If the Ivy League had to expand, who'd join?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is no reason why the Ivies need to expand in 2022.

There’s also no reason why parents need to destroy childhoods in a desperate attempt to have their kids admitted to an Ivy. As an Ivy grad, I can tell you — it ain’t worth it. There’s a plethora of good schools out there that can give students the education and networks they need to establish a strong career and live a comfortable life.

You are missing the point of the conversation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From a purely academic, cultural, and quality standpoint, and not an athletic one (which, let's be honest, is the real relevance of the Ivy League), it's: Stanford, MIT, Duke, Chicago, Northwestern, and Johns Hopkins.

Let's not get into inane hypotheticals about DI vs DIII, or bring in lesser schools just for the sake of entertaining your own personal fantasy.

Completely wrong take on the question.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Any college willing to join would need a major and potentially costly overhaul of their sports programs to match Ivy standards. Would probably have to be in the Northeast area for travel purposes and be fairly selective and old for the existing Ivies to allow into their brand.

William and Mary since it is one of the oldest U.S. schools and has a distinguished alumni history. Only downside is its a public not a private. Yet, Cornell is partial public so ?

[Anonymous]

God I hate stupid threads like this. The obvious candidate were there ever to be Ivy League expansion is Hopkins. No other school comes close in terms of academic prestige and location. Georgetown boosters are out of their minds. For starters, it’s a Catholic school. The Ivy League is not going to expand by adding a Catholic school, ever.

This isn’t even a real debate.

Oh, and you’re all weird AF and obsessed with colleges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any college willing to join would need a major and potentially costly overhaul of their sports programs to match Ivy standards. Would probably have to be in the Northeast area for travel purposes and be fairly selective and old for the existing Ivies to allow into their brand.

William and Mary since it is one of the oldest U.S. schools and has a distinguished alumni history. Only downside is its a public not a private. Yet, Cornell is partial public so ?

The downside is a league centered around New England with the furthest schools being Penn and Cornell. Having to put their field hockey team on a bus to Williamsburg isnt ideal. The Ivy league doesn't generate the type of revenue to justify doing that to athletes especially for schools that care about academics.

[Anonymous]

Duke switching to the Ivy League for sports is a ridiculous idea...Not sure what these posters are thinking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no reason why the Ivies need to expand in 2022.

There’s also no reason why parents need to destroy childhoods in a desperate attempt to have their kids admitted to an Ivy. As an Ivy grad, I can tell you — it ain’t worth it. There’s a plethora of good schools out there that can give students the education and networks they need to establish a strong career and live a comfortable life.

You are missing the point of the conversation.

What is the point if this conversation, exactly?

[Anonymous]

Certain schools have surpassed any potential benefit they would get from joining the Ivy League anyways. Stanford has built an incredible brand that is recognized globally on its own thanks to the emergence of tech and Silicon Valley. At this point, Stanford is more desirable than the entire Ivy League outside of Harvard so in many ways joining the Ivy League would be a disservice to Stanford. Plus, if their football becomes truly elite again, that brings a lot of culture and revenue that being in the Ivy League would ruin.

Duke is already probably better than most of the Ivy League schools academically, and it has become the basketball school in the country. Basketball is a growing sport both domestically and internationally, so Duke likely gets more benefit from having a globally recognized team than it would from being in the Ivy League. Plus its surrounding area, the Research Triangle Park, has the potential to become a new hotbed for innovation as high prices continue to cause discontent in SF. North Carolina just needs to continue growing economically and not shoot itself in the foot with bad policies.

MIT is also better than most of the Ivy Leagues anyways, and some of their major traits would make them at odds with the standard Ivy League practices. For example, they don’t admit based on legacy or major donors, which every Ivy League school does, so MIT likely doesn’t want to change that. The MIT experience is meant to be highly rigorous and quantitative - it wouldn’t make sense for them to change their standards to fit into the Ivy mold. Additionally, it has an Ivy League compatriot just a 15 minute drive away - why would it need the redundancy of two Ivy League schools in such close proximity? I think the current setup for Harvard and MIT is much better, as they complement each other well.

That leaves a few options left: Northwestern, Rice, UChicago, Johns Hopkins, Vanderbilt, and WashU. Vanderbilt would benefit from being Ivy probably, but its strong baseball program makes it likely they’d refuse to join. Northwestern is probably already academically as strong as middle-of-the-pack Ivies, so they don’t stand to gain much by joining, and their football program is solid enough to prioritize over being Ivy. So that leaves 3 schools that would be a good fit for joining the Ivy League: Johns Hopkins, UChicago, and WashU. I think Hopkins would make the most sense since it’s fairly close in proximity to the Ivy League, and it would fit in nicely with what the Ivy League already offers.

[Anonymous]

Using academic strength for this topic is absurd.
Had two services academies joined the Ivy League, would it have made them academic powerhouse?
When Rutgers was invited to join, was the school an academic powerhouse? When Penn was invited and decided to join, how strong academically the school was at the time?
If Harvard leaves the league, maybe Y, P to a less degree, would rest of the schools in the league still could maintain their USNEWS rankings, which to a large portion are based on evaluators opinions not hard data...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Certain schools have surpassed any potential benefit they would get from joining the Ivy League anyways. Stanford has built an incredible brand that is recognized globally on its own thanks to the emergence of tech and Silicon Valley. At this point, Stanford is more desirable than the entire Ivy League outside of Harvard so in many ways joining the Ivy League would be a disservice to Stanford. Plus, if their football becomes truly elite again, that brings a lot of culture and revenue that being in the Ivy League would ruin.

Duke is already probably better than most of the Ivy League schools academically, and it has become the basketball school in the country. Basketball is a growing sport both domestically and internationally, so Duke likely gets more benefit from having a globally recognized team than it would from being in the Ivy League. Plus its surrounding area, the Research Triangle Park, has the potential to become a new hotbed for innovation as high prices continue to cause discontent in SF. North Carolina just needs to continue growing economically and not shoot itself in the foot with bad policies.

MIT is also better than most of the Ivy Leagues anyways, and some of their major traits would make them at odds with the standard Ivy League practices. For example, they don’t admit based on legacy or major donors, which every Ivy League school does, so MIT likely doesn’t want to change that. The MIT experience is meant to be highly rigorous and quantitative - it wouldn’t make sense for them to change their standards to fit into the Ivy mold. Additionally, it has an Ivy League compatriot just a 15 minute drive away - why would it need the redundancy of two Ivy League schools in such close proximity? I think the current setup for Harvard and MIT is much better, as they complement each other well.

That leaves a few options left: Northwestern, Rice, UChicago, Johns Hopkins, Vanderbilt, and WashU. Vanderbilt would benefit from being Ivy probably, but its strong baseball program makes it likely they’d refuse to join. Northwestern is probably already academically as strong as middle-of-the-pack Ivies, so they don’t stand to gain much by joining, and their football program is solid enough to prioritize over being Ivy. So that leaves 3 schools that would be a good fit for joining the Ivy League: Johns Hopkins, UChicago, and WashU. I think Hopkins would make the most sense since it’s fairly close in proximity to the Ivy League, and it would fit in nicely with what the Ivy League already offers.

LOL, do you have any idea how much the new SEC media deal will be worth?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Instead of expanding, what about the possibility of shrinking…? Harvard’s football is decent and the school carries the league. If it moves to one of the power 5 conferences it could be competitive. Monday is always the driver.

FLMAO!!!!!

[Anonymous]

All the military academies
Standford
UChicago

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Duke switching to the Ivy League for sports is a ridiculous idea...Not sure what these posters are thinking.

Like, where would the competition be?? That is actually a big part of sports....

[Anonymous]

Merge with the NESCAC, form a power conference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Certain schools have surpassed any potential benefit they would get from joining the Ivy League anyways. Stanford has built an incredible brand that is recognized globally on its own thanks to the emergence of tech and Silicon Valley. At this point, Stanford is more desirable than the entire Ivy League outside of Harvard so in many ways joining the Ivy League would be a disservice to Stanford. Plus, if their football becomes truly elite again, that brings a lot of culture and revenue that being in the Ivy League would ruin.

Duke is already probably better than most of the Ivy League schools academically, and it has become the basketball school in the country. Basketball is a growing sport both domestically and internationally, so Duke likely gets more benefit from having a globally recognized team than it would from being in the Ivy League. Plus its surrounding area, the Research Triangle Park, has the potential to become a new hotbed for innovation as high prices continue to cause discontent in SF. North Carolina just needs to continue growing economically and not shoot itself in the foot with bad policies.

MIT is also better than most of the Ivy Leagues anyways, and some of their major traits would make them at odds with the standard Ivy League practices. For example, they don’t admit based on legacy or major donors, which every Ivy League school does, so MIT likely doesn’t want to change that. The MIT experience is meant to be highly rigorous and quantitative - it wouldn’t make sense for them to change their standards to fit into the Ivy mold. Additionally, it has an Ivy League compatriot just a 15 minute drive away - why would it need the redundancy of two Ivy League schools in such close proximity? I think the current setup for Harvard and MIT is much better, as they complement each other well.

That leaves a few options left: Northwestern, Rice, UChicago, Johns Hopkins, Vanderbilt, and WashU. Vanderbilt would benefit from being Ivy probably, but its strong baseball program makes it likely they’d refuse to join. Northwestern is probably already academically as strong as middle-of-the-pack Ivies, so they don’t stand to gain much by joining, and their football program is solid enough to prioritize over being Ivy. So that leaves 3 schools that would be a good fit for joining the Ivy League: Johns Hopkins, UChicago, and WashU. I think Hopkins would make the most sense since it’s fairly close in proximity to the Ivy League, and it would fit in nicely with what the Ivy League already offers.

LOL, do you have any idea how much the new SEC media deal will be worth?

I meant academically/name recognition-wise, notice that I refer to athletics right after.