If the Ivy League had to expand, who'd join?

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Anonymous wrote:There is no reason for the Ivy League to expand.

Maybe they could let in more students.

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The mention of schools in power five conferences is a great reason not to trust the majority of advice in this forum. It’s such a basic thing about US higher ed. i

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Schools with mediocre football teams?

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Instead of expanding, what about the possibility of shrinking…? Harvard’s football is decent and the school carries the league. If it moves to one of the power 5 conferences it could be competitive. Monday is always the driver.

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Anonymous wrote:Instead of expanding, what about the possibility of shrinking…? Harvard’s football is decent and the school carries the league. If it moves to one of the power 5 conferences it could be competitive. Monday is always the driver.

I’m sure the Big10 can’t wait to welcome Harvard

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There is no reason why the Ivies need to expand in 2022.

There’s also no reason why parents need to destroy childhoods in a desperate attempt to have their kids admitted to an Ivy. As an Ivy grad, I can tell you — it ain’t worth it. There’s a plethora of good schools out there that can give students the education and networks they need to establish a strong career and live a comfortable life.

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Come on we all know the real answer: Rutgers!

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Anonymous wrote:Stanford is not leaving the Pac12 and is a possible B1G candidate, so that is out. Northwestern isn't giving up a billion dollars in athletcs money for the Ivys.

I would agree with MIT, Hopkins and Georgetown.

MIT and Hopkins would not want to start caring that much about athlete recruitment.

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Anonymous wrote:From a purely academic, cultural, and quality standpoint, and not an athletic one (which, let's be honest, is the real relevance of the Ivy League), it's: Stanford, MIT, Duke, Chicago, Northwestern, and Johns Hopkins.

Let's not get into inane hypotheticals about DI vs DIII, or bring in lesser schools just for the sake of entertaining your own personal fantasy.

So, when you eliminate athletic considerations and personal fantasies, you might as well close the thread. Too much money in athletics to be ignored, but, if you do, this becomes an exercise in "inane hypotheticals".

Reality is that: Stanford wants to join the Big Ten and would receive no benefit whatsoever academically, culturally, or qualitatively from joining the Ivy League.

Reality is that: Northwestern is in the Big Ten and sitting pretty. Again, no benefit from Ivy League membership.

Reality is that: MIT, JHU, & Chicago could all benefit from Ivy League membership. And the Big Ten is not interested in any of these three schools, so feel free to send out the invitations.

But, I get your point and, if we agree to ignore reality, then you are right. And I mean this in a polite and respectful manner--not trying to be insincere or humorous in this final paragraph.
Without big time sports, Duke ceases to exist. Athletics is a main component of Duke's culture and identity.

MIT, Hopkins and Chicago's alumni would never go for the changes to admissions that would have to take place.

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Anonymous wrote:Note to an above poster: The University of Chicago does have a football team that plays in a conference (possibly The Midwest Conference ?). Chicago plays Grinnell, Lake Forest, Knox, Concordia, and about 5 other schools.

The University of Chicago was a founding member of what is now the B1G Ten, won two mythical national titles under Coach Amos Alonzo Stagg and had the first recipient of what is now called the Heisman Trophy in Jay Berwanger who was also the first pick in the first NFL draft but never played in the league.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From a purely academic, cultural, and quality standpoint, and not an athletic one (which, let's be honest, is the real relevance of the Ivy League), it's: Stanford, MIT, Duke, Chicago, Northwestern, and Johns Hopkins.

Let's not get into inane hypotheticals about DI vs DIII, or bring in lesser schools just for the sake of entertaining your own personal fantasy.

So, when you eliminate athletic considerations and personal fantasies, you might as well close the thread. Too much money in athletics to be ignored, but, if you do, this becomes an exercise in "inane hypotheticals".

Reality is that: Stanford wants to join the Big Ten and would receive no benefit whatsoever academically, culturally, or qualitatively from joining the Ivy League.

Reality is that: Northwestern is in the Big Ten and sitting pretty. Again, no benefit from Ivy League membership.

Reality is that: MIT, JHU, & Chicago could all benefit from Ivy League membership. And the Big Ten is not interested in any of these three schools, so feel free to send out the invitations.

But, I get your point and, if we agree to ignore reality, then you are right. And I mean this in a polite and respectful manner--not trying to be insincere or humorous in this final paragraph.
Without big time sports, Duke ceases to exist. Athletics is a main component of Duke's culture and identity.

MIT, Hopkins and Chicago's alumni would never go for the changes to admissions that would have to take place.

All of this is true. Figured I’d have to come here and make the same arguments around Vandy. From an athletic perspective there is no way in hell a high academic school like Stanford, Wake, Duke, Vandy or Northwestern leaves a power 5 conference to join the weak ass Ivy League. Hopkins actually is a good fit as the Ivy matters in their most cherished sport. In the hypothetical world where the Ivy looks to add a team, and if the Big Ten takes away JHU's associate membership for lacrosse, that could happen.

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Anonymous wrote:MIT, UChicago, WashU, and Johns Hopkins are all D-3. It’s a hypothetical exercise but not sure why people keep tossing them out there.

(Uchicago, WashU, Emory, Case Western, and Carnegie Mellon are all in the same D3 athletics conference)

I was thinking the same thing, but other poaching a Patriot league team or two, seems like there only options. St Thomas (MN) is in process of moving from D3 to D1, so it's possible. Stanford, Duke, Notre Dame, etc. is completely absurd.

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U chicago

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Hopkins is the most plausible option. I'm not seeing the "revolts" from alumni and students that some have posited. If anything, given the Ivy inferiority complex many JHU grads suffer from, the student and alumni base are going to be the main ones pushing for Ivy admission.