My 68 year old, retired dad had to call security thrice and was shoved while subbing

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If he is assaulted, he should call the police, not the principal.

Police won’t do anything

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My DD said most of the subs she has had in her h.s. are older, retired folks. Maybe some additional training and support is needed. Sorry about what happened to your dad.

The adults need additional training and support to not be physically assaulted by their students. That makes sense to you? Isn't it the kids who need the training and support to not disrespect and put their hands on their elders?

I swear to god the so-called adults in this county are braindead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD said most of the subs she has had in her h.s. are older, retired folks. Maybe some additional training and support is needed. Sorry about what happened to your dad.

The adults need additional training and support to not be physically assaulted by their students. That makes sense to you? Isn't it the kids who need the training and support to not disrespect and put their hands on their elders?

I swear to god the so-called adults in this county are braindead.

It makes sense to me. This isn't one or the other. Kids need to learn how to treat people respectfully. Teachers (including subs) need to learn classroom management. Some skills transfer from being a prosecutor to being a teacher (including a sub). Many don't. For the ones that don't, you have to learn them. OP's father can't control what kids learn at home, but he can control what skills he learns to support his subbing, if he chooses to continue to sub.

[Anonymous]

Lawyers think they can just walk in a school and all of a sudden have all the skills to be a teacher.

Wild!

Tell your dad who is clearly full of himself (essentially volunteering wtf).

Prosecutors are so use to bullying people, welcome to the real world

He’s over his head.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My 68 year old retired dad was shoved while subbing

My sister and I are both teachers in Title I schools in an (ostensibly) affluent district. Our experiences as teachers are full of violence and difficulty. Nevertheless, my dad (a retired prosecutor) wanted to be a substitute.

His first 3 weeks were wonderful. He chose his schools strategically. Avoided some of our harsher selections. He loved it. He shared stories of making connections, returning to the same classes, making an effort to build relationships with the most disengaged students. He was really proud of his work.
On Friday, while subbing at one of our most successful middle schools, he had to call security three times and was shoved by a student.

If a 68 year old man who is (essentially) volunteering his time to support in schools that are (allegedly) safe and exceeding standards can still be assaulted WHAT HOPE IS THERE?

When will this end? How can we end this? This is absolute insanity, anarchy, and does not bode well for future societal norms.

Since he worked in law enforcement, he should know how to file charges against the people who assaulted him. He also knows this is how our society deal with these things and that MCPS isn't equipped to dole out justice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If he is assaulted, he should call the police, not the principal.

Correct!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My DD said most of the subs she has had in her h.s. are older, retired folks. Maybe some additional training and support is needed. Sorry about what happened to your dad.

What kind of training do you think would help, jujitsu?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD said most of the subs she has had in her h.s. are older, retired folks. Maybe some additional training and support is needed. Sorry about what happened to your dad.

The adults need additional training and support to not be physically assaulted by their students. That makes sense to you? Isn't it the kids who need the training and support to not disrespect and put their hands on their elders?

I swear to god the so-called adults in this county are braindead.

Imagine that teachers learn how to teach in college.

Wow you can’t just walk off the street and be good at it?

/s

[Anonymous]

I am sorry this happened to him. I had thought about switching to substitute teaching precovid, once I retired from my current position. No longer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD said most of the subs she has had in her h.s. are older, retired folks. Maybe some additional training and support is needed. Sorry about what happened to your dad.

What kind of training do you think would help, jujitsu?

How about how to manage a classroom.

How to teach, how to talk to teens, how to not be a d!ck… you probably can’t learn that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Title one schools in affluent area hum…

I included the identifier in order to explain; my sister and I teach at Title I schools (as an aside, my school is a 5 min drive to pike and rose. So yes, we have Title I in affluent zones). At our schools, violence and assault is the norm.

I simply wanted to convey: my dad was NOT at a school like ours. The school he was at is one where this type of behavior would NOT be expected (it shouldn’t be expected anywhere, anyways). And it STILL happened.

Your narrative structure needs some work. You got your facts right, but you presented them in a confusing way or a casual reader who shouldn't have to go back and reconcile previous statements.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Title one schools in affluent area hum…

I included the identifier in order to explain; my sister and I teach at Title I schools (as an aside, my school is a 5 min drive to pike and rose. So yes, we have Title I in affluent zones). At our schools, violence and assault is the norm.

I simply wanted to convey: my dad was NOT at a school like ours. The school he was at is one where this type of behavior would NOT be expected (it shouldn’t be expected anywhere, anyways). And it STILL happened.

That’s fascinating. I’ve worked in multiple Title I schools in some extremely challenging urban neighborhoods in Mid-Atlantic cities. In none of them were “violence and assault…the norm”. In any case, “norms” don’t always correlate perfectly with individual behavior.

Since you haven’t provided any details about what happened, perhaps your Dad isn’t cut out to be a sub — or would benefit from support and training in classroom management. Going from being a prosecutor to a job that requires the ability to immediately connect in positive ways with kids — both individually and in groups — is a huge shift, and might require a decidedly different skill set for everyone’s safety and well-being. Subbing is hard. Viewing it as “essentially volunteering “ despite presumably collecting a pay check might not be the best tack to take. Your conclusions about “absolute insanity and anarchy “ don’t bode well for our future as a community if people holding such views are teaching our kids.

You are so close to getting the point. In a civilized society, gen ed teachers shouldn't need the same training as high security prison guards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My DD said most of the subs she has had in her h.s. are older, retired folks. Maybe some additional training and support is needed. Sorry about what happened to your dad.

This is because everyone connected to teaching knows enough to run away and stay clear of schools by a wide margin, so they can only recruit people who are unplugged from schoolchildren and the school system and don't know what they are getting into.

This is evidence of rot at the core.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD said most of the subs she has had in her h.s. are older, retired folks. Maybe some additional training and support is needed. Sorry about what happened to your dad.

What kind of training do you think would help, jujitsu?

How about how to manage a classroom.

How to teach, how to talk to teens, how to not be a d!ck… you probably can’t learn that.

How about paying taxes to train and compensate people to raise your children for you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Title one schools in affluent area hum…

I included the identifier in order to explain; my sister and I teach at Title I schools (as an aside, my school is a 5 min drive to pike and rose. So yes, we have Title I in affluent zones). At our schools, violence and assault is the norm.

I simply wanted to convey: my dad was NOT at a school like ours. The school he was at is one where this type of behavior would NOT be expected (it shouldn’t be expected anywhere, anyways). And it STILL happened.

That’s fascinating. I’ve worked in multiple Title I schools in some extremely challenging urban neighborhoods in Mid-Atlantic cities. In none of them were “violence and assault…the norm”. In any case, “norms” don’t always correlate perfectly with individual behavior.

Since you haven’t provided any details about what happened, perhaps your Dad isn’t cut out to be a sub — or would benefit from support and training in classroom management. Going from being a prosecutor to a job that requires the ability to immediately connect in positive ways with kids — both individually and in groups — is a huge shift, and might require a decidedly different skill set for everyone’s safety and well-being. Subbing is hard. Viewing it as “essentially volunteering “ despite presumably collecting a pay check might not be the best tack to take. Your conclusions about “absolute insanity and anarchy “ don’t bode well for our future as a community if people holding such views are teaching our kids.

You are so close to getting the point. In a civilized society, gen ed teachers shouldn't need the same training as high security prison guards.

You just don’t get it.

Most prosecutors are just blow hards. Kids don’t need that BS when trying to learn.

I actually think they should not allow prosecutors or judges as subs.

Their insanely god like attitude doesn’t belong in the classroom.