Ex suddenly wants to get child passport, but there are no plans for international travel

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does he have ties with any other country besides the US? Does your child have another citizenship?
If no and no, it’s relatively safe even if he gets the passport (which he cannot get without your notarized agreement anyway).
However you still don’t have to agree, and there is a passport stop list you can put your kid on, but I don’t know the requirements for that.

OP here. It's no and no.

PP who asked. I think you are pretty safe. I don’t see your ex taking your child to a country where your child could get stuck. Good luck!

Ex has (and I wish I were kidding about this) a Canadian gf, so likely he'd to there.

Idk it's sounding like I should get the passport on my own and just keep it from him, so he cannot get one with a faked notarized consent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does he have ties with any other country besides the US? Does your child have another citizenship?
If no and no, it’s relatively safe even if he gets the passport (which he cannot get without your notarized agreement anyway).
However you still don’t have to agree, and there is a passport stop list you can put your kid on, but I don’t know the requirements for that.

OP here. It's no and no.

PP who asked. I think you are pretty safe. I don’t see your ex taking your child to a country where your child could get stuck. Good luck!

WRONG. See above about Hague Abduction Convention. Even if PP doesn't "see" it, the possibility exists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does he have ties with any other country besides the US? Does your child have another citizenship?
If no and no, it’s relatively safe even if he gets the passport (which he cannot get without your notarized agreement anyway).
However you still don’t have to agree, and there is a passport stop list you can put your kid on, but I don’t know the requirements for that.

No, it's NOT relatively safe given there are plenty of countries who are not signatories to the Hague Abduction Convention.

Not many will easily give our visas to Americans with no ties to the country, I don’t think

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does he have ties with any other country besides the US? Does your child have another citizenship?
If no and no, it’s relatively safe even if he gets the passport (which he cannot get without your notarized agreement anyway).
However you still don’t have to agree, and there is a passport stop list you can put your kid on, but I don’t know the requirements for that.

OP here. It's no and no.

PP who asked. I think you are pretty safe. I don’t see your ex taking your child to a country where your child could get stuck. Good luck!

Ex has (and I wish I were kidding about this) a Canadian gf, so likely he'd to there.

Idk it's sounding like I should get the passport on my own and just keep it from him, so he cannot get one with a faked notarized consent.

He can also lie and say that passport was lost, and apply for a new one with a fake notary. There is no centralized notary database where people adjudicating passport applications can look to see if a notary is legit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does he have ties with any other country besides the US? Does your child have another citizenship?
If no and no, it’s relatively safe even if he gets the passport (which he cannot get without your notarized agreement anyway).
However you still don’t have to agree, and there is a passport stop list you can put your kid on, but I don’t know the requirements for that.

No, it's NOT relatively safe given there are plenty of countries who are not signatories to the Hague Abduction Convention.

Not many will easily give our visas to Americans with no ties to the country, I don’t think

Japan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You need to enrolll in this program right away:
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/International-Parental-Child-Abduction/prevention/passport-issuance-alert-program.html

They will alert you if a passport is issued or applied for in your child's name.

Yes, you technicall need both parents to get a child passport (for child abductino reasons), but notarized documents can be forged.

Yes, do this, OP. Signed, NP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does he have ties with any other country besides the US? Does your child have another citizenship?
If no and no, it’s relatively safe even if he gets the passport (which he cannot get without your notarized agreement anyway).
However you still don’t have to agree, and there is a passport stop list you can put your kid on, but I don’t know the requirements for that.

OP here. It's no and no.

PP who asked. I think you are pretty safe. I don’t see your ex taking your child to a country where your child could get stuck. Good luck!

Ex has (and I wish I were kidding about this) a Canadian gf, so likely he'd to there.

Idk it's sounding like I should get the passport on my own and just keep it from him, so he cannot get one with a faked notarized consent.

Look into getting your kid on the stop list for international travel then.

I personally think he won’t be able to get to a non Hague convention country simply because they dont like giving visas to Americans, but I can’t say for sure.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes both parents have to be present to apply for a child’s passport o

No they don't, you can get a notarized form if one parent can't be there.

Oh eff, my ex is a notary. Can he fake a notarized form?

DP. This is another thing to make sure your lawyer knows about ASAP. There may be some way to flag your kid's name, perhaps, so an attempt to get a passport could be stopped temporarily, even if there is a notarized form, and you would have to be contacted by the State Department, maybe? Not sure if that's a thing, but if he's a notary and could fake a form and your signature--that's worrying. (Though if he got caught faking your signature I'd beg the prosecutor to wallop him with the strongest possible forgery charges in hopes he'd do some jail time.) Unfortunately I doubt that, with nothing in hand like a restraining order or a severely curtailed custody order that specifies he cannot leave the country with DC--you may not have standing to ask for your child's name to get special flagging if it exists.

Do you trust your lawyer and feel he or she will take your concerns seriously and help you research next steps, possibly? Or is your lawyer just someone who cranks out divorces and then is done unless there's a need to go to court for some specific change?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does he have ties with any other country besides the US? Does your child have another citizenship?
If no and no, it’s relatively safe even if he gets the passport (which he cannot get without your notarized agreement anyway).
However you still don’t have to agree, and there is a passport stop list you can put your kid on, but I don’t know the requirements for that.

OP here. It's no and no.

PP who asked. I think you are pretty safe. I don’t see your ex taking your child to a country where your child could get stuck. Good luck!

Ex has (and I wish I were kidding about this) a Canadian gf, so likely he'd to there.

Idk it's sounding like I should get the passport on my own and just keep it from him, so he cannot get one with a faked notarized consent.

Look into getting your kid on the stop list for international travel then.

I personally think he won’t be able to get to a non Hague convention country simply because they dont like giving visas to Americans, but I can’t say for sure.

The bold is what I was trying to think of in my post above! A stop list for all international travel, passport or not. --PP

[Anonymous]

Honestly I think he just wants to take him to see his GF. No evil plans. But of course you know him better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does he have ties with any other country besides the US? Does your child have another citizenship?
If no and no, it’s relatively safe even if he gets the passport (which he cannot get without your notarized agreement anyway).
However you still don’t have to agree, and there is a passport stop list you can put your kid on, but I don’t know the requirements for that.

OP here. It's no and no.

PP who asked. I think you are pretty safe. I don’t see your ex taking your child to a country where your child could get stuck. Good luck!

Ex has (and I wish I were kidding about this) a Canadian gf, so likely he'd to there.

Idk it's sounding like I should get the passport on my own and just keep it from him, so he cannot get one with a faked notarized consent.

You'll have to get his own notarized form or have him go with you to get it, but yes, get one. Be SURE it's sent to you and not him but also be sure there's no way he can go into State's website and "correct" the passport application to have it mailed to HIS address instead of your own. In fact I'd take measures to ensure he could not do that, could not steal it from your mailbox, and could never steal it from your home--keep it in a safe deposit box, not in your house at all.

Meanwhile, OP, do be sure others besides you are aware of all his rants etc. You don't want to be the sole person saying, "He kept harping on the belief he was being pursued by the government." Documenting can feel like you're doing nothing concrete, but over time it gives you a sense that if something does happen, you and those you tell will have some idea of his patterns and intent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Honestly I think he just wants to take him to see his GF. No evil plans. But of course you know him better.

FFS, pay better attention, PP. Either that. or if you're supposedly being "funny," stop.

If he "just wants to take him to see his GF," the ex can tell OP that.

Instead the ex has clearly told OP that he believes he will have to flee the U.S. for political asylum. Did you just miss that part entirely, PP, or did you blithely choose to ignore it?

[Anonymous]

Make sure your child has a therapist they can confide in you need a third party reporter on this stuff. No to the passport.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would get the passport myself and keep it at MY house under lock and key. You may want to travel internationally with your child at some point! So tell him his request is reasonable, but that you're taking care of it yourself.

This one.

Also, neither of you can take the child out of the country without a notarized consent form from the other spouse anyway.

Technically you can't take the child out of the country without a notarized consent form but I have done so multiple times and they have never checked. I think you get flagged more if the child doesn't look like the parent.

My XH just took our two children out of the country for Spring Break. I was cool with it, but I didn't provide any notarized consent, though I was present and signed for Passports.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly I think he just wants to take him to see his GF. No evil plans. But of course you know him better.

FFS, pay better attention, PP. Either that. or if you're supposedly being "funny," stop.

If he "just wants to take him to see his GF," the ex can tell OP that.

Instead the ex has clearly told OP that he believes he will have to flee the U.S. for political asylum. Did you just miss that part entirely, PP, or did you blithely choose to ignore it?

Omg he never said that! He has vague ideas that the govt is out to get him which is bad but doesn’t nearly equate to what you claim