My 68 year old, retired dad had to call security thrice and was shoved while subbing

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Anonymous wrote:This deep in and nobody mentions the absurdly low pay for substitutes? You'd make the same (or more) at Target, and probably get a discount.

“(essentially) volunteering “ was the OP’s description. Does that qualify as a “mention”?

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Your Dad should use his political connections to engage the County Exec, County Council, and MCPS leadership.

Instead of pandering to those at the low end of the behavior spectrum (which mcps has done for decades), let’s launch a parental mutiny to fuel the change that is needed: higher standards, personal responsibility, and old-school parameters.

Think: why catholic schools (even those that cater to inner-city minorities) churn out high-achieving kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Your Dad should use his political connections to engage the County Exec, County Council, and MCPS leadership.

Instead of pandering to those at the low end of the behavior spectrum (which mcps has done for decades), let’s launch a parental mutiny to fuel the change that is needed: higher standards, personal responsibility, and old-school parameters.

Think: why catholic schools (even those that cater to inner-city minorities) churn out high-achieving kids.

Ah! Well, one way Catholic schools do this is by paying low salaries, having small class sizes, accepting only the kids and families that they want to take, and making sure that almost all special needs students are funneled off to the public schools. Is that the model that you’re proposing? If so, any thoughts on how IDEA will be handled or how teacher recruitment will look?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Your Dad should use his political connections to engage the County Exec, County Council, and MCPS leadership.

Instead of pandering to those at the low end of the behavior spectrum (which mcps has done for decades), let’s launch a parental mutiny to fuel the change that is needed: higher standards, personal responsibility, and old-school parameters.

Think: why catholic schools (even those that cater to inner-city minorities) churn out high-achieving kids.

Are you posting from 1982?

[Anonymous]

I work in workman's compensation as an RN and have had multiple "workers" (as we call our patients) who are teachers who were attacked by students and injured on the job in MCPS and FCPS. They ended up with significant orthopedic and soft-tissue injuries that are taking years to heal. It's insane what can happen to teachers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I work in workman's compensation as an RN and have had multiple "workers" (as we call our patients) who are teachers who were attacked by students and injured on the job in MCPS and FCPS. They ended up with significant orthopedic and soft-tissue injuries that are taking years to heal. It's insane what can happen to teachers.

And RNs.

https://www.nursingworld.org/practice-policy/work-environment/end-nurse-abuse/workplace-violence/

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Anonymous wrote:Title one schools in affluent area hum…

I included the identifier in order to explain; my sister and I teach at Title I schools (as an aside, my school is a 5 min drive to pike and rose. So yes, we have Title I in affluent zones). At our schools, violence and assault is the norm.

I simply wanted to convey: my dad was NOT at a school like ours. The school he was at is one where this type of behavior would NOT be expected (it shouldn’t be expected anywhere, anyways). And it STILL happened.

That’s fascinating. I’ve worked in multiple Title I schools in some extremely challenging urban neighborhoods in Mid-Atlantic cities. In none of them were “violence and assault…the norm”. In any case, “norms” don’t always correlate perfectly with individual behavior.

Since you haven’t provided any details about what happened, perhaps your Dad isn’t cut out to be a sub — or would benefit from support and training in classroom management. Going from being a prosecutor to a job that requires the ability to immediately connect in positive ways with kids — both individually and in groups — is a huge shift, and might require a decidedly different skill set for everyone’s safety and well-being. Subbing is hard. Viewing it as “essentially volunteering “ despite presumably collecting a pay check might not be the best tack to take. Your conclusions about “absolute insanity and anarchy “ don’t bode well for our future as a community if people holding such views are teaching our kids.

Just tell us you do not know what a prosecutor does for a living-

I do know, quite well, what at least some prosecutors do for a living. And that’s how I know that the skill sets don’t overlap very much.

So, prison guard or navy seal would be best suited, or...

…Or a teacher who has been trained in classroom management techniques. Ideally in a setting that also includes additional trained support when those classroom management techniques are not adequate ways to address the problematic situations.

I am approaching year 10 of teaching, and while I do agree that subs could benefit from more training, the truth is that 99 percent of my classroom management skills were developed DESPITE the BS they pile on us teachers—-not because

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I work in workman's compensation as an RN and have had multiple "workers" (as we call our patients) who are teachers who were attacked by students and injured on the job in MCPS and FCPS. They ended up with significant orthopedic and soft-tissue injuries that are taking years to heal. It's insane what can happen to teachers.

Sounds like these students should be charged with felony assault and serve hard time, but I guess schools are magical places where our laws no longer apply..

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Title one schools in affluent area hum…

I included the identifier in order to explain; my sister and I teach at Title I schools (as an aside, my school is a 5 min drive to pike and rose. So yes, we have Title I in affluent zones). At our schools, violence and assault is the norm.

I simply wanted to convey: my dad was NOT at a school like ours. The school he was at is one where this type of behavior would NOT be expected (it shouldn’t be expected anywhere, anyways). And it STILL happened.

Residency fraud. Super common in MCPS - and little to no enforcement. There was a case of rape at BCC a few years ago and students were PG residents - as well as being over 21!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There's going to be a flight out of Montgomery County. Its no longer a nice place to live or to raise children. You couldn't pay me to put my children in mcps though we are stuck here with 2 left in high school. It was a very different place 20 years ago.

This isn't unusual, though. UMC takes over an area, makes it a desirable place to live and the second generation starts voting as if they didn't understand why the first generation moved to a place. Third and fourth generation moves out (if they're lucky) rinse and repeat.

Bye Felicia

Well, but this quaint tale is not quite Moco’s story. When one party (Dems) gain a monopoly on power and impose policies that actually replace high paying county residents with rural migrants from central and South America- you have Moco. It still has nice pockets of upper middle class residents but it certainly is not a welcoming place for your average Joe (Jose).

Remember the waves of ‘ghost’ students about a decade ago and our leaders blamed county demographers for the overcrowding? (And miscounting). LOL.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Title one schools in affluent area hum…

I included the identifier in order to explain; my sister and I teach at Title I schools (as an aside, my school is a 5 min drive to pike and rose. So yes, we have Title I in affluent zones). At our schools, violence and assault is the norm.

I simply wanted to convey: my dad was NOT at a school like ours. The school he was at is one where this type of behavior would NOT be expected (it shouldn’t be expected anywhere, anyways). And it STILL happened.

Residency fraud. Super common in MCPS - and little to no enforcement. There was a case of rape at BCC a few years ago and students were PG residents - as well as being over 21!

....actually no? My kids go to Viers Mill ES, which has 75% FARMS and is apparently an 8 minute drive to Pike and Rose. Not the PP, and have no idea if this is the school, but just an example of the economic diversity in a small geographic area. And for the record, we love the school and violence and assault is not "the norm."

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Anonymous wrote:Title one schools in affluent area hum…

I included the identifier in order to explain; my sister and I teach at Title I schools (as an aside, my school is a 5 min drive to pike and rose. So yes, we have Title I in affluent zones). At our schools, violence and assault is the norm.

I simply wanted to convey: my dad was NOT at a school like ours. The school he was at is one where this type of behavior would NOT be expected (it shouldn’t be expected anywhere, anyways). And it STILL happened.

That’s fascinating. I’ve worked in multiple Title I schools in some extremely challenging urban neighborhoods in Mid-Atlantic cities. In none of them were “violence and assault…the norm”. In any case, “norms” don’t always correlate perfectly with individual behavior.

Since you haven’t provided any details about what happened, perhaps your Dad isn’t cut out to be a sub — or would benefit from support and training in classroom management. Going from being a prosecutor to a job that requires the ability to immediately connect in positive ways with kids — both individually and in groups — is a huge shift, and might require a decidedly different skill set for everyone’s safety and well-being. Subbing is hard. Viewing it as “essentially volunteering “ despite presumably collecting a pay check might not be the best tack to take. Your conclusions about “absolute insanity and anarchy “ don’t bode well for our future as a community if people holding such views are teaching our kids.

Just tell us you do not know what a prosecutor does for a living-

I do know, quite well, what at least some prosecutors do for a living. And that’s how I know that the skill sets don’t overlap very much.

So, prison guard or navy seal would be best suited, or...

…Or a teacher who has been trained in classroom management techniques. Ideally in a setting that also includes additional trained support when those classroom management techniques are not adequate ways to address the problematic situations.

I am approaching year 10 of teaching, and while I do agree that subs could benefit from more training, the truth is that 99 percent of my classroom management skills were developed DESPITE the BS they pile on us teachers—-not because

Then, from my perspective, you — and other experienced, effective, master teachers like you — should be teaching the trainings.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I work in workman's compensation as an RN and have had multiple "workers" (as we call our patients) who are teachers who were attacked by students and injured on the job in MCPS and FCPS. They ended up with significant orthopedic and soft-tissue injuries that are taking years to heal. It's insane what can happen to teachers.

Sounds like these students should be charged with felony assault and serve hard time, but I guess schools are magical places where our laws no longer apply..

No, but serving “hard time” when you’re five is problematic on many levels.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Your dad had three wonderful weeks and one bad day and that constitutes insanity and anarchy? Hardly. Kudos to him for helping in the schools. I hope he can get the support he deserves if he chooses to continue.

NP and You are absolutely part of the problem.
There shouldn’t be even one “bad day” out of 30 weeks if that’s defined as being shoved by a student. What is wrong with you that you don’t get that this is a base level expectation that should be a minimum level on the scale of societal norms??

[Anonymous]

went to school in the Bronx and my 75 year old spinster five foot tall teacher gave me a beat down for the ages.

Your dad is old. He can do beat downs and no one will suspect