My 68 year old, retired dad had to call security thrice and was shoved while subbing

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My DD said most of the subs she has had in her h.s. are older, retired folks. Maybe some additional training and support is needed. Sorry about what happened to your dad.

What kind of training do you think would help, jujitsu?

How about how to manage a classroom.

How to teach, how to talk to teens, how to not be a d!ck… you probably can’t learn that.

How about paying taxes to train and compensate people to raise your children for you?

How about you use my tax $$ to hire teachers to teach and have teachers sub.

I dint need some old man with a god complex teaching kids in our community.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My 68 year old retired dad was shoved while subbing

My sister and I are both teachers in Title I schools in an (ostensibly) affluent district. Our experiences as teachers are full of violence and difficulty. Nevertheless, my dad (a retired prosecutor) wanted to be a substitute.

His first 3 weeks were wonderful. He chose his schools strategically. Avoided some of our harsher selections. He loved it. He shared stories of making connections, returning to the same classes, making an effort to build relationships with the most disengaged students. He was really proud of his work.
On Friday, while subbing at one of our most successful middle schools, he had to call security three times and was shoved by a student.

If a 68 year old man who is (essentially) volunteering his time to support in schools that are (allegedly) safe and exceeding standards can still be assaulted WHAT HOPE IS THERE?

When will this end? How can we end this? This is absolute insanity, anarchy, and does not bode well for future societal norms.

Holy overreaction Batman. Pop a Xanax. Jesus.

[Anonymous]

Who shoved him? Tell us about the kids who ruined his experience and we’ll have a discussion. If you’re not willing to be specific don’t expect MCPS to change.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My DD said most of the subs she has had in her h.s. are older, retired folks. Maybe some additional training and support is needed. Sorry about what happened to your dad.

This is because everyone connected to teaching knows enough to run away and stay clear of schools by a wide margin, so they can only recruit people who are unplugged from schoolchildren and the school system and don't know what they are getting into.

This is evidence of rot at the core.

I'm not a fan of the PUBLIC SCHOOLS ARE A VIOLENT HELLSCAPE narrative, or of the OUR KIDS ARE GOOD, THEIR KIDS ARE OUT-OF-CONTROL ANIMALS narrative. Both narratives are also off-topic. Please focus on the topic, which is: what MCPS can do to support subs, including subs who are retirees.

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Anonymous wrote:My DD said most of the subs she has had in her h.s. are older, retired folks. Maybe some additional training and support is needed. Sorry about what happened to your dad.

What kind of training do you think would help, jujitsu?

How about how to manage a classroom.

How to teach, how to talk to teens, how to not be a d!ck… you probably can’t learn that.

So you’re saying that OP’s father got assaulted because he is a d!ck.

Interesting conclusion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My DD said most of the subs she has had in her h.s. are older, retired folks. Maybe some additional training and support is needed. Sorry about what happened to your dad.

What kind of training do you think would help, jujitsu?

How about how to manage a classroom.

How to teach, how to talk to teens, how to not be a d!ck… you probably can’t learn that.

How about paying taxes to train and compensate people to raise your children for you?

How about you use my tax $$ to hire teachers to teach and have teachers sub.

I dint need some old man with a god complex teaching kids in our community.

Cool. You realize there are not enough teachers. And not nearly enough subs.

That results in classrooms full of kids stuck in the auditorium or MPS because there is nobody available to supervise the kids in a classroom.

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Anonymous wrote:My DD said most of the subs she has had in her h.s. are older, retired folks. Maybe some additional training and support is needed. Sorry about what happened to your dad.

What kind of training do you think would help, jujitsu?

How about how to manage a classroom.

How to teach, how to talk to teens, how to not be a d!ck… you probably can’t learn that.

So you’re saying that OP’s father got assaulted because he is a d!ck.

Interesting conclusion.

DP. OP's father got shoved because someone shoved him. However, there are teaching, classroom management, and people skills that might have prevented the incident, and they are skills you likely don't learn as a prosecutor.

I sincerely hope that OP's father picks himself up, reassesses, and sets himself to learning a new group of skills, because MCPS needs good subs.

I also sincerely hope that OP simmers down from their protective overreaction.

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Anonymous wrote:Title one schools in affluent area hum…

I included the identifier in order to explain; my sister and I teach at Title I schools (as an aside, my school is a 5 min drive to pike and rose. So yes, we have Title I in affluent zones). At our schools, violence and assault is the norm.

I simply wanted to convey: my dad was NOT at a school like ours. The school he was at is one where this type of behavior would NOT be expected (it shouldn’t be expected anywhere, anyways). And it STILL happened.

That’s fascinating. I’ve worked in multiple Title I schools in some extremely challenging urban neighborhoods in Mid-Atlantic cities. In none of them were “violence and assault…the norm”. In any case, “norms” don’t always correlate perfectly with individual behavior.

Since you haven’t provided any details about what happened, perhaps your Dad isn’t cut out to be a sub — or would benefit from support and training in classroom management. Going from being a prosecutor to a job that requires the ability to immediately connect in positive ways with kids — both individually and in groups — is a huge shift, and might require a decidedly different skill set for everyone’s safety and well-being. Subbing is hard. Viewing it as “essentially volunteering “ despite presumably collecting a pay check might not be the best tack to take. Your conclusions about “absolute insanity and anarchy “ don’t bode well for our future as a community if people holding such views are teaching our kids.

Just tell us you do not know what a prosecutor does for a living-

New poster here. A prosecutor handles difficult topics and needs to be aggressive conceptually, but typically does not suffer from physical aggression at his workplace, PP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lawyers think they can just walk in a school and all of a sudden have all the skills to be a teacher.

Wild!

Tell your dad who is clearly full of himself (essentially volunteering wtf).

Prosecutors are so use to bullying people, welcome to the real world

He’s over his head.

Even experienced teachers are complaining about the situation and leaving the profession.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/veteran-teacher-opens-why-broken-133000735.html

At least OP’s dad is stepping up to fill in.

[Anonymous]

Affluent title 1

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Any 65 year old man or woman should be treated with respect by students. This begins in the home.

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8:49 poster

Any student (from any socio economic environment) should have been taught in the home to teach 65 year olds with respect and courtesy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If he is assaulted, he should call the police, not the principal.

+1000 This is how our society deals with assault.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Any 65 year old man or woman should be treated with respect by students. This begins in the home.

Many, many things should be - but aren't.

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Anonymous wrote:Affluent title 1

IKR