demographics chipping away at college industrial complex

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Anonymous wrote:The top is actually doing great. Most diverse economic and racial elite we’ve had in history. Students are all qualified to attend, maybe their stats are different but they all have the academic potential to excel. More people than ever can afford an elite education.

At the lower level, state schools are taking control over the lost lac applicants and rising costs of college. A lot of state schools are serving a different and expanded range of students

What is "racial elite"?

Most of American history, it was unthinkable that many people of color could reach the top and succeed; there were so many barriers. We have removed a ton and now we have a much more racially diverse elite class. It’s that simple.

Correction: Most of American history (1600s to the 1970s or so), African Americans were banned from succeeding in certain areas, barriers is not a strong enough word, and most other groups in your contrived POC coalition have not been here long enough to be included in a "most of American history" conversation.

? You think Asian and Hispanic Americans just dropped in the US. They were standing by black Americans for the civil rights act and various other political freedoms we take for granted.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The donut holes will get squeezed more. Tuition will never drop. It might stabilize for a bit. The top schools are already offering free tuition for families less than $150k or $200k (depending on school).

A few have touted offering it free to everyone in the future--Hopkins, Princeton. Imagine coming out with 100ks of $ in loans when the kids 3 years after you go for free. What a bite in the *ss that would be.

That happened to me. My parents were low earners but not so low that I qualified for grants. Several years after graduation, my alma mater announced free tuition for families earning an income well over what my parents earned. I’m grateful for the opportunities I had but the sacrifices my parents had to make for their contribution and that I had to make for my loans were quite significant compared to the advantages fellow alumni a few years younger received. Hopefully they don’t pull the legacy rug out from under me before it can give my children a tiny boost!

Our alma mater already pulled legacy a few years back. JHU

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Legacy at IVY’s will never be removed from admissions considerations.

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Anonymous wrote:The top is actually doing great. Most diverse economic and racial elite we’ve had in history. Students are all qualified to attend, maybe their stats are different but they all have the academic potential to excel. More people than ever can afford an elite education.

At the lower level, state schools are taking control over the lost lac applicants and rising costs of college. A lot of state schools are serving a different and expanded range of students

What is "racial elite"?

Most of American history, it was unthinkable that many people of color could reach the top and succeed; there were so many barriers. We have removed a ton and now we have a much more racially diverse elite class. It’s that simple.

Correction: Most of American history (1600s to the 1970s or so), African Americans were banned from succeeding in certain areas, barriers is not a strong enough word, and most other groups in your contrived POC coalition have not been here long enough to be included in a "most of American history" conversation.

? You think Asian and Hispanic Americans just dropped in the US. They were standing by black Americans for the civil rights act and various other political freedoms we take for granted.

No, they were not. One because they were not here in large numbers, and two, African Americans were the particular targets of the discrimination that the Civil rights movement addressed.

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Anonymous wrote:The top is actually doing great. Most diverse economic and racial elite we’ve had in history. Students are all qualified to attend, maybe their stats are different but they all have the academic potential to excel. More people than ever can afford an elite education.

At the lower level, state schools are taking control over the lost lac applicants and rising costs of college. A lot of state schools are serving a different and expanded range of students

What is "racial elite"?

Most of American history, it was unthinkable that many people of color could reach the top and succeed; there were so many barriers. We have removed a ton and now we have a much more racially diverse elite class. It’s that simple.

Correction: Most of American history (1600s to the 1970s or so), African Americans were banned from succeeding in certain areas, barriers is not a strong enough word, and most other groups in your contrived POC coalition have not been here long enough to be included in a "most of American history" conversation.

? You think Asian and Hispanic Americans just dropped in the US. They were standing by black Americans for the civil rights act and various other political freedoms we take for granted.

No, they were not. One because they were not here in large numbers, and two, African Americans were the particular targets of the discrimination that the Civil rights movement addressed.

Af, republicans really DID hemorrhage our public education system. But you know what? Keep believing that obvious lie! Being ignorant has gotten you this far.

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Anonymous wrote:The top is actually doing great. Most diverse economic and racial elite we’ve had in history. Students are all qualified to attend, maybe their stats are different but they all have the academic potential to excel. More people than ever can afford an elite education.

At the lower level, state schools are taking control over the lost lac applicants and rising costs of college. A lot of state schools are serving a different and expanded range of students

What is "racial elite"?

Most of American history, it was unthinkable that many people of color could reach the top and succeed; there were so many barriers. We have removed a ton and now we have a much more racially diverse elite class. It’s that simple.

Correction: Most of American history (1600s to the 1970s or so), African Americans were banned from succeeding in certain areas, barriers is not a strong enough word, and most other groups in your contrived POC coalition have not been here long enough to be included in a "most of American history" conversation.

? You think Asian and Hispanic Americans just dropped in the US. They were standing by black Americans for the civil rights act and various other political freedoms we take for granted.

No, they were not. One because they were not here in large numbers, and two, African Americans were the particular targets of the discrimination that the Civil rights movement addressed.

Af, republicans really DID hemorrhage our public education system. But you know what? Keep believing that obvious lie! Being ignorant has gotten you this far.

The Civil Rights movement was not about immigrants. It was about a set of people who were foundational to the development of the country artificially being treated as less than human, by law, just because they were former slaves.

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Anonymous wrote:The top is actually doing great. Most diverse economic and racial elite we’ve had in history. Students are all qualified to attend, maybe their stats are different but they all have the academic potential to excel. More people than ever can afford an elite education.

At the lower level, state schools are taking control over the lost lac applicants and rising costs of college. A lot of state schools are serving a different and expanded range of students

What is "racial elite"?

Most of American history, it was unthinkable that many people of color could reach the top and succeed; there were so many barriers. We have removed a ton and now we have a much more racially diverse elite class. It’s that simple.

Correction: Most of American history (1600s to the 1970s or so), African Americans were banned from succeeding in certain areas, barriers is not a strong enough word, and most other groups in your contrived POC coalition have not been here long enough to be included in a "most of American history" conversation.

? You think Asian and Hispanic Americans just dropped in the US. They were standing by black Americans for the civil rights act and various other political freedoms we take for granted.

No, they were not. One because they were not here in large numbers, and two, African Americans were the particular targets of the discrimination that the Civil rights movement addressed.

Af, republicans really DID hemorrhage our public education system. But you know what? Keep believing that obvious lie! Being ignorant has gotten you this far.

The Civil Rights movement was not about immigrants. It was about a set of people who were foundational to the development of the country artificially being treated as less than human, by law, just because they were former slaves.

Yeah yeah, Amy wax. I don’t think you know half the impact of the Civil Rights act as you think you do. Do you seriously believe there were Hispanic and Asian people who sidestepped black people? For a bunch of progressives, some of you have a craterous tumor where your brains should be.

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Following the linked article through to the WICHE report I eventually found this: https://www.wiche.edu/resources/report-u-s-high-school-graduates-will-peak-next-year-then-most-states-will-see-steady-declines-through-2041/#:~:text=Eight%20states%20will%20see%20significant,decline%20in%20high%20school%20graduates.

Interesting section here suggests (at least to me) that several state public universities will increasingly become receiving jurisdictions for college students (and DC will become a sending jurisdiction). I wouldn’t be too mad to send a child to a state university in California, Michigan, New York, or Illinois.

Regional variation. The distribution of the decline in high school graduates will vary across states. Compared to the last year of reported data in 2023, most U.S. states (38) will see losses in the number of high school graduates through 2041. Eight states will see significant enrollment declines of more than 20% and five of the nation’s largest states by population — California (-29%), Illinois (-32%), Michigan (-20%), New York (-27%), and Pennsylvania (-17%) — will account for three-quarters (75%) of the decline in high school graduates. Meanwhile, nine of 17 states in the South will see gains or no change, and gains in some of those states will be significant, such as Washington, D.C. (+31%), Tennessee (+15%), South Carolina (+14%), and Florida (+12%).

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The top is actually doing great. Most diverse economic and racial elite we’ve had in history. Students are all qualified to attend, maybe their stats are different but they all have the academic potential to excel. More people than ever can afford an elite education.

At the lower level, state schools are taking control over the lost lac applicants and rising costs of college. A lot of state schools are serving a different and expanded range of students

What is "racial elite"?

Most of American history, it was unthinkable that many people of color could reach the top and succeed; there were so many barriers. We have removed a ton and now we have a much more racially diverse elite class. It’s that simple.

Correction: Most of American history (1600s to the 1970s or so), African Americans were banned from succeeding in certain areas, barriers is not a strong enough word, and most other groups in your contrived POC coalition have not been here long enough to be included in a "most of American history" conversation.

? You think Asian and Hispanic Americans just dropped in the US. They were standing by black Americans for the civil rights act and various other political freedoms we take for granted.

No, they were not. One because they were not here in large numbers, and two, African Americans were the particular targets of the discrimination that the Civil rights movement addressed.

Af, republicans really DID hemorrhage our public education system. But you know what? Keep believing that obvious lie! Being ignorant has gotten you this far.

The Civil Rights movement was not about immigrants. It was about a set of people who were foundational to the development of the country artificially being treated as less than human, by law, just because they were former slaves.

Yeah yeah, Amy wax. I don’t think you know half the impact of the Civil Rights act as you think you do. Do you seriously believe there were Hispanic and Asian people who sidestepped black people? For a bunch of progressives, some of you have a craterous tumor where your brains should be.

What does "sidestepped" mean in this context? Honest question I don't known the purpose of the idiom in your sentence.

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We had final cost of attendance listed at $13k, $25k, $33k, and $45k.

It’s possible to attend college for not much money. Many CCs are free.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:The top is actually doing great. Most diverse economic and racial elite we’ve had in history. Students are all qualified to attend, maybe their stats are different but they all have the academic potential to excel. More people than ever can afford an elite education.

At the lower level, state schools are taking control over the lost lac applicants and rising costs of college. A lot of state schools are serving a different and expanded range of students

What is "racial elite"?

Most of American history, it was unthinkable that many people of color could reach the top and succeed; there were so many barriers. We have removed a ton and now we have a much more racially diverse elite class. It’s that simple.

Correction: Most of American history (1600s to the 1970s or so), African Americans were banned from succeeding in certain areas, barriers is not a strong enough word, and most other groups in your contrived POC coalition have not been here long enough to be included in a "most of American history" conversation.

? You think Asian and Hispanic Americans just dropped in the US. They were standing by black Americans for the civil rights act and various other political freedoms we take for granted.

No, they were not. One because they were not here in large numbers, and two, African Americans were the particular targets of the discrimination that the Civil rights movement addressed.

+1

The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 was passed AFTER the Civil Rights Act of 1964. African Americans via fighting for equal rights paved the way for many more Asians and Hispanics to come to the U.S. and spurred other movements.

Better recognize.

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Anonymous wrote:The top is actually doing great. Most diverse economic and racial elite we’ve had in history. Students are all qualified to attend, maybe their stats are different but they all have the academic potential to excel. More people than ever can afford an elite education.

At the lower level, state schools are taking control over the lost lac applicants and rising costs of college. A lot of state schools are serving a different and expanded range of students

What is "racial elite"?

Most of American history, it was unthinkable that many people of color could reach the top and succeed; there were so many barriers. We have removed a ton and now we have a much more racially diverse elite class. It’s that simple.

Correction: Most of American history (1600s to the 1970s or so), African Americans were banned from succeeding in certain areas, barriers is not a strong enough word, and most other groups in your contrived POC coalition have not been here long enough to be included in a "most of American history" conversation.

? You think Asian and Hispanic Americans just dropped in the US. They were standing by black Americans for the civil rights act and various other political freedoms we take for granted.

No, they were not. One because they were not here in large numbers, and two, African Americans were the particular targets of the discrimination that the Civil rights movement addressed.

+1

The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 was passed AFTER the Civil Rights Act of 1964. African Americans via fighting for equal rights paved the way for many more Asians and Hispanics to come to the U.S. and spurred other movements.

Better recognize.

I don’t think the person you agreed with agrees with you at all. They seem to outright deny that fact.

[Anonymous]

I think this might be a good thing. If a college is outside the t75 I question why it exists/why people attend. Even Penn State level places are sort of questionable... Bottom line is no one will be missing much.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this might be a good thing. If a college is outside the t75 I question why it exists/why people attend. Even Penn State level places are sort of questionable... Bottom line is no one will be missing much.

Why is the number 75 special to you?

There are hundreds of colleges below t75 where people train to become nurses, for example.

Now, a liberal arts degree at a low ranked school, you better be rich before you go.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this might be a good thing. If a college is outside the t75 I question why it exists/why people attend. Even Penn State level places are sort of questionable... Bottom line is no one will be missing much.

Why is the number 75 special to you?

There are hundreds of colleges below t75 where people train to become nurses, for example.

Now, a liberal arts degree at a low ranked school, you better be rich before you go.

I picked 75 to be inclusive of Tulane (no personal connection) and to draw the line near Penn State level places.