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Will Fenty win the DC mayoral primary against Gray?
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Anonymous
| A straw man is neither official nor formal, so accusations of fraud are misplaced. |
Anonymous
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"And if I spend more money on less of a house than I could have had elsewhere in the District so that my kids could go to a good public school, and I pay higher taxes for the "privilege", explain to me again why I should not feel entitled to the benefit of my bargain? Because I didn't get it the first time you tried to explain it to me. Seems to me that it's a lot of Gray voters who have a profound sense of over-entitlement."
You chose to live in a neighborhood with higher property taxes, better schools, and where the cost of living was higher. That was your choice. You're getting what you paid for. You are upset because you want even MORE and Gray won't give it to you. That is entitlement, my friend. You have already got what you bargained for but you want even more, more than you bargained for, and are bitter that Gray won't give it to you. Tough. |
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No, I want only what I bargained for. No more. But what Gray has stated is that he intends to divert resources from Ward 3 to other wards that he thinks need more help. That is clearly his message -- you don't have to read far between the lines to get what he's saying, despite his attempts to be as squishy with his words as possible.
But you are my friend, and I am not bitter. Because Fenty is going to win by a landslide. You are the one who sounds bitter. Sorry, but Robinhood is a story for children. Not a political reality for adults. So how about you grow up? |
Anonymous
| I meant you are NOT my friend. I avoid befriending deadbeats who want something for nothing. |
Anonymous
I think we are shitting hairs here. Venturing from a ward outside of Ward 3 to a Ward 3 straw poll and attempting to "vote" under either a name or address that is not yours is dishonest. And it makes it very difficult to accomplish the goal of a straw poll, which is to get an accurate reading of voter sentiment. So, Gray and his supporters managed to moot the results of a straw poll, and they are now trumping those results. If that's any indication of his idea of good government, I'll take a pass. |
Anonymous
So, Gray has NOT stated he intends to divert resources from Ward 3, but because you "read between the lines", you can honestly conclude that he intends to rob from you. That is what you are saying with the tired "Robin Hood" rhetoric. What exactly did Gray say? The fact is, your taxes don't go into a separate "Ward 3" pot. They go into a general fund. You don't pay a higher property tax rate, you only pay more because your property is more valuable. So stop acting as if you are footing the bill for someone else. And I appreciate how you call me a "deadbeat", wanting something for free. What assumptions are you making about me? Let me guess... you probably assume I'm poor and brown skinned and live in one of THOSE wards, trying to get something for nothing. False and false and false. I pay high property taxes and am fine with them going to improve the city as a whole, even if means helping out wards other than the one I live in. Listen, if you don't like Gray, don't vote for him, that's fine. If you think the taxes you should pay should only immediately benefit you, fine. I hope the guy down the street from you in the even bigger house, with the higher tax bill, and his kids in private schools doesn't one day take the same attitude towards you, deciding he doesn't want HIS high taxes to pay for YOUR property increases and schools that he's not using. Wamp wamp. Being bitter and imagining yourself a victim after being a long-term beneficiary of unearned privilege is SO pathetic. You might want to be more careful about how you present yourself. At least this is anonymous though. You can always rely on that to protect your weakminded vitriol. |
Anonymous
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Looks like golden boy Fenty is not immune to accusations of Fraud himself:
http://dcist.com/2010/05/fenty_outmaneuvers_gray_at_ward_8_s.php |
Anonymous
Yeah, if anything I have heard more about Ron Moten bringing in outsiders to support Fenty in the Ward 8 straw vote and this is the first I've heard about Gray bringing in outsiders to the Ward 3 vote. I'd like to know more about whether Gray was involved in bringing in people who don't live in Ward 3. Does anyone have a link to this accusation? |
Anonymous
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As long as you're not making any unfounded assumptions about me, 14:51, we're good.
Everyone knows exactly what Gray intends to do. He has never done or said anything of substance, but we listen to his squishy words and watch him squirm when asked direct questions and we know. We know he's not looking out for anyone in Wards 2 or 3, and quite probably is only looking out for himself and his buddies. Fenty looks like he's made of steel; Gray looks and talks like a wet noodle. He really should get to the gym. Weak body, weak mind. Like I said, we made a choice to spend more money on less of a house than we could have had elsewhere in the District, and tacitly agreed to pay higher taxes for this high-living lifestyle we have (not). We are entitled to the benefit of our bargain. I'll not apologize for wanting a good public education for my children. I've played by the rules, paid for it, deserve it, and will have it. And before you so naively get excited about these very early "polls", I'd ask you to review a bit of political history. Everyone thought Hillary had a lock on the nomination early on. It didn't work out too well for her, did it? And remember Dukakis, and his double-digit early lead? Didn't last long. Even McCain had a slight lead over Obama until the very end. The problem with early momentum is that you have a long time to lose it. And everyone wants to try the new flavor of the month. Problem is, it often leaves a nasty after-taste. So let's meet back here in September when I can gloat properly, OK? See ya. Wouldn't wanna be ya. |
Anonymous
At best, this article indicates that Fenty was successful at organizing people to show up and support him at a Ward 3 straw poll. As long as these people were members of Ward 8, more power to him. That's called good campaigning. What is uncool is when people from outside Ward 3 come to a Ward 3 straw poll and vote for Gray under an assumed identity or address. The fact that this happened is not in dispute, and whether Gray actually directed the manuever is irrelevant. He certainly knew about it and did nothing to discourage it. That speaks poorly for him and the people supporting him. |
Anonymous
| Excuse me. That should have been Ward 8 in the first sentence. |
Anonymous
You really just don't understand how some very basic things work. You don't pay a higher tax rate than anyone else. You only pay more because your property is more valuable. So don't act as if you opted into an area with a higher tax rate for more benefits. You didn't. To pretend you did is to flat out lie. You are welcome to want what you want. But you do not DESERVE it. Gray is not saying he doesn't care about Wards 2 and 3. Rather, he is saying that there is enough going into supporting the residents of those areas and is making sure that attention is also being paid to other wards. I love how you also wandered into some pretty outlandish ideas about how Gray's physical presence matters when it comes to his governance. Again, nonsense. And selecting a few times when early momentum petered out... how often did early momentum stay through to the end? Hm, a LOT more times than the inverse. Yet again, nonsense. Look, the fact remains is you are feeling threatened because someone is telling you maybe, JUST MAYBE, you are not going to get everything served to you on a silver platter. And you are really, REALLY scared about it. It's okay. Having to rely on your self for a bit isn't the worst thing in the world. If anything, it builds character. I get you haven't ever really had to do that and the thought terrifies you, partly because you know you probably won't be able to maintain your high level of "achievement" without standing on the backs and necks of others, but it's cool. You'll live. Take a deep breath, be thankful for all that has been bestowed upon you, and don't get angry when other people get a chance in the winner's circle every now and then. It's very unbecoming of a high-and-mighty Ward 3 resident. Barf. |
Anonymous
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Love the way you came up with soooo many examplea of where the inverse has been the case. You're about as substantive as your candidate, and with just a good grasp of the facts.
Your psyco-babble of me is really trite and boring. How much time did you waste typing that tripe? Ask yourself this: why is it that my small home in Ward 3 is considered "more valuable" than a larger home elsewhere? I'll give you the answer, since you've displayed an inability to reason clearly: it's considered more valuable because it's supposed to come with better schools, lower crime, and more amenities. It's part of a package that people like Gray want to take apart and toss out to others as they see fit. Not. Going. To. Happen. See you back here in September. I'll bring the champagne 
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You REALLY need me to give examples of candidates who lead early and went on to win? How about every OTHER candidate than the one you listed. That's like asking me to give examples of days when the sun rose in the east. Foolish.
You are wrong because you foolishly thing that because Gray does not want to EXTEND further benefits to you he wants to take things about. When did Gray say he wants to divert money from schools in Ward 3 to other schools? When did he say he wants to take away existing resources and put them elsewhere? I'll give ya a minute to make something up, because you won't find any evidence of him saying this. Gray isn't trying to take anything from you. Why are you so scared? By the way, your property is more valuable for a lot of other reasons. How many more Metro stations are there in Ward 3 than other Wards? Those certainly make a difference and require upkeep. How many more parks are there? What is the condition of the roads and sidewalks? What does the greenery look like? Most or all of that is the result of taxes. So you're paying more because you're already getting more. And you think Gray is trying to "Robin Hood" you because he wants to make sure others don't get completely cut out? The wealth disparity is going precisely because of attitudes like yours, but you act as if it's shrinking if the rate at which it grows is lessened. Get your head out of your ass and see the light. By the way, if you are REALLY worried about your property values, you'd ultimately support Gray. Even if Ward 3 stays glitzy, the devaluation of the rest of the property in the city will eventually result in the devaluation of ALL property, including Ward 3. A rising tide lifts all ships. Promoting the positive growth of the entire district will result in far more long-term benefit for your property. But, ya know, it's just easier to concoct a simple narrative where the big bad scary black socialist wants to steal all your hard-earned money, isn't it? |
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By the way, here is your logic on who will win:
Because Fenty is losing now (by as much as 70-30), he's going to win in September. WHAT?!?!?! That's like saying, "Hey guys, we're down by 50 in the first quarter. We've got them RIGHT where we want them." |