The top is actually doing great. Most diverse economic and racial elite we’ve had in history. Students are all qualified to attend, maybe their stats are different but they all have the academic potential to excel. More people than ever can afford an elite education.

At the lower level, state schools are taking control over the lost lac applicants and rising costs of college. A lot of state schools are serving a different and expanded range of students

What is "racial elite"?

Most of American history, it was unthinkable that many people of color could reach the top and succeed; there were so many barriers. We have removed a ton and now we have a much more racially diverse elite class. It’s that simple.

Correction: Most of American history (1600s to the 1970s or so), African Americans were banned from succeeding in certain areas, barriers is not a strong enough word, and most other groups in your contrived POC coalition have not been here long enough to be included in a "most of American history" conversation.

Spanish settlers here well before Jamestown. Indigenous peoples here way before that. The more you know

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Anonymous wrote:No one even brought up rankings... but if you want to talk about rankings, before DEI Tulane was #44 and Penn State was #77. Forbes currently also has Tulane above Penn State. But none of this matters because it's clear that Tulane is far and away a more selective/exclusive school than your school with like 100k students, bad test scores, and a 60% acceptance rate.

A 60% acceptance rate might be more respectable than all the tricks/ yield protection Tulane does to keep its acceptance rate down

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Anonymous wrote:No one even brought up rankings... but if you want to talk about rankings, before DEI Tulane was #44 and Penn State was #77. Forbes currently also has Tulane above Penn State. But none of this matters because it's clear that Tulane is far and away a more selective/exclusive school than your school with like 100k students, bad test scores, and a 60% acceptance rate.

A 60% acceptance rate might be more respectable than all the tricks/ yield protection Tulane does to keep its acceptance rate down

Might be to you. Do you still think so after considering the 7,859 satellite campuses Penn State operates and sends prospective to? Lmk.

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Anonymous wrote:https://hechingerreport.org/the-impact-of-this-is-economic-decline/

15% decrease in college attendance in decade before covid.

10% decrease in 18 year olds in next decade.

Colleges will see more pressure to lower prices. Students will see less pressure In admissions.

The oligarchs are terrified of losing their wage slaves.

Perhaps some lower tier privates will close. Staff will be let go to alleviate deficits. However, I don't see a tuition decrease. I can't think of ANYTHING that is lower priced in the past 10 years other than electronics.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this might be a good thing. If a college is outside the t75 I question why it exists/why people attend. Even Penn State level places are sort of questionable... Bottom line is no one will be missing much.

Penn State does a billion dollars a year in research. It is not questionable that it will exist and people will attend. Penn State makes considerable more contributions to academia than Tulane. No slight on Tulane intended, but they just aren’t comparable.

No connection to Tulane, no connection to Penn State.

Tulane has higher standards than Penn State in terms of academics/intelligence. Tulane's reputation as a selective university is far superior to Penn State's. It's the difference between Rutgers and Wake Forest. If you want a massive state school that doesn't have strict standards, go to Rutgers. If you want a smaller more selective university, go to Wake.

Penn State is a global university and ranks in the top 100 in both the QS and THE rankings. Tulane is in to 600s for QS and 400s for THE. Penn State has a better reputation globally.

The same rankings that rank Dartmouth, and Vanderbilt below Arizona State? No one gives a flying f--- about the global rankings.

The global rankings are about research, something Dartmouth is trash at and depriving its students from taking advantage of.

Undergraduate research is meaningless.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this might be a good thing. If a college is outside the t75 I question why it exists/why people attend. Even Penn State level places are sort of questionable... Bottom line is no one will be missing much.

Penn State does a billion dollars a year in research. It is not questionable that it will exist and people will attend. Penn State makes considerable more contributions to academia than Tulane. No slight on Tulane intended, but they just aren’t comparable.

No connection to Tulane, no connection to Penn State.

Tulane has higher standards than Penn State in terms of academics/intelligence. Tulane's reputation as a selective university is far superior to Penn State's. It's the difference between Rutgers and Wake Forest. If you want a massive state school that doesn't have strict standards, go to Rutgers. If you want a smaller more selective university, go to Wake.

Penn State is a global university and ranks in the top 100 in both the QS and THE rankings. Tulane is in to 600s for QS and 400s for THE. Penn State has a better reputation globally.

The same rankings that rank Dartmouth, and Vanderbilt below Arizona State? No one gives a flying f--- about the global rankings.

The global rankings are about research, something Dartmouth is trash at and depriving its students from taking advantage of.

Undergraduate research is meaningless.

That’s a hilariously dumb statement.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this might be a good thing. If a college is outside the t75 I question why it exists/why people attend. Even Penn State level places are sort of questionable... Bottom line is no one will be missing much.

Penn State does a billion dollars a year in research. It is not questionable that it will exist and people will attend. Penn State makes considerable more contributions to academia than Tulane. No slight on Tulane intended, but they just aren’t comparable.

No connection to Tulane, no connection to Penn State.

Tulane has higher standards than Penn State in terms of academics/intelligence. Tulane's reputation as a selective university is far superior to Penn State's. It's the difference between Rutgers and Wake Forest. If you want a massive state school that doesn't have strict standards, go to Rutgers. If you want a smaller more selective university, go to Wake.

Penn State is a global university and ranks in the top 100 in both the QS and THE rankings. Tulane is in to 600s for QS and 400s for THE. Penn State has a better reputation globally.

The same rankings that rank Dartmouth, and Vanderbilt below Arizona State? No one gives a flying f--- about the global rankings.

The global rankings are about research, something Dartmouth is trash at and depriving its students from taking advantage of.

Undergraduate research is meaningless.

That’s a hilariously dumb statement.

It’s spot on at an R1. Undergraduates do not do meaningful research.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this might be a good thing. If a college is outside the t75 I question why it exists/why people attend. Even Penn State level places are sort of questionable... Bottom line is no one will be missing much.

Why is the number 75 special to you?

There are hundreds of colleges below t75 where people train to become nurses, for example.

Now, a liberal arts degree at a low ranked school, you better be rich before you go.

I picked 75 to be inclusive of Tulane (no personal connection) and to draw the line near Penn State level places.

Tulane is #63 in USNWR, not 75.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this might be a good thing. If a college is outside the t75 I question why it exists/why people attend. Even Penn State level places are sort of questionable... Bottom line is no one will be missing much.

Why is the number 75 special to you?

There are hundreds of colleges below t75 where people train to become nurses, for example.

Now, a liberal arts degree at a low ranked school, you better be rich before you go.

I picked 75 to be inclusive of Tulane (no personal connection) and to draw the line near Penn State level places.

Tulane is #63 in USNWR, not 75.

Right! So by picking t75 instead of, say, t50 or t60, the PP was including Tulane. What do you not get?