School camera tickets, $250 * 10 cars every stop on River Road, Bethesda

[Anonymous]

FYI ALERTBUS ticketing cameras in Montgomery county

Please know that all MCPS buses have cameras video'ing ALL vehicles on both sides of highways and roads that generate $250 tickets to whatever lucky license plate the camera can catch that does not stop.

For example, our sitter drives south on River Road by the McD and gas stations by Little Falls. It's a full 3 lanes northbound, a middle turning lane, and 3 lanes southbound.

A northbound school bus stopped in front of the sole apartment building and put its little stop sign out for over 30 seconds. Per the two videos - no one on either side of the highway stopped, presumably everyone got a ticket unless license was not caught by cameras. 6 cars kept going on the southbound lanes, 1 southbound MCPS school bus kept going (!!!), and the sole northbound car going alongside the stopped school bus also kept going.

Multiple $250 times every single major highway stop times every day and that's a ton of money to the county.

Meanwhile, stopping for a school bus 7 lanes away for a kid walking up to their apartment right out the school bus door will get you rear-ended. Also love to know if the southbound bus driver got a citation or firing. They didn't stop and they also drive a MCPS school bus!

Meanwhile MoCo keeps issuing MD drivers licenses to out of state, int'l licenses and fraudulent ID holders WITH NO REQUIRED ROAD RULES WRITTEN TEST NOR BEHIND-THE-WHEEL TEST. Virginia and Wash DC do. This might really help with all the terrible drivers out there, and help my sitter not get rear ended when stopping for a school bus 8 lanes across traffic.

[Anonymous]

No one stopped for the far bus Stop Sign on river Road.
Not even the peer school bus.

If you would have stopped, no one would have known why and you would have been hit. The bus was too far away (7+ lanes) and too few people know the road rules.

[Anonymous]

I disagree with your unhinged and intolerant screed against foreigners and people from out of state.

There is an assumption under the law that if you hold a valid driver's license from another jurisdiction, you may exchange it for a MD driver's license. The people who cause car accidents are statistically young adults and the elderly - regardless of where they come from. Which means the majority of accidents on River Rd will be caused by Montgomery County drivers.

- European whose driving test in Paris was much harder than the incredibly easy one given here in MD. MOST wealthy countries have harder driving tests than the ones given in the USA, actually.

[Anonymous]

Tell that to hit & run culture on Georgia ave. "You can't prove I was driving the car!"

Now all the ubers and taxi drivers they hit, and everyone runs out and abandons the car, can indeed. Not that it matters. Montgomery County, MD doesn't discipline or prosecute anyone. Just does camera tickets to the middle class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I disagree with your unhinged and intolerant screed against foreigners and people from out of state.

There is an assumption under the law that if you hold a valid driver's license from another jurisdiction, you may exchange it for a MD driver's license. The people who cause car accidents are statistically young adults and the elderly - regardless of where they come from. Which means the majority of accidents on River Rd will be caused by Montgomery County drivers.

- European whose driving test in Paris was much harder than the incredibly easy one given here in MD. MOST wealthy countries have harder driving tests than the ones given in the USA, actually.

Don't care.

Do care that drivers here know right of way rules, merging rules, school bus stop rules, passing rules, signage meaning, ambulance/ police siren rules, etc. in USA.

Again, only Maryland does not require a refresher or proof of at least road rules knowledge.
Look at its accident rate, hit rate, ticketing rate, insurance rate. High, high, high, high. Breaks the record for the country in many metrics. So many accidents they don't keep car accident stats, but look around, it's not (nationally?) young adults and the elderly. Most teens here don't get their license on time, ie age 16.

Most states, you'd sit for a short test after your vision test. Yes the test can be in any of 20+ languages.

[Anonymous]

Is there a concrete median? If so contest the ticket. If not sitter should have stopped.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I disagree with your unhinged and intolerant screed against foreigners and people from out of state.

There is an assumption under the law that if you hold a valid driver's license from another jurisdiction, you may exchange it for a MD driver's license. The people who cause car accidents are statistically young adults and the elderly - regardless of where they come from. Which means the majority of accidents on River Rd will be caused by Montgomery County drivers.

- European whose driving test in Paris was much harder than the incredibly easy one given here in MD. MOST wealthy countries have harder driving tests than the ones given in the USA, actually.

Don't care.

Do care that drivers here know right of way rules, merging rules, school bus stop rules, passing rules, signage meaning, ambulance/ police siren rules, etc. in USA.

Again, only Maryland does not require a refresher or proof of at least road rules knowledge.
Look at its accident rate, hit rate, ticketing rate, insurance rate. High, high, high, high. Breaks the record for the country in many metrics. So many accidents they don't keep car accident stats, but look around, it's not (nationally?) young adults and the elderly. Most teens here don't get their license on time, ie age 16.

Most states, you'd sit for a short test after your vision test. Yes the test can be in any of 20+ languages.

Unless you cite actual numbers, we don't believe you. You're ranting because you're angry. But you can't just use a $250 ticket for failing to stop for a school bus to attack foreigners. There is never a good reason to act like a xenophobe.

My teen just got his license and we attended a lecture by a MoCo police officer who told us the majority of accidents were caused by young drivers and the elderly.

So stop with your hatred already. Pay the fine and tell your nanny to always look in her rearview mirror before stopping. This should have been part of her driver's ed! I've been able to avoid being rear-ended multiple times by implementing safe stops. River Road has a speed limit for a reason: you can't go too fast otherwise you cannot stop safely. It used to be a very dangerous road before they reduced the speed limit.

You don't actually say whether she was rear-ended - your phrasing is vague. If she was, I hope she wasn't hurt! If she wasn't, stop using that argument to blow everything out of proportion.

[Anonymous]

Lesson: be more aware of your surroundings, ie, the speed limit (she was probably exceeding it), the school buses, and the people behind who might not stop in time if she brakes suddenly.

I conclude that your nanny is not the best driver. You want to do something about that since she's likely driving your kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is there a concrete median? If so contest the ticket. If not sitter should have stopped.

This.

Everyone knows to stop for school buses in both directions unless there is a median or concrete barrier. I do not feel sorry for those who ignore the stop sign and flashing lights on a school bus. The cameras only record when the lights are flashing red.

[Anonymous]

I need to remind my UK spouse before they get another $250 school bus non-stopping ticket.

The traffic going against the stopped bus rarely stops so must be careful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I disagree with your unhinged and intolerant screed against foreigners and people from out of state.

There is an assumption under the law that if you hold a valid driver's license from another jurisdiction, you may exchange it for a MD driver's license. The people who cause car accidents are statistically young adults and the elderly - regardless of where they come from. Which means the majority of accidents on River Rd will be caused by Montgomery County drivers.

- European whose driving test in Paris was much harder than the incredibly easy one given here in MD. MOST wealthy countries have harder driving tests than the ones given in the USA, actually.

Don't care.

Do care that drivers here know right of way rules, merging rules, school bus stop rules, passing rules, signage meaning, ambulance/ police siren rules, etc. in USA.

Again, only Maryland does not require a refresher or proof of at least road rules knowledge.
Look at its accident rate, hit rate, ticketing rate, insurance rate. High, high, high, high. Breaks the record for the country in many metrics. So many accidents they don't keep car accident stats, but look around, it's not (nationally?) young adults and the elderly. Most teens here don't get their license on time, ie age 16.

Most states, you'd sit for a short test after your vision test. Yes the test can be in any of 20+ languages.

Unless you cite actual numbers, we don't believe you. You're ranting because you're angry. But you can't just use a $250 ticket for failing to stop for a school bus to attack foreigners. There is never a good reason to act like a xenophobe.

My teen just got his license and we attended a lecture by a MoCo police officer who told us the majority of accidents were caused by young drivers and the elderly.

So stop with your hatred already. Pay the fine and tell your nanny to always look in her rearview mirror before stopping. This should have been part of her driver's ed! I've been able to avoid being rear-ended multiple times by implementing safe stops. River Road has a speed limit for a reason: you can't go too fast otherwise you cannot stop safely. It used to be a very dangerous road before they reduced the speed limit.

You don't actually say whether she was rear-ended - your phrasing is vague. If she was, I hope she wasn't hurt! If she wasn't, stop using that argument to blow everything out of proportion.

I have 4 citizenships, am not a xenophobe.

However I stand by my claims that the DMV has many terrible adult drivers who do not know signage or road rules. And part of that is driven by day workers who never took drivers ed or a road rules test here. Insurance companies know it, court system knows it (was clear as day during 12 days of Grand jury duty in Rockville), and the police know it. Many WaPo and national articles out there on the terrible lack of rules drivers in this area have. And accident rates.

I hope all of River Road stops for this silly school bus at 3:15pm everyday, clicking out $2000 of citations across seven lanes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

A northbound school bus stopped in front of the sole apartment building and put its little stop sign out for over 30 seconds. Per the two videos - no one on either side of the highway stopped, presumably everyone got a ticket unless license was not caught by cameras. 6 cars kept going on the southbound lanes, 1 southbound MCPS school bus kept going (!!!), and the sole northbound car going alongside the stopped school bus also kept going.

Multiple $250 times every single major highway stop times every day and that's a ton of money to the county.

OK so first off you don't even know anyone got a ticket, this is all a figment of your imagination.

Second, the law in MD says everyone must stop in either direction unless the road has a divider, so regardless of whether you think they deserve tickets or not the law is quite clear that they need to stop.

How about just following the law? Seems like a good way to go.

[Anonymous]

Lol that you think Maryland is the only state that doesn’t require a test for drivers moving from other states. That’s the exception, not the norm.

[Anonymous]

OP, just pay the ticket and tell your nanny to watch out for school buses while driving. Driving anywhere.

I am happy as a clam that people are getting caught driving past school buses that have their little red sign deployed. Hope you get another ticket for twice as much if it happens again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I disagree with your unhinged and intolerant screed against foreigners and people from out of state.

There is an assumption under the law that if you hold a valid driver's license from another jurisdiction, you may exchange it for a MD driver's license. The people who cause car accidents are statistically young adults and the elderly - regardless of where they come from. Which means the majority of accidents on River Rd will be caused by Montgomery County drivers.

- European whose driving test in Paris was much harder than the incredibly easy one given here in MD. MOST wealthy countries have harder driving tests than the ones given in the USA, actually.

Don't care.

Do care that drivers here know right of way rules, merging rules, school bus stop rules, passing rules, signage meaning, ambulance/ police siren rules, etc. in USA.

Again, only Maryland does not require a refresher or proof of at least road rules knowledge.
Look at its accident rate, hit rate, ticketing rate, insurance rate. High, high, high, high. Breaks the record for the country in many metrics. So many accidents they don't keep car accident stats, but look around, it's not (nationally?) young adults and the elderly. Most teens here don't get their license on time, ie age 16.

Most states, you'd sit for a short test after your vision test. Yes the test can be in any of 20+ languages.

Unless you cite actual numbers, we don't believe you. You're ranting because you're angry. But you can't just use a $250 ticket for failing to stop for a school bus to attack foreigners. There is never a good reason to act like a xenophobe.

My teen just got his license and we attended a lecture by a MoCo police officer who told us the majority of accidents were caused by young drivers and the elderly.

So stop with your hatred already. Pay the fine and tell your nanny to always look in her rearview mirror before stopping. This should have been part of her driver's ed! I've been able to avoid being rear-ended multiple times by implementing safe stops. River Road has a speed limit for a reason: you can't go too fast otherwise you cannot stop safely. It used to be a very dangerous road before they reduced the speed limit.

You don't actually say whether she was rear-ended - your phrasing is vague. If she was, I hope she wasn't hurt! If she wasn't, stop using that argument to blow everything out of proportion.

I have 4 citizenships, am not a xenophobe.

However I stand by my claims that the DMV has many terrible adult drivers who do not know signage or road rules. And part of that is driven by day workers who never took drivers ed or a road rules test here. Insurance companies know it, court system knows it (was clear as day during 12 days of Grand jury duty in Rockville), and the police know it. Many WaPo and national articles out there on the terrible lack of rules drivers in this area have. And accident rates.

I hope all of River Road stops for this silly school bus at 3:15pm everyday, clicking out $2000 of citations across seven lanes.

I knew you were going to go there eventually. Now DCUM foreigners have called you out, you are limiting your hate to "day workers". OK. The poor Hispanic immigrants are the subject of your irrational anger here. Please give us data on how many accidents they cause?

And just so you don't forget, YOUR NANNY was 100% in the wrong. Why does a $250 ticket make you go off on a rant about a certain group that did not cause your nanny to fail to stop?!?!

You have so much hate and anger you can't even stay on topic.

Which other groups do you rant against when something else goes wrong in your life, OP? Blacks? Asians? Transgender people?