School camera tickets, $250 * 10 cars every stop on River Road, Bethesda

[Anonymous]

If people are scared of the bus, take a different road that time of day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I disagree with your unhinged and intolerant screed against foreigners and people from out of state.

There is an assumption under the law that if you hold a valid driver's license from another jurisdiction, you may exchange it for a MD driver's license. The people who cause car accidents are statistically young adults and the elderly - regardless of where they come from. Which means the majority of accidents on River Rd will be caused by Montgomery County drivers.

- European whose driving test in Paris was much harder than the incredibly easy one given here in MD. MOST wealthy countries have harder driving tests than the ones given in the USA, actually.

Don't care.

Do care that drivers here know right of way rules, merging rules, school bus stop rules, passing rules, signage meaning, ambulance/ police siren rules, etc. in USA.

Again, only Maryland does not require a refresher or proof of at least road rules knowledge.
Look at its accident rate, hit rate, ticketing rate, insurance rate. High, high, high, high. Breaks the record for the country in many metrics. So many accidents they don't keep car accident stats, but look around, it's not (nationally?) young adults and the elderly. Most teens here don't get their license on time, ie age 16.

Most states, you'd sit for a short test after your vision test. Yes the test can be in any of 20+ languages.

This is incorrect. I received a DC license when I moved here and submitted my other state DL. No written or road test. From other jurisdictions in the US I don’t know why you feel that would necessary. Except perhaps for the legality of right turns on red, and directonal street parking the rules are the same.

I’ve lived in 4 states and moved between them five times. The only time I’ve been required to take a test was the very first. It’s normal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:*not residential

It doesn't matter if its residential. If a school bus stops and the stop sign swing arm comes out (yellow lights on top turn to red), you must stop. Full and complete on both sides of the road unless there is a permanent divider.

Clearly NO ONE sees the bus sign or lights as NO ONE stopped. Even another school bus drove on by.

Aren’t MCPS and MoCo concerned? If I saw 10 tickets every time a bus stopped on a non-residential street I’d do a lot more than send $250 tickets.
Get a fog horn on the bus. Put a squad car and megaphone out there. This could be dangerous. The retirement home kid may need a popsical from the gas stations on the other side and use the bus stop sign instead of the cross walk by the light…

It's usually harder to see things when you're not looking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:*not residential

It doesn't matter if its residential. If a school bus stops and the stop sign swing arm comes out (yellow lights on top turn to red), you must stop. Full and complete on both sides of the road unless there is a permanent divider.

Clearly NO ONE sees the bus sign or lights as NO ONE stopped. Even another school bus drove on by.

Aren’t MCPS and MoCo concerned? If I saw 10 tickets every time a bus stopped on a non-residential street I’d do a lot more than send $250 tickets.
Get a fog horn on the bus. Put a squad car and megaphone out there. This could be dangerous. The retirement home kid may need a popsical from the gas stations on the other side and use the bus stop sign instead of the cross walk by the light…

It's usually harder to see things when you're not looking.

Then it’s good drivers are getting ticketed for their dangerous behavior on a street where there is a residence. Maybe that will get their attention. And thank you, OP, for raising awareness. Now if you and your nanny could just slow down and watch for school buses and children during the afternoon after-school hours, you won’t get another ticket.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I disagree with your unhinged and intolerant screed against foreigners and people from out of state.

There is an assumption under the law that if you hold a valid driver's license from another jurisdiction, you may exchange it for a MD driver's license. The people who cause car accidents are statistically young adults and the elderly - regardless of where they come from. Which means the majority of accidents on River Rd will be caused by Montgomery County drivers.

- European whose driving test in Paris was much harder than the incredibly easy one given here in MD. MOST wealthy countries have harder driving tests than the ones given in the USA, actually.

Don't care.

Do care that drivers here know right of way rules, merging rules, school bus stop rules, passing rules, signage meaning, ambulance/ police siren rules, etc. in USA.

Again, only Maryland does not require a refresher or proof of at least road rules knowledge.
Look at its accident rate, hit rate, ticketing rate, insurance rate. High, high, high, high. Breaks the record for the country in many metrics. So many accidents they don't keep car accident stats, but look around, it's not (nationally?) young adults and the elderly. Most teens here don't get their license on time, ie age 16.

Most states, you'd sit for a short test after your vision test. Yes the test can be in any of 20+ languages.

This is incorrect. I received a DC license when I moved here and submitted my other state DL. No written or road test. From other jurisdictions in the US I don’t know why you feel that would necessary. Except perhaps for the legality of right turns on red, and directonal street parking the rules are the same.

Me too. DC does not require anything besides proof of residency if the license is unexpired.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Was there a divider? I'm honestly surprised that 7 lanes wouldn't have a divider. And if it doesn't, I don't think a school bus should be stopping on such a busy road.

River Road there is crazy busy, and residential except for that tall retirement home thing.

Thx for the Public Service Announcement that they’re issuing pricey school bus camera tickets.
Ironic that the video link they typically include on auto-camera tickets shows no cars stopping, not even their own bus going the other way. Seems like a money bus stop for sure, maybe double check any kid actually got out even!

So it is not residential except for the residences?

[Anonymous]

Apparently, 85% of these tickets are going to other school bus drivers (who they probably can't fire because there's always a shortage):

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/04/report-85-of-tickets-issued-for-passing-stopped-school-buses-were-issued-to-school-bus-drivers/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Was there a divider? I'm honestly surprised that 7 lanes wouldn't have a divider. And if it doesn't, I don't think a school bus should be stopping on such a busy road.

River Road there is crazy busy, and residential except for that tall retirement home thing.

Thx for the Public Service Announcement that they’re issuing pricey school bus camera tickets.
Ironic that the video link they typically include on auto-camera tickets shows no cars stopping, not even their own bus going the other way. Seems like a money bus stop for sure, maybe double check any kid actually got out even!

"That tall retirement home thing" is not a retirement home.
https://www.cparkre.com/the-kenwood-condos.php

[Anonymous]

You have to stop for school buses in both directions unless there is a median dividing a multiple lane road. Drivers Ed 101. I'd actually pay to see how many idiot drivers in the opposite lanes road rage at people stopped for a bus because they are unaware of the rule like an idiot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Was there a divider? I'm honestly surprised that 7 lanes wouldn't have a divider. And if it doesn't, I don't think a school bus should be stopping on such a busy road.

River Road there is crazy busy, and residential except for that tall retirement home thing.

Thx for the Public Service Announcement that they’re issuing pricey school bus camera tickets.
Ironic that the video link they typically include on auto-camera tickets shows no cars stopping, not even their own bus going the other way. Seems like a money bus stop for sure, maybe double check any kid actually got out even!

"That tall retirement home thing" is not a retirement home.
https://www.cparkre.com/the-kenwood-condos.php

Sit in the lobby for an hour or too and tell us otherwise.

Besides it’s a commercial zoned street that stretch. That half mile of RR is one 1950s retirement home, 6 gas stations, 1 tablets ice cream lotto stand, 1 plant shop, 1 building materials shop, 1 mcDonald’s, 1 mini mall w Chinese food, ice cream, Whole Foods, 1 private school teacher driveway, 1 storage facility, some truist office building and a side road containing 4 body shops and a couple car rentals. And a few cell towers to boot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Was there a divider? I'm honestly surprised that 7 lanes wouldn't have a divider. And if it doesn't, I don't think a school bus should be stopping on such a busy road.

River Road there is crazy busy, and residential except for that tall retirement home thing.

Thx for the Public Service Announcement that they’re issuing pricey school bus camera tickets.
Ironic that the video link they typically include on auto-camera tickets shows no cars stopping, not even their own bus going the other way. Seems like a money bus stop for sure, maybe double check any kid actually got out even!

"That tall retirement home thing" is not a retirement home.
https://www.cparkre.com/the-kenwood-condos.php

Sit in the lobby for an hour or too and tell us otherwise.

Besides it’s a commercial zoned street that stretch. That half mile of RR is one 1950s retirement home, 6 gas stations, 1 tablets ice cream lotto stand, 1 plant shop, 1 building materials shop, 1 mcDonald’s, 1 mini mall w Chinese food, ice cream, Whole Foods, 1 private school teacher driveway, 1 storage facility, some truist office building and a side road containing 4 body shops and a couple car rentals. And a few cell towers to boot.

The "retirement home" is not a retirement home, condo buildings are residential, and you need to stop for stopped school buses when you're driving.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You have to stop for school buses in both directions unless there is a median dividing a multiple lane road. Drivers Ed 101. I'd actually pay to see how many idiot drivers in the opposite lanes road rage at people stopped for a bus because they are unaware of the rule like an idiot.

Many.

No one is stopping on a multi-lane commuter road. Even other public school bus drivers in their yellow buses don’t stop for their fellow flashing light stop sign out buses. No one sees the little sign in the bright sun, drivers are too busy minding the crazy traffic and drivers pulling out every 10 meters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Apparently, 85% of these tickets are going to other school bus drivers (who they probably can't fire because there's always a shortage):

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/04/report-85-of-tickets-issued-for-passing-stopped-school-buses-were-issued-to-school-bus-drivers/

Wtf. Timely.

No drafting other school buses, apparently they can break the law but your car will get nailed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You have to stop for school buses in both directions unless there is a median dividing a multiple lane road. Drivers Ed 101. I'd actually pay to see how many idiot drivers in the opposite lanes road rage at people stopped for a bus because they are unaware of the rule like an idiot.

Many.

No one is stopping on a multi-lane commuter road. Even other public school bus drivers in their yellow buses don’t stop for their fellow flashing light stop sign out buses. No one sees the little sign in the bright sun, drivers are too busy minding the crazy traffic and drivers pulling out every 10 meters.

The little sign is attached to a big orange bus with flashing lights.

And most drivers aren't "commuting" at school bus drop-off times, they're just driving.

[Anonymous]

Have you ever been on the NW DC, MoCo and beltway roads at 3pm? When students are dismissed and adults are racing home to pick them up or get them to sports or activities?

Rush hour is 3-7pm around here. Enjoy!