demographics chipping away at college industrial complex

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Anonymous wrote:I think this might be a good thing. If a college is outside the t75 I question why it exists/why people attend. Even Penn State level places are sort of questionable... Bottom line is no one will be missing much.

Why is the number 75 special to you?

There are hundreds of colleges below t75 where people train to become nurses, for example.

Now, a liberal arts degree at a low ranked school, you better be rich before you go.

I picked 75 to be inclusive of Tulane (no personal connection) and to draw the line near Penn State level places.

Tulane is #63 in USNWR, not 75.

Right! So by picking t75 instead of, say, t50 or t60, the PP was including Tulane. What do you not get?

People are dense.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this might be a good thing. If a college is outside the t75 I question why it exists/why people attend. Even Penn State level places are sort of questionable... Bottom line is no one will be missing much.

Penn State does a billion dollars a year in research. It is not questionable that it will exist and people will attend. Penn State makes considerable more contributions to academia than Tulane. No slight on Tulane intended, but they just aren’t comparable.

No connection to Tulane, no connection to Penn State.

Tulane has higher standards than Penn State in terms of academics/intelligence. Tulane's reputation as a selective university is far superior to Penn State's. It's the difference between Rutgers and Wake Forest. If you want a massive state school that doesn't have strict standards, go to Rutgers. If you want a smaller more selective university, go to Wake.

Penn State is a global university and ranks in the top 100 in both the QS and THE rankings. Tulane is in to 600s for QS and 400s for THE. Penn State has a better reputation globally.

The same rankings that rank Dartmouth, and Vanderbilt below Arizona State? No one gives a flying f--- about the global rankings.

The global rankings are about research, something Dartmouth is trash at and depriving its students from taking advantage of.

Undergraduate research is meaningless.

How are you going to do graduate level research if the school doesn’t exist? The PP questioned why Penn State-level schools and those outside the t75 USNWR even exists. That wipes out many AAU schools and most state flagships.

“If a college is outside the t75 I question why it exists/why people attend. Even Penn State level places are sort of questionable... Bottom line is no one will be missing much.”

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Anonymous wrote:The top is actually doing great. Most diverse economic and racial elite we’ve had in history. Students are all qualified to attend, maybe their stats are different but they all have the academic potential to excel. More people than ever can afford an elite education.

At the lower level, state schools are taking control over the lost lac applicants and rising costs of college. A lot of state schools are serving a different and expanded range of students

What is "racial elite"?

Most of American history, it was unthinkable that many people of color could reach the top and succeed; there were so many barriers. We have removed a ton and now we have a much more racially diverse elite class. It’s that simple.

Correction: Most of American history (1600s to the 1970s or so), African Americans were banned from succeeding in certain areas, barriers is not a strong enough word, and most other groups in your contrived POC coalition have not been here long enough to be included in a "most of American history" conversation.

Spanish settlers here well before Jamestown. Indigenous peoples here way before that. The more you know

Most people would agree that American history didn't exist when the indigenous peoples came here.
Because America, as a concept, didn't exist.

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College industrial complex? Boy, give me a break. The people here need a day away from privilege.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this might be a good thing. If a college is outside the t75 I question why it exists/why people attend. Even Penn State level places are sort of questionable... Bottom line is no one will be missing much.

Penn State does a billion dollars a year in research. It is not questionable that it will exist and people will attend. Penn State makes considerable more contributions to academia than Tulane. No slight on Tulane intended, but they just aren’t comparable.

No connection to Tulane, no connection to Penn State.

Tulane has higher standards than Penn State in terms of academics/intelligence. Tulane's reputation as a selective university is far superior to Penn State's. It's the difference between Rutgers and Wake Forest. If you want a massive state school that doesn't have strict standards, go to Rutgers. If you want a smaller more selective university, go to Wake.

Penn State is a global university and ranks in the top 100 in both the QS and THE rankings. Tulane is in to 600s for QS and 400s for THE. Penn State has a better reputation globally.

The same rankings that rank Dartmouth, and Vanderbilt below Arizona State? No one gives a flying f--- about the global rankings.

The global rankings are about research, something Dartmouth is trash at and depriving its students from taking advantage of.

Undergraduate research is meaningless.

That’s a hilariously dumb statement.

It’s spot on at an R1. Undergraduates do not do meaningful research.

My preschooler /kindergardner did a lot of research on deep sea animals and bought/borrowed every book on the topic as well as visited the sea life exhibit at AMNH many times. He wrote a few sentences about them.
However, I suspect that his research wasn't ground breaking in the same way that most undergraduate research isn't ground breaking. It's cute to show that deep level of invested interest though.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this might be a good thing. If a college is outside the t75 I question why it exists/why people attend. Even Penn State level places are sort of questionable... Bottom line is no one will be missing much.

Penn State does a billion dollars a year in research. It is not questionable that it will exist and people will attend. Penn State makes considerable more contributions to academia than Tulane. No slight on Tulane intended, but they just aren’t comparable.

No connection to Tulane, no connection to Penn State.

Tulane has higher standards than Penn State in terms of academics/intelligence. Tulane's reputation as a selective university is far superior to Penn State's. It's the difference between Rutgers and Wake Forest. If you want a massive state school that doesn't have strict standards, go to Rutgers. If you want a smaller more selective university, go to Wake.

Penn State is a global university and ranks in the top 100 in both the QS and THE rankings. Tulane is in to 600s for QS and 400s for THE. Penn State has a better reputation globally.

The same rankings that rank Dartmouth, and Vanderbilt below Arizona State? No one gives a flying f--- about the global rankings.

The global rankings are about research, something Dartmouth is trash at and depriving its students from taking advantage of.

Undergraduate research is meaningless.

That’s a hilariously dumb statement.

It’s spot on at an R1. Undergraduates do not do meaningful research.

PP thinks half the R1 research universities shouldn’t exist.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this might be a good thing. If a college is outside the t75 I question why it exists/why people attend. Even Penn State level places are sort of questionable... Bottom line is no one will be missing much.

Penn State does a billion dollars a year in research. It is not questionable that it will exist and people will attend. Penn State makes considerable more contributions to academia than Tulane. No slight on Tulane intended, but they just aren’t comparable.

No connection to Tulane, no connection to Penn State.

Tulane has higher standards than Penn State in terms of academics/intelligence. Tulane's reputation as a selective university is far superior to Penn State's. It's the difference between Rutgers and Wake Forest. If you want a massive state school that doesn't have strict standards, go to Rutgers. If you want a smaller more selective university, go to Wake.

Penn State is a global university and ranks in the top 100 in both the QS and THE rankings. Tulane is in to 600s for QS and 400s for THE. Penn State has a better reputation globally.

The same rankings that rank Dartmouth, and Vanderbilt below Arizona State? No one gives a flying f--- about the global rankings.

The global rankings are about research, something Dartmouth is trash at and depriving its students from taking advantage of.

Undergraduate research is meaningless.

That’s a hilariously dumb statement.

It’s spot on at an R1. Undergraduates do not do meaningful research.

PP thinks half the R1 research universities shouldn’t exist.

Not the PP.
I also think half (probably more than half) of R1 universities shouldn't exist. Same with R2 and below.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this might be a good thing. If a college is outside the t75 I question why it exists/why people attend. Even Penn State level places are sort of questionable... Bottom line is no one will be missing much.

Penn State does a billion dollars a year in research. It is not questionable that it will exist and people will attend. Penn State makes considerable more contributions to academia than Tulane. No slight on Tulane intended, but they just aren’t comparable.

No connection to Tulane, no connection to Penn State.

Tulane has higher standards than Penn State in terms of academics/intelligence. Tulane's reputation as a selective university is far superior to Penn State's. It's the difference between Rutgers and Wake Forest. If you want a massive state school that doesn't have strict standards, go to Rutgers. If you want a smaller more selective university, go to Wake.

Penn State is a global university and ranks in the top 100 in both the QS and THE rankings. Tulane is in to 600s for QS and 400s for THE. Penn State has a better reputation globally.

The same rankings that rank Dartmouth, and Vanderbilt below Arizona State? No one gives a flying f--- about the global rankings.

The global rankings are about research, something Dartmouth is trash at and depriving its students from taking advantage of.

Undergraduate research is meaningless.

That’s a hilariously dumb statement.

It’s spot on at an R1. Undergraduates do not do meaningful research.

PP thinks half the R1 research universities shouldn’t exist.

Not the PP.
I also think half (probably more than half) of R1 universities shouldn't exist. Same with R2 and below.

Why? There isn't that many R1 universities.

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Anonymous wrote:The top is actually doing great. Most diverse economic and racial elite we’ve had in history. Students are all qualified to attend, maybe their stats are different but they all have the academic potential to excel. More people than ever can afford an elite education.

At the lower level, state schools are taking control over the lost lac applicants and rising costs of college. A lot of state schools are serving a different and expanded range of students

What is "racial elite"?

Most of American history, it was unthinkable that many people of color could reach the top and succeed; there were so many barriers. We have removed a ton and now we have a much more racially diverse elite class. It’s that simple.

Correction: Most of American history (1600s to the 1970s or so), African Americans were banned from succeeding in certain areas, barriers is not a strong enough word, and most other groups in your contrived POC coalition have not been here long enough to be included in a "most of American history" conversation.

? You think Asian and Hispanic Americans just dropped in the US. They were standing by black Americans for the civil rights act and various other political freedoms we take for granted.

No, they were not. One because they were not here in large numbers, and two, African Americans were the particular targets of the discrimination that the Civil rights movement addressed.

+1

The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 was passed AFTER the Civil Rights Act of 1964. African Americans via fighting for equal rights paved the way for many more Asians and Hispanics to come to the U.S. and spurred other movements.

Better recognize.

It's pretty well recognized by historians that the immigration naturalization act was the result of the cold war.
There is a pretty good argument that the civil rights act was also the result of the cold war.

The racism was making america look bad on the world stage.

NP Can you provide links for the above? I've never heard of that logic.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this might be a good thing. If a college is outside the t75 I question why it exists/why people attend. Even Penn State level places are sort of questionable... Bottom line is no one will be missing much.

Penn State does a billion dollars a year in research. It is not questionable that it will exist and people will attend. Penn State makes considerable more contributions to academia than Tulane. No slight on Tulane intended, but they just aren’t comparable.

No connection to Tulane, no connection to Penn State.

Tulane has higher standards than Penn State in terms of academics/intelligence. Tulane's reputation as a selective university is far superior to Penn State's. It's the difference between Rutgers and Wake Forest. If you want a massive state school that doesn't have strict standards, go to Rutgers. If you want a smaller more selective university, go to Wake.

Penn State is a global university and ranks in the top 100 in both the QS and THE rankings. Tulane is in to 600s for QS and 400s for THE. Penn State has a better reputation globally.

The same rankings that rank Dartmouth, and Vanderbilt below Arizona State? No one gives a flying f--- about the global rankings.

The global rankings are about research, something Dartmouth is trash at and depriving its students from taking advantage of.

Undergraduate research is meaningless.

That’s a hilariously dumb statement.

It’s spot on at an R1. Undergraduates do not do meaningful research.

PP thinks half the R1 research universities shouldn’t exist.

Not the PP.
I also think half (probably more than half) of R1 universities shouldn't exist. Same with R2 and below.

And just what pray tell are your thoughts on what colleges should look like? Should those 75 become huge research industrial complexes concentrated in a few states?

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Anonymous wrote:I think this might be a good thing. If a college is outside the t75 I question why it exists/why people attend. Even Penn State level places are sort of questionable... Bottom line is no one will be missing much.

Penn State does a billion dollars a year in research. It is not questionable that it will exist and people will attend. Penn State makes considerable more contributions to academia than Tulane. No slight on Tulane intended, but they just aren’t comparable.

No connection to Tulane, no connection to Penn State.

Tulane has higher standards than Penn State in terms of academics/intelligence. Tulane's reputation as a selective university is far superior to Penn State's. It's the difference between Rutgers and Wake Forest. If you want a massive state school that doesn't have strict standards, go to Rutgers. If you want a smaller more selective university, go to Wake.

Penn State is a global university and ranks in the top 100 in both the QS and THE rankings. Tulane is in to 600s for QS and 400s for THE. Penn State has a better reputation globally.

The same rankings that rank Dartmouth, and Vanderbilt below Arizona State? No one gives a flying f--- about the global rankings.

The global rankings are about research, something Dartmouth is trash at and depriving its students from taking advantage of.

Undergraduate research is meaningless.

That’s a hilariously dumb statement.

It’s spot on at an R1. Undergraduates do not do meaningful research.

PP thinks half the R1 research universities shouldn’t exist.

Not the PP.
I also think half (probably more than half) of R1 universities shouldn't exist. Same with R2 and below.

Why? There aren't that many R1 universities.

ASU, Baylor, Auburn, Clemson, Colorado State, Drexel, Florida International, George Mason, Georgia State, IU Bloomington, Iowa State, Kansas State, Kent State, LSU, MSU, Mississippi State, Montana State, NJ Institute of Tech, North Dakota State, Ohio University, Oklahoma State, Oregon State, Old Dominion, Syracuse, Temple, Texas Tech, Buffalo, Albany, Alabama, U of Arizona, U of Arkansas, UC Riverside, U of Central Florida, U of Cincinnati, Colorado Denver, U of Denver, Illinois Chicago, U of Kansas, U of Kentucky, U of Louisiana, U of Louisville, UMBC, Memphis, U of Mississippi, U of Missouri, U of Montana, U of Nebraska, Nevada Las Vegas, Nevada Reno, U of New Hampshire, U of New Mexico, U of North Texas, U of Oklahoma, U of Oregon, U of South Carolina, U of South Florida, U of Southern Mississippi, U of Tennessee, Texas Arlington, Texas El Paso, Texas San Antonio, U of Utah, Utah State, VCU, Washington Tech, Washington State, Wayne State, and West Virginia U should all be slated for dissolution.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this might be a good thing. If a college is outside the t75 I question why it exists/why people attend. Even Penn State level places are sort of questionable... Bottom line is no one will be missing much.

Penn State does a billion dollars a year in research. It is not questionable that it will exist and people will attend. Penn State makes considerable more contributions to academia than Tulane. No slight on Tulane intended, but they just aren’t comparable.

No connection to Tulane, no connection to Penn State.

Tulane has higher standards than Penn State in terms of academics/intelligence. Tulane's reputation as a selective university is far superior to Penn State's. It's the difference between Rutgers and Wake Forest. If you want a massive state school that doesn't have strict standards, go to Rutgers. If you want a smaller more selective university, go to Wake.

Penn State is a global university and ranks in the top 100 in both the QS and THE rankings. Tulane is in to 600s for QS and 400s for THE. Penn State has a better reputation globally.

The same rankings that rank Dartmouth, and Vanderbilt below Arizona State? No one gives a flying f--- about the global rankings.

The global rankings are about research, something Dartmouth is trash at and depriving its students from taking advantage of.

Undergraduate research is meaningless.

That’s a hilariously dumb statement.

It’s spot on at an R1. Undergraduates do not do meaningful research.

PP thinks half the R1 research universities shouldn’t exist.

Not the PP.
I also think half (probably more than half) of R1 universities shouldn't exist. Same with R2 and below.

And just what pray tell are your thoughts on what colleges should look like? Should those 75 become huge research industrial complexes concentrated in a few states?

Factories, hospitals, public housing. Not my problem.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this might be a good thing. If a college is outside the t75 I question why it exists/why people attend. Even Penn State level places are sort of questionable... Bottom line is no one will be missing much.

Penn State does a billion dollars a year in research. It is not questionable that it will exist and people will attend. Penn State makes considerable more contributions to academia than Tulane. No slight on Tulane intended, but they just aren’t comparable.

No connection to Tulane, no connection to Penn State.

Tulane has higher standards than Penn State in terms of academics/intelligence. Tulane's reputation as a selective university is far superior to Penn State's. It's the difference between Rutgers and Wake Forest. If you want a massive state school that doesn't have strict standards, go to Rutgers. If you want a smaller more selective university, go to Wake.

Penn State is a global university and ranks in the top 100 in both the QS and THE rankings. Tulane is in to 600s for QS and 400s for THE. Penn State has a better reputation globally.

The same rankings that rank Dartmouth, and Vanderbilt below Arizona State? No one gives a flying f--- about the global rankings.

The global rankings are about research, something Dartmouth is trash at and depriving its students from taking advantage of.

Undergraduate research is meaningless.

That’s a hilariously dumb statement.

It’s spot on at an R1. Undergraduates do not do meaningful research.

PP thinks half the R1 research universities shouldn’t exist.

Not the PP.
I also think half (probably more than half) of R1 universities shouldn't exist. Same with R2 and below.

Why? There aren't that many R1 universities.

ASU, Baylor, Auburn, Clemson, Colorado State, Drexel, Florida International, George Mason, Georgia State, IU Bloomington, Iowa State, Kansas State, Kent State, LSU, MSU, Mississippi State, Montana State, NJ Institute of Tech, North Dakota State, Ohio University, Oklahoma State, Oregon State, Old Dominion, Syracuse, Temple, Texas Tech, Buffalo, Albany, Alabama, U of Arizona, U of Arkansas, UC Riverside, U of Central Florida, U of Cincinnati, Colorado Denver, U of Denver, Illinois Chicago, U of Kansas, U of Kentucky, U of Louisiana, U of Louisville, UMBC, Memphis, U of Mississippi, U of Missouri, U of Montana, U of Nebraska, Nevada Las Vegas, Nevada Reno, U of New Hampshire, U of New Mexico, U of North Texas, U of Oklahoma, U of Oregon, U of South Carolina, U of South Florida, U of Southern Mississippi, U of Tennessee, Texas Arlington, Texas El Paso, Texas San Antonio, U of Utah, Utah State, VCU, Washington Tech, Washington State, Wayne State, and West Virginia U should all be slated for dissolution.

I would remove Syracuse from this list but otherwise agree.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this might be a good thing. If a college is outside the t75 I question why it exists/why people attend. Even Penn State level places are sort of questionable... Bottom line is no one will be missing much.

Penn State does a billion dollars a year in research. It is not questionable that it will exist and people will attend. Penn State makes considerable more contributions to academia than Tulane. No slight on Tulane intended, but they just aren’t comparable.

No connection to Tulane, no connection to Penn State.

Tulane has higher standards than Penn State in terms of academics/intelligence. Tulane's reputation as a selective university is far superior to Penn State's. It's the difference between Rutgers and Wake Forest. If you want a massive state school that doesn't have strict standards, go to Rutgers. If you want a smaller more selective university, go to Wake.

Penn State is a global university and ranks in the top 100 in both the QS and THE rankings. Tulane is in to 600s for QS and 400s for THE. Penn State has a better reputation globally.

The same rankings that rank Dartmouth, and Vanderbilt below Arizona State? No one gives a flying f--- about the global rankings.

The global rankings are about research, something Dartmouth is trash at and depriving its students from taking advantage of.

Undergraduate research is meaningless.

That’s a hilariously dumb statement.

It’s spot on at an R1. Undergraduates do not do meaningful research.

PP thinks half the R1 research universities shouldn’t exist.

Not the PP.
I also think half (probably more than half) of R1 universities shouldn't exist. Same with R2 and below.

Why? There aren't that many R1 universities.

ASU, Baylor, Auburn, Clemson, Colorado State, Drexel, Florida International, George Mason, Georgia State, IU Bloomington, Iowa State, Kansas State, Kent State, LSU, MSU, Mississippi State, Montana State, NJ Institute of Tech, North Dakota State, Ohio University, Oklahoma State, Oregon State, Old Dominion, Syracuse, Temple, Texas Tech, Buffalo, Albany, Alabama, U of Arizona, U of Arkansas, UC Riverside, U of Central Florida, U of Cincinnati, Colorado Denver, U of Denver, Illinois Chicago, U of Kansas, U of Kentucky, U of Louisiana, U of Louisville, UMBC, Memphis, U of Mississippi, U of Missouri, U of Montana, U of Nebraska, Nevada Las Vegas, Nevada Reno, U of New Hampshire, U of New Mexico, U of North Texas, U of Oklahoma, U of Oregon, U of South Carolina, U of South Florida, U of Southern Mississippi, U of Tennessee, Texas Arlington, Texas El Paso, Texas San Antonio, U of Utah, Utah State, VCU, Washington Tech, Washington State, Wayne State, and West Virginia U should all be slated for dissolution.

I would remove Syracuse from this list but otherwise agree.

This is why you don't let monkeys near keyboards. There are a few schools in your elimination list who are among the world leaders in certain fields.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this might be a good thing. If a college is outside the t75 I question why it exists/why people attend. Even Penn State level places are sort of questionable... Bottom line is no one will be missing much.

Penn State does a billion dollars a year in research. It is not questionable that it will exist and people will attend. Penn State makes considerable more contributions to academia than Tulane. No slight on Tulane intended, but they just aren’t comparable.

No connection to Tulane, no connection to Penn State.

Tulane has higher standards than Penn State in terms of academics/intelligence. Tulane's reputation as a selective university is far superior to Penn State's. It's the difference between Rutgers and Wake Forest. If you want a massive state school that doesn't have strict standards, go to Rutgers. If you want a smaller more selective university, go to Wake.

Penn State is a global university and ranks in the top 100 in both the QS and THE rankings. Tulane is in to 600s for QS and 400s for THE. Penn State has a better reputation globally.

The same rankings that rank Dartmouth, and Vanderbilt below Arizona State? No one gives a flying f--- about the global rankings.

The global rankings are about research, something Dartmouth is trash at and depriving its students from taking advantage of.

Undergraduate research is meaningless.

That’s a hilariously dumb statement.

It’s spot on at an R1. Undergraduates do not do meaningful research.

PP thinks half the R1 research universities shouldn’t exist.

Not the PP.
I also think half (probably more than half) of R1 universities shouldn't exist. Same with R2 and below.

Why? There aren't that many R1 universities.

ASU, Baylor, Auburn, Clemson, Colorado State, Drexel, Florida International, George Mason, Georgia State, IU Bloomington, Iowa State, Kansas State, Kent State, LSU, MSU, Mississippi State, Montana State, NJ Institute of Tech, North Dakota State, Ohio University, Oklahoma State, Oregon State, Old Dominion, Syracuse, Temple, Texas Tech, Buffalo, Albany, Alabama, U of Arizona, U of Arkansas, UC Riverside, U of Central Florida, U of Cincinnati, Colorado Denver, U of Denver, Illinois Chicago, U of Kansas, U of Kentucky, U of Louisiana, U of Louisville, UMBC, Memphis, U of Mississippi, U of Missouri, U of Montana, U of Nebraska, Nevada Las Vegas, Nevada Reno, U of New Hampshire, U of New Mexico, U of North Texas, U of Oklahoma, U of Oregon, U of South Carolina, U of South Florida, U of Southern Mississippi, U of Tennessee, Texas Arlington, Texas El Paso, Texas San Antonio, U of Utah, Utah State, VCU, Washington Tech, Washington State, Wayne State, and West Virginia U should all be slated for dissolution.

I would remove Syracuse from this list but otherwise agree.

This is why you don't let monkeys near keyboards. There are a few schools in your elimination list who are among the world leaders in certain fields.

How dare you. The monkey here is the graduate of an open access "university" that shouldn't even exist (you).