Missing middle is perfect antidote for Arlington racists

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's wonderful how rich people can buy a large plot, do what they want with it, then virtue signal on social media.

This dude is my new favorite rabbit hole.

First off, $4m house from running a daycare? is that typical? i thought daycare workers were paid so little because there is so little money after running the business?

Second, he is now out of that gig and an "entrepreneur" -- with no mention of his new business, though I suspect it's "real estate mogul wannabe".

Finally, let's say people did get sus about his families designs for such a huge property -- does anyone know if they have moved in or started renovation or anything, or if they just bought it waiting for MM to be passed? No one would ever assume someone is a worker on a property unless they climbed out of a landscaping truck with a landscaping polo on -- its 2023 and Arlington is way to woke for that. But how did the newspaper even find these owners to get these racy quotes?? Are they going around complaining about their new neighbors to the newspapers? How did they even get interviewed for the story?

Many people around here are loaded. Not sure why you're questioning the finances of this particular couple. Who met each other in law school.

The author of the article seems to be following missing middle & other local real estate news. He has written about this property *and* local racism before so not surprising that he's following up on it.
https://www.fcnp.com/author/charlie-clark/

Sure maybe he’s wealthy, but from daycare — which famously underpay their workers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How in the world does the owner of a daycare afford a $4M house????

They charge extra for early dropoff and late pickup.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Arlington has so few older houses of any architectural merit, and you're all rejoicing that one of the few that existed is now primed for demolition?

The FCNP isn't a real paper, by the way. It's basically the personal plaything of Nicholas Benton, and it will slant any story as Benton sees fit.

What's the architectural merit? It looks like a faux antebellum plantation manor.

You're projecting a bit, don't you think?

Anyway, fine with me if Arlington gets even uglier. A few nice older homes only made a dent in the prevailing banality of the place, and you all just want some new, attached shacks to go along with the older ones.

This would be projecting if I lived in a house that looks like Tara in the movie of Gone With the Wind, I guess? But I don't.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The article is laying it on a little thick. The owners have a large for Arlington property that they are planning to redevelop and have decided to work the victimhood angle to justify what they want to do anyway - make the most money possible off the lot. They just have to figure out what that looks like first with middle middle officially passed.

I’m highly skeptical they have started demolition without a plan in place — so whatever pops up there in the coming months was ALWAYS a the plan, not some racism fueled vendetta.

Since the guy has no job after making millions in DAYCARES of all things, he is clearly developing this property.

Will they lease the land to county and allow goverment housing on the property? A free daycare, a homeless shelter for families, etc?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The article is laying it on a little thick. The owners have a large for Arlington property that they are planning to redevelop and have decided to work the victimhood angle to justify what they want to do anyway - make the most money possible off the lot. They just have to figure out what that looks like first with middle middle officially passed.

I’m highly skeptical they have started demolition without a plan in place — so whatever pops up there in the coming months was ALWAYS a the plan, not some racism fueled vendetta.

Since the guy has no job after making millions in DAYCARES of all things, he is clearly developing this property.

Will they lease the land to county and allow goverment housing on the property? A free daycare, a homeless shelter for families, etc?

"Government housing"???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How in the world does the owner of a daycare afford a $4M house????

Commercial daycare that has many customers paying $$$$$ and staff is paid $. 1.17 acres so that would get the same number of units as a lot that is 25% or less the size under missing middle? That lot could have parking for 8 vehicles plus garage spaces holding 1-2 cars per unit. Lot size is unusually large but a 40,000+ sq foot lot gets the same units and vehicles as a 8000 sq foot lot?

Redfin also has a sale for it for 1m on 1/31/23 which matches the ARL county property website. $2.55m in 2023 List price started at 3.6.

https://www.redfin.com/VA/Arlington/2561-N-Vermont-St-22207/home/11230323

Aerials for the property are available https://geocortex.arlingtonva.us/Html5Viewer/Resources/3rdPartyMaps/Pictometry_public.aspx

That thing could have well over 10 units but whatever. ARL missing middle is whacky on lot sizes. Maybe it will be 8 townhouses at 1.5 m plus /unit? It could be 5 SFH at 1.8?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's wonderful how rich people can buy a large plot, do what they want with it, then virtue signal on social media.

This dude is my new favorite rabbit hole.

First off, $4m house from running a daycare? is that typical? i thought daycare workers were paid so little because there is so little money after running the business?

Second, he is now out of that gig and an "entrepreneur" -- with no mention of his new business, though I suspect it's "real estate mogul wannabe".

Finally, let's say people did get sus about his families designs for such a huge property -- does anyone know if they have moved in or started renovation or anything, or if they just bought it waiting for MM to be passed? No one would ever assume someone is a worker on a property unless they climbed out of a landscaping truck with a landscaping polo on -- its 2023 and Arlington is way to woke for that. But how did the newspaper even find these owners to get these racy quotes?? Are they going around complaining about their new neighbors to the newspapers? How did they even get interviewed for the story?

Many people around here are loaded. Not sure why you're questioning the finances of this particular couple. Who met each other in law school.

The author of the article seems to be following missing middle & other local real estate news. He has written about this property *and* local racism before so not surprising that he's following up on it.
https://www.fcnp.com/author/charlie-clark/

Sure maybe he’s wealthy, but from daycare — which famously underpay their workers.

You are sure making a lot of assumptions about this couple. Why do you assume it's the husband who is wealthy? Why do you assume it's just from daycare?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's wonderful how rich people can buy a large plot, do what they want with it, then virtue signal on social media.

This dude is my new favorite rabbit hole.

First off, $4m house from running a daycare? is that typical? i thought daycare workers were paid so little because there is so little money after running the business?

Second, he is now out of that gig and an "entrepreneur" -- with no mention of his new business, though I suspect it's "real estate mogul wannabe".

Finally, let's say people did get sus about his families designs for such a huge property -- does anyone know if they have moved in or started renovation or anything, or if they just bought it waiting for MM to be passed? No one would ever assume someone is a worker on a property unless they climbed out of a landscaping truck with a landscaping polo on -- its 2023 and Arlington is way to woke for that. But how did the newspaper even find these owners to get these racy quotes?? Are they going around complaining about their new neighbors to the newspapers? How did they even get interviewed for the story?

Many people around here are loaded. Not sure why you're questioning the finances of this particular couple. Who met each other in law school.

The author of the article seems to be following missing middle & other local real estate news. He has written about this property *and* local racism before so not surprising that he's following up on it.
https://www.fcnp.com/author/charlie-clark/

Sure maybe he’s wealthy, but from daycare — which famously underpay their workers.

You are sure making a lot of assumptions about this couple. Why do you assume it's the husband who is wealthy? Why do you assume it's just from daycare?

No one assumes the $ are solely from daycare profits. The main point of reviewing what can be built on the 1.17 acre lot is the fact that the ARL persons in charge had no common sense on lot size and what can be built by right zoning. From number of units to access, parking, vehicle count.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's wonderful how rich people can buy a large plot, do what they want with it, then virtue signal on social media.

This dude is my new favorite rabbit hole.

First off, $4m house from running a daycare? is that typical? i thought daycare workers were paid so little because there is so little money after running the business?

Second, he is now out of that gig and an "entrepreneur" -- with no mention of his new business, though I suspect it's "real estate mogul wannabe".

Finally, let's say people did get sus about his families designs for such a huge property -- does anyone know if they have moved in or started renovation or anything, or if they just bought it waiting for MM to be passed? No one would ever assume someone is a worker on a property unless they climbed out of a landscaping truck with a landscaping polo on -- its 2023 and Arlington is way to woke for that. But how did the newspaper even find these owners to get these racy quotes?? Are they going around complaining about their new neighbors to the newspapers? How did they even get interviewed for the story?

Many people around here are loaded. Not sure why you're questioning the finances of this particular couple. Who met each other in law school.

The author of the article seems to be following missing middle & other local real estate news. He has written about this property *and* local racism before so not surprising that he's following up on it.
https://www.fcnp.com/author/charlie-clark/

Sure maybe he’s wealthy, but from daycare — which famously underpay their workers.

You are sure making a lot of assumptions about this couple. Why do you assume it's the husband who is wealthy? Why do you assume it's just from daycare?

No one assumes the $ are solely from daycare profits. The main point of reviewing what can be built on the 1.17 acre lot is the fact that the ARL persons in charge had no common sense on lot size and what can be built by right zoning. From number of units to access, parking, vehicle count.

PP was definitely making assumptions about who was wealthy and why.

They are presumably both attorneys given that they met in law school. There are a billion wealthy attorneys in Arlington. Interesting that the PP is questioning how this particular couple gained their wealth.

Zoning is a different topic than the comments above.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's wonderful how rich people can buy a large plot, do what they want with it, then virtue signal on social media.

This dude is my new favorite rabbit hole.

First off, $4m house from running a daycare? is that typical? i thought daycare workers were paid so little because there is so little money after running the business?

Second, he is now out of that gig and an "entrepreneur" -- with no mention of his new business, though I suspect it's "real estate mogul wannabe".

Finally, let's say people did get sus about his families designs for such a huge property -- does anyone know if they have moved in or started renovation or anything, or if they just bought it waiting for MM to be passed? No one would ever assume someone is a worker on a property unless they climbed out of a landscaping truck with a landscaping polo on -- its 2023 and Arlington is way to woke for that. But how did the newspaper even find these owners to get these racy quotes?? Are they going around complaining about their new neighbors to the newspapers? How did they even get interviewed for the story?

Many people around here are loaded. Not sure why you're questioning the finances of this particular couple. Who met each other in law school.

The author of the article seems to be following missing middle & other local real estate news. He has written about this property *and* local racism before so not surprising that he's following up on it.
https://www.fcnp.com/author/charlie-clark/

Sure maybe he’s wealthy, but from daycare — which famously underpay their workers.

You are sure making a lot of assumptions about this couple. Why do you assume it's the husband who is wealthy? Why do you assume it's just from daycare?

No one assumes the $ are solely from daycare profits. The main point of reviewing what can be built on the 1.17 acre lot is the fact that the ARL persons in charge had no common sense on lot size and what can be built by right zoning. From number of units to access, parking, vehicle count.

The article implies he made his wealth running daycares. His wife works with him. He’s the entrepreneur from the article.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's wonderful how rich people can buy a large plot, do what they want with it, then virtue signal on social media.

This dude is my new favorite rabbit hole.

First off, $4m house from running a daycare? is that typical? i thought daycare workers were paid so little because there is so little money after running the business?

Second, he is now out of that gig and an "entrepreneur" -- with no mention of his new business, though I suspect it's "real estate mogul wannabe".

Finally, let's say people did get sus about his families designs for such a huge property -- does anyone know if they have moved in or started renovation or anything, or if they just bought it waiting for MM to be passed? No one would ever assume someone is a worker on a property unless they climbed out of a landscaping truck with a landscaping polo on -- its 2023 and Arlington is way to woke for that. But how did the newspaper even find these owners to get these racy quotes?? Are they going around complaining about their new neighbors to the newspapers? How did they even get interviewed for the story?

Many people around here are loaded. Not sure why you're questioning the finances of this particular couple. Who met each other in law school.

The author of the article seems to be following missing middle & other local real estate news. He has written about this property *and* local racism before so not surprising that he's following up on it.
https://www.fcnp.com/author/charlie-clark/

Sure maybe he’s wealthy, but from daycare — which famously underpay their workers.

You are sure making a lot of assumptions about this couple. Why do you assume it's the husband who is wealthy? Why do you assume it's just from daycare?

No one assumes the $ are solely from daycare profits. The main point of reviewing what can be built on the 1.17 acre lot is the fact that the ARL persons in charge had no common sense on lot size and what can be built by right zoning. From number of units to access, parking, vehicle count.

The article implies he made his wealth running daycares. His wife works with him. He’s the entrepreneur from the article.

If you own multiple centers, maximize occupancy and minimize expenses, you can make a lot of money. Waitlists are long enough that you can still fill centers with people who need to return to work before getting in anywhere better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How in the world does the owner of a daycare afford a $4M house????

Commercial daycare that has many customers paying $$$$$ and staff is paid $. 1.17 acres so that would get the same number of units as a lot that is 25% or less the size under missing middle? That lot could have parking for 8 vehicles plus garage spaces holding 1-2 cars per unit. Lot size is unusually large but a 40,000+ sq foot lot gets the same units and vehicles as a 8000 sq foot lot?

Redfin also has a sale for it for 1m on 1/31/23 which matches the ARL county property website. $2.55m in 2023 List price started at 3.6.

https://www.redfin.com/VA/Arlington/2561-N-Vermont-St-22207/home/11230323

Aerials for the property are available https://geocortex.arlingtonva.us/Html5Viewer/Resources/3rdPartyMaps/Pictometry_public.aspx

That thing could have well over 10 units but whatever. ARL missing middle is whacky on lot sizes. Maybe it will be 8 townhouses at 1.5 m plus /unit? It could be 5 SFH at 1.8?

There are two lots:
sold for $1 - 51,062 sq ft - SFH
https://propertysearch.arlingtonva.us/Home/GeneralInformation?lrsn=6212

sold for $1.55 - 11,145 sq ft - vacant
https://propertysearch.arlingtonva.us/Home/GeneralInformation?lrsn=6213

Many options...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's wonderful how rich people can buy a large plot, do what they want with it, then virtue signal on social media.

This dude is my new favorite rabbit hole.

First off, $4m house from running a daycare? is that typical? i thought daycare workers were paid so little because there is so little money after running the business?

Second, he is now out of that gig and an "entrepreneur" -- with no mention of his new business, though I suspect it's "real estate mogul wannabe".

Finally, let's say people did get sus about his families designs for such a huge property -- does anyone know if they have moved in or started renovation or anything, or if they just bought it waiting for MM to be passed? No one would ever assume someone is a worker on a property unless they climbed out of a landscaping truck with a landscaping polo on -- its 2023 and Arlington is way to woke for that. But how did the newspaper even find these owners to get these racy quotes?? Are they going around complaining about their new neighbors to the newspapers? How did they even get interviewed for the story?

Many people around here are loaded. Not sure why you're questioning the finances of this particular couple. Who met each other in law school.

The author of the article seems to be following missing middle & other local real estate news. He has written about this property *and* local racism before so not surprising that he's following up on it.
https://www.fcnp.com/author/charlie-clark/

Sure maybe he’s wealthy, but from daycare — which famously underpay their workers.

You are sure making a lot of assumptions about this couple. Why do you assume it's the husband who is wealthy? Why do you assume it's just from daycare?

No one assumes the $ are solely from daycare profits. The main point of reviewing what can be built on the 1.17 acre lot is the fact that the ARL persons in charge had no common sense on lot size and what can be built by right zoning. From number of units to access, parking, vehicle count.

The article implies he made his wealth running daycares. His wife works with him. He’s the entrepreneur from the article.

If you own multiple centers, maximize occupancy and minimize expenses, you can make a lot of money. Waitlists are long enough that you can still fill centers with people who need to return to work before getting in anywhere better.

Wow, it’s so gross it’s that profitable when they pay so little. I remember seeing a sign in Bright Horizons saying something like “You may not make much wealth, but seeing the children thrive is your reward” or something like that in staff bathroom. I understand they are for profit but not to that degree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's wonderful how rich people can buy a large plot, do what they want with it, then virtue signal on social media.

This dude is my new favorite rabbit hole.

First off, $4m house from running a daycare? is that typical? i thought daycare workers were paid so little because there is so little money after running the business?

Second, he is now out of that gig and an "entrepreneur" -- with no mention of his new business, though I suspect it's "real estate mogul wannabe".

Finally, let's say people did get sus about his families designs for such a huge property -- does anyone know if they have moved in or started renovation or anything, or if they just bought it waiting for MM to be passed? No one would ever assume someone is a worker on a property unless they climbed out of a landscaping truck with a landscaping polo on -- its 2023 and Arlington is way to woke for that. But how did the newspaper even find these owners to get these racy quotes?? Are they going around complaining about their new neighbors to the newspapers? How did they even get interviewed for the story?

Many people around here are loaded. Not sure why you're questioning the finances of this particular couple. Who met each other in law school.

The author of the article seems to be following missing middle & other local real estate news. He has written about this property *and* local racism before so not surprising that he's following up on it.
https://www.fcnp.com/author/charlie-clark/

Sure maybe he’s wealthy, but from daycare — which famously underpay their workers.

You are sure making a lot of assumptions about this couple. Why do you assume it's the husband who is wealthy? Why do you assume it's just from daycare?

No one assumes the $ are solely from daycare profits. The main point of reviewing what can be built on the 1.17 acre lot is the fact that the ARL persons in charge had no common sense on lot size and what can be built by right zoning. From number of units to access, parking, vehicle count.

The article implies he made his wealth running daycares. His wife works with him. He’s the entrepreneur from the article.

If you own multiple centers, maximize occupancy and minimize expenses, you can make a lot of money. Waitlists are long enough that you can still fill centers with people who need to return to work before getting in anywhere better.

Wow, it’s so gross it’s that profitable when they pay so little. I remember seeing a sign in Bright Horizons saying something like “You may not make much wealth, but seeing the children thrive is your reward” or something like that in staff bathroom. I understand they are for profit but not to that degree.

I think Bright Horizons are on the better end. I was thinking down a tier where the tuition is roughly the same, but the teachers are paid less and less is invested in the centers

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How in the world does the owner of a daycare afford a $4M house????

Commercial daycare that has many customers paying $$$$$ and staff is paid $. 1.17 acres so that would get the same number of units as a lot that is 25% or less the size under missing middle? That lot could have parking for 8 vehicles plus garage spaces holding 1-2 cars per unit. Lot size is unusually large but a 40,000+ sq foot lot gets the same units and vehicles as a 8000 sq foot lot?

Redfin also has a sale for it for 1m on 1/31/23 which matches the ARL county property website. $2.55m in 2023 List price started at 3.6.

https://www.redfin.com/VA/Arlington/2561-N-Vermont-St-22207/home/11230323

Aerials for the property are available https://geocortex.arlingtonva.us/Html5Viewer/Resources/3rdPartyMaps/Pictometry_public.aspx

That thing could have well over 10 units but whatever. ARL missing middle is whacky on lot sizes. Maybe it will be 8 townhouses at 1.5 m plus /unit? It could be 5 SFH at 1.8?

There are two lots:
sold for $1 - 51,062 sq ft - SFH
https://propertysearch.arlingtonva.us/Home/GeneralInformation?lrsn=6212

sold for $1.55 - 11,145 sq ft - vacant
https://propertysearch.arlingtonva.us/Home/GeneralInformation?lrsn=6213

Many options...

I don’t believe the story that neighbors questions and attitudes are driving them to build MMH. No one makes a 2.5 million decision based on a few conversations- or if they do, they aren’t very smart. With this guy’s business background, that’s unlikely. So this is his “cover” claim racism in Arlington and everyone’s got your back and no will question you. Regardless, verified home builders stayed away from this parcel; I think that says something about how hard it will to be build something and make a great profit. The lot is essentially a giant hill, it’s going to be really hard to build on that.