Are women challenging to date?

[Anonymous]

If you are part of a society than you have to contribute to maintain it. You house might never go up in flames so why support firefighters? You may never be robbed so why support police? You sound very selfish...me, me me! We all need each other unless you move remotely and don't rely on anyone.

Your post is senseless.

First, having a police force/firefighting force benefits me directly. They decrease the expense I would have to protect myself without them (e.g., having a firefighting force means we individually do not have to hire a private firefighting force (as was the case in the past.))

Next, you completely missed the arrogance of the PP's post (namely, now women do not need men to have kids, build families, etc.) However, if men are not parents, why would men pay for schools, healthcare for women who cannot afford it, etc.?

Go back and read the PP's post on this matter. The theme was that men better step up their game (e.g., women do not need them as they did in the past because women can be single mothers, earn their incomes, etc.). The post was stupid, and even then, you did not understand its implications.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Women are complicated. Men aren’t. It’s really that simple. Dating complexity hits it’s peak when women are 25-32 because they are in getting married mode and guys are in will she sleep with me mode. Somehow at some point, usually under stress, the guy folds like a cheap suit and hopes to live happily ever after but that usually doesn’t happen.

Men aren’t uncomplicated, they lack self awareness

[Anonymous]

Actually, in Scandinavian countries where this infrastructure is provided by the government, women are in fact not complaining and are reporting the highest levels of happiness in the world. The fathers are true equals: take parental leave, etc. Marriage percentage is very low, as women prefer to stay unmarried to keep the benefits and the freedom to move on from a slacker man

Scandinavian countries can provide these services because their effective tax rates are vastly greater than those in the US. Men can also move on from slacker women without having to pay alimony, child support, etc. since the government provides basic services such as health care, housing, etc. This is a stronger argument since everyone pays the same amount of tax so their is less need for income balancing.

Women who are empty nesters in their 40-50s are incredibly self-sufficient. You take out the childcare of equation - they end up better positioned for retirement vs men. Men drink, engage in risky sexual behaviors, gamble, waste money on women etc. Women are driving charities, traveling, investing in self care etc.

Do you have any proof of this statement? For example, you can look on this board and find plenty of evidence that women drink, gamble, waste money, and engage in risky behaviors. They may do so to a smaller degree because testosterone tends to increase aggression, and aggression tends to lead to riskier behaviors. However, for items like retirement, women are often better positioned because they outlive their spouses who earned (at least in part) their retirement savings.

You can only be successful with dating women like that by being a truly equal, caring, communicative partner. Because in everything else she'll match. Just so not to be called a gold digger or a dinner whore

Women like what? For my generation (Boomers), men outearn women, and these women do not match the resources men their age have. Both men and women should be equal, caring, communicative partners. However, threatening men (which is what the post is indirectly doing) does not help anyone make a better life.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t necessarily think they are challenging. But I what I do believe is that women have accomplished so much on their own and are independent these days that very few men can enhance their lives. If they want kids? They don’t need a man for that. If they want us?plenty of horny men ready to answer the call. They don’t need money from men. They have their own houses/apartments/investments etc.

Men need to account for this new reality.

This is a complete delusion. How many women under 35 make enough money on their own to get pregnant, pay for all childcare expenses, save for retirement, buy a nice house??? Top 1% of women yes. 99% of women no.

Women don’t need men to have kids, they need men to pay for the kids.

If they’re child free, different story. But child free isn’t a scalable lifestyle unless you want civilization to collapse.

Well, according to statistics, women under 30 were making more money than men in DMV area since 2019

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/verify-yes-young-women-are-making-more-than-young-men-in-22-metros-including-dc-and-nyc-wage-george-washington-university-georgetown-pew-research-cent/65-8a4675cd-96e4-4f86-b380-7d0f2e9990f0

So for sure women of child bearing age are better positioned than men to provide for the kids

Women making more than men makes no difference on the ability to raise children if most single incomes aren’t enough to provide for a family. If women under 30 are making 50k and men under 30 are making 47k, neither are going to be supporting a family on their own without struggling.

But the reality is that women can and do have kids and start families without men. And women who can’t afford to do that aren’t going to marry a dud who is looking for an easy wife, just so she can have kids. Women who haven’t had kids yet are much more aware of the realities of being a wife and mom than women did before.

So some women might still need another income to have kids, but being a mom isn’t nearly as desirable as it used to be.

[Anonymous]

As long as they are not demanding and high maintenance women are not challenging to date. Yes, at a certain age they may be looking for more in a relationship but that’s understandable and you just need to deal with it. Now, if you are dating a divorced woman in her late 30s with three kids that will be challenging on its own but again understandable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I don’t necessarily think they are challenging. But I what I do believe is that women have accomplished so much on their own and are independent these days that very few men can enhance their lives. If they want kids? They don’t need a man for that. If they want us?plenty of horny men ready to answer the call. They don’t need money from men. They have their own houses/apartments/investments etc.

Men need to account for this new reality.

I am a man, and I think so as well. Specifically, if I do not have kids, why should I support (indirectly) the women who do via spending on infrastructure that is useless to me? You should take care of all of their needs since you do not need a man.

If the new reality is that if you do not need man, live up to it.

Do not complain about work/life balance issues (the impact of having kids is completely on you), school funding, healthcare, etc. It would be great if women did not need money from men since there would be little reason for much state and local spending. For next war, let them draft you so you can fight to protect them.

Do not respond with BS about "spending on ____ (e.g., schools, healthcare for single mothers, etc.) helps the next generation, which helps us all." I can more than support myself now and after I retire. Do you want to be independent? Be independent, as long you never look to me to help you maintain it.

I don't quite understand this. Didn't you have parents growing up? How does a man come to these conclusions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Actually, in Scandinavian countries where this infrastructure is provided by the government, women are in fact not complaining and are reporting the highest levels of happiness in the world. The fathers are true equals: take parental leave, etc. Marriage percentage is very low, as women prefer to stay unmarried to keep the benefits and the freedom to move on from a slacker man

Scandinavian countries can provide these services because their effective tax rates are vastly greater than those in the US. Men can also move on from slacker women without having to pay alimony, child support, etc. since the government provides basic services such as health care, housing, etc. This is a stronger argument since everyone pays the same amount of tax so their is less need for income balancing.

Women who are empty nesters in their 40-50s are incredibly self-sufficient. You take out the childcare of equation - they end up better positioned for retirement vs men. Men drink, engage in risky sexual behaviors, gamble, waste money on women etc. Women are driving charities, traveling, investing in self care etc.

Do you have any proof of this statement? For example, you can look on this board and find plenty of evidence that women drink, gamble, waste money, and engage in risky behaviors. They may do so to a smaller degree because testosterone tends to increase aggression, and aggression tends to lead to riskier behaviors. However, for items like retirement, women are often better positioned because they outlive their spouses who earned (at least in part) their retirement savings.

You can only be successful with dating women like that by being a truly equal, caring, communicative partner. Because in everything else she'll match. Just so not to be called a gold digger or a dinner whore

Women like what? For my generation (Boomers), men outearn women, and these women do not match the resources men their age have. Both men and women should be equal, caring, communicative partners. However, threatening men (which is what the post is indirectly doing) does not help anyone make a better life.

That’s for your generation- Boomers. The income disparity is disappearing for millennials and not as high for gen X. Male vs female inclination to risky behaviors is in prisoners numbers: over 1.1 million men to 80,000 women. Huge, huge differences between genders. Men are inventors and smart men drive progress. But they also destruct, whereby women are caregivers in the society.
If women are paying same tax rates as men and, as we see in younger generations, earn more, then of course the government should be more focused on providing women and children more public services.
You take all these simple facts as threat to men. Perhaps it’s time for men to look in the mirror and see why those popular attractive and good earning women they want to date are abandoning them after a few dates. Why only “broke and cute” female types are available to them to f..k with.

[Anonymous]

That’s for your generation- Boomers. The income disparity is disappearing for millennials and not as high for gen X. Male vs female inclination to risky behaviors is in prisoners numbers: over 1.1 million men to 80,000 women. Huge, huge differences between genders. Men are inventors and smart men drive progress. But they also destruct, whereby women are caregivers in the society.
If women are paying same tax rates as men and, as we see in younger generations, earn more, then of course the government should be more focused on providing women and children more public services.
You take all these simple facts as threat to men. Perhaps it’s time for men to look in the mirror and see why those popular attractive and good earning women they want to date are abandoning them after a few dates. Why only “broke and cute” female types are available to them to f..k with.

Try to keep unsupported crap out of your posts. Wait. That is almost all of your posts.

You have not provided any citations, links, etc., to support anything you posted. Prove "popular attractive and good earning women they want to date are abandoning them after a few dates" and "only “broke and cute” female types are available to them to f..k with."

You are blowing words out of your @$$ and putting them on DCUM.

Start over. Cite your work.

[Anonymous]

don't quite understand this. Didn't you have parents growing up? How does a man come to these conclusions?

What are you talking about? What conclusions are you addressing?

Read, think, and then write.

[Anonymous]

Dear men,

There's lots of fish in the sea. Many without too many accoutrements.

Signed,
Not-interested-in-your-bs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

That’s for your generation- Boomers. The income disparity is disappearing for millennials and not as high for gen X. Male vs female inclination to risky behaviors is in prisoners numbers: over 1.1 million men to 80,000 women. Huge, huge differences between genders. Men are inventors and smart men drive progress. But they also destruct, whereby women are caregivers in the society.
If women are paying same tax rates as men and, as we see in younger generations, earn more, then of course the government should be more focused on providing women and children more public services.
You take all these simple facts as threat to men. Perhaps it’s time for men to look in the mirror and see why those popular attractive and good earning women they want to date are abandoning them after a few dates. Why only “broke and cute” female types are available to them to f..k with.

Try to keep unsupported crap out of your posts. Wait. That is almost all of your posts.

You have not provided any citations, links, etc., to support anything you posted. Prove "popular attractive and good earning women they want to date are abandoning them after a few dates" and "only “broke and cute” female types are available to them to f..k with."

You are blowing words out of your @$$ and putting them on DCUM.

Start over. Cite your work.

Inmate gender distribution: https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_gender.jsp

Young women begin out earning men in large metropolitan areas: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/03/28/young-women-are-out-earning-young-men-in-several-u-s-cities/#:~:text=The%20New%20York%2C%20Washington%2C%20D.C.,time%2C%20year%2Dround%20workers.

And a typical DCUM incel complaining at not getting women who are BOTH attractive and wealthy: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1186239.page

Successful men are more attracted to successful women: indeed, it is very pleasing for a successful man to know that his woman is an equal, and chose him based on personal qualities like leadership, integrity (which helps in business), as well as his sexual attraction: https://intersectionsmatch.com/successful-men-are-attracted-to-successful-women-did-i-read-correctly/#:~:text=As%20many%20as%2092%25%20of,are%20successful%20in%20their%20careers.