Fall 2022 Over/Under-Enrollment at FCPS High Schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kids are at Chantilly HS. It is truly ridiculous. You guys complaining about West Springfield HS truly have no idea.

West springfield people are not complaining.

There is a poster from Lewis who regularly starts threads about WSHS and how they think that WSHS needs to be rezoned to Lewis. There is at least one thread started each month about this, and any time anyone starts a thread about one of the overcrowded schools like WestPo, McLean or the western high schools, they try to redirect the thread to West Springfield and Lewis.

It happens like clockwork.

No one from WSHS is complaining online about this.

Really, when there are multiple schools around 30% over capacity, the schools that are just barely over capacity should not even be part of this discussion.

For one thing, the disparity in population between Lewis and WS is unmatched by any other pair of neighboring schools that are frequently compared. Annandale vs. Woodson, Herndon vs. Langley, MVHS vs. West Potomac. MVHS would be the most similar situation, but even they have nearly 300 more students than Lewis. All the other schools such as Annandale, Herndon, Justice have 2100+ students. Lewis started the year at 1685 while WS is at 2600 and Edison at 2250. Not saying WS should be rezoned, but Lewis is clearly an outlier in size not just in FCPS but in the region. It's one of the only VHSL Class 5 schools other than TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Edison on the other side of Lewis is essentially equal enrollment at West Springfield.

Edison HS is much closer to Lewis HS than West Springfield. WS is twice as many miles as Edison to Lewis, and a more than double the driving time due to having to cross the Mixing Bowl.

Perhaps rezoning from Edison to Lewis should be your focus instead of this odd fixation on WSHS.

In terms of student driving time and limiting fcps environmental footprint, Edison to Lewis just makes more sense.

If they would just put daventry back to Lewis it would be fine. That neighborhood already is closer to Lewis than wshs. Parents just fussed. Put them at Garfield/key/Lewis.

WSES is one of the smallest elementary schools in fcps.

Remove Daventry from WSES and that school will be down to 1 or 2 classes per grade. It is a tiny elementary school.

Wasn't the administrative boundary change only for a portion of Daventry while the rest of it was already at WSHS? The fact is there are 12 people on any given FCPS SB and 3 are at large members. Garbage work from all at large board members on facilities - CIP - capacity - boundaries.

All need to be thrown out. If they don't work on major county wide stuff - program budgets, boundaries, etc , exactly what is their purpose? The SB is run by whom? Lee and Mount Vernon district?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kids are at Chantilly HS. It is truly ridiculous. You guys complaining about West Springfield HS truly have no idea.

West springfield people are not complaining.

There is a poster from Lewis who regularly starts threads about WSHS and how they think that WSHS needs to be rezoned to Lewis. There is at least one thread started each month about this, and any time anyone starts a thread about one of the overcrowded schools like WestPo, McLean or the western high schools, they try to redirect the thread to West Springfield and Lewis.

It happens like clockwork.

No one from WSHS is complaining online about this.

Really, when there are multiple schools around 30% over capacity, the schools that are just barely over capacity should not even be part of this discussion.

For one thing, the disparity in population between Lewis and WS is unmatched by any other pair of neighboring schools that are frequently compared. Annandale vs. Woodson, Herndon vs. Langley, MVHS vs. West Potomac. MVHS would be the most similar situation, but even they have nearly 300 more students than Lewis. All the other schools such as Annandale, Herndon, Justice have 2100+ students. Lewis started the year at 1685 while WS is at 2600 and Edison at 2250. Not saying WS should be rezoned, but Lewis is clearly an outlier in size not just in FCPS but in the region. It's one of the only VHSL Class 5 schools other than TJ.

Not really on point but it appears all the FCPS schools are going to be in Class 6 soon. Of course Lewis teams will continue for the most part to be uncompetitive.

https://www.vhsl.org/alignment/alignmentdistrictregion-table/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Edison on the other side of Lewis is essentially equal enrollment at West Springfield.

Edison HS is much closer to Lewis HS than West Springfield. WS is twice as many miles as Edison to Lewis, and a more than double the driving time due to having to cross the Mixing Bowl.

Perhaps rezoning from Edison to Lewis should be your focus instead of this odd fixation on WSHS.

In terms of student driving time and limiting fcps environmental footprint, Edison to Lewis just makes more sense.

If they would just put daventry back to Lewis it would be fine. That neighborhood already is closer to Lewis than wshs. Parents just fussed. Put them at Garfield/key/Lewis.

WSES is one of the smallest elementary schools in fcps.

Remove Daventry from WSES and that school will be down to 1 or 2 classes per grade. It is a tiny elementary school.

Wasn't the administrative boundary change only for a portion of Daventry while the rest of it was already at WSHS? The fact is there are 12 people on any given FCPS SB and 3 are at large members. Garbage work from all at large board members on facilities - CIP - capacity - boundaries.

All need to be thrown out. If they don't work on major county wide stuff - program budgets, boundaries, etc , exactly what is their purpose? The SB is run by whom? Lee and Mount Vernon district?

No, it was ALL of Daventry. No part of Daventry at the time was zoned for WS.

[Anonymous]

It's crazy McLean's enrollment is now almost as large as Woodson's given the disparities in facilities (both size and condition). Tholen has been a big disappointment, but maybe no one should ever have expected a Langley parent to ever do any heavy lifting on McLean's behalf. Hope she is finally gone next year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kids are at Chantilly HS. It is truly ridiculous. You guys complaining about West Springfield HS truly have no idea.

West springfield people are not complaining.

There is a poster from Lewis who regularly starts threads about WSHS and how they think that WSHS needs to be rezoned to Lewis. There is at least one thread started each month about this, and any time anyone starts a thread about one of the overcrowded schools like WestPo, McLean or the western high schools, they try to redirect the thread to West Springfield and Lewis.

It happens like clockwork.

No one from WSHS is complaining online about this.

Really, when there are multiple schools around 30% over capacity, the schools that are just barely over capacity should not even be part of this discussion.

For one thing, the disparity in population between Lewis and WS is unmatched by any other pair of neighboring schools that are frequently compared. Annandale vs. Woodson, Herndon vs. Langley, MVHS vs. West Potomac. MVHS would be the most similar situation, but even they have nearly 300 more students than Lewis. All the other schools such as Annandale, Herndon, Justice have 2100+ students. Lewis started the year at 1685 while WS is at 2600 and Edison at 2250. Not saying WS should be rezoned, but Lewis is clearly an outlier in size not just in FCPS but in the region. It's one of the only VHSL Class 5 schools other than TJ.

Not really on point but it appears all the FCPS schools are going to be in Class 6 soon. Of course Lewis teams will continue for the most part to be uncompetitive.

https://www.vhsl.org/alignment/alignmentdistrictregion-table/

Lewis actually requested for themselves to compete in Class 6, though they are technically of Class 5 size. Lewis is closer to Class 4 than to Class 6!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kids are at Chantilly HS. It is truly ridiculous. You guys complaining about West Springfield HS truly have no idea.

West springfield people are not complaining.

There is a poster from Lewis who regularly starts threads about WSHS and how they think that WSHS needs to be rezoned to Lewis. There is at least one thread started each month about this, and any time anyone starts a thread about one of the overcrowded schools like WestPo, McLean or the western high schools, they try to redirect the thread to West Springfield and Lewis.

It happens like clockwork.

No one from WSHS is complaining online about this.

Really, when there are multiple schools around 30% over capacity, the schools that are just barely over capacity should not even be part of this discussion.

For one thing, the disparity in population between Lewis and WS is unmatched by any other pair of neighboring schools that are frequently compared. Annandale vs. Woodson, Herndon vs. Langley, MVHS vs. West Potomac. MVHS would be the most similar situation, but even they have nearly 300 more students than Lewis. All the other schools such as Annandale, Herndon, Justice have 2100+ students. Lewis started the year at 1685 while WS is at 2600 and Edison at 2250. Not saying WS should be rezoned, but Lewis is clearly an outlier in size not just in FCPS but in the region. It's one of the only VHSL Class 5 schools other than TJ.

Capacity wise, Edison is essentially equal to WSHS. Both are around 5% above capacity. Edison is half the distance and over twice the driving time to Lewis as WSHS.

Rezoning a neighborhood or two from WSHS to Lewis or Edison to Lewis will not make a difference to anyone's enrollment except for Bishop Ireton and all the other Virginia Catholic high schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Edison on the other side of Lewis is essentially equal enrollment at West Springfield.

Edison HS is much closer to Lewis HS than West Springfield. WS is twice as many miles as Edison to Lewis, and a more than double the driving time due to having to cross the Mixing Bowl.

Perhaps rezoning from Edison to Lewis should be your focus instead of this odd fixation on WSHS.

In terms of student driving time and limiting fcps environmental footprint, Edison to Lewis just makes more sense.

If they would just put daventry back to Lewis it would be fine. That neighborhood already is closer to Lewis than wshs. Parents just fussed. Put them at Garfield/key/Lewis.

WSES is one of the smallest elementary schools in fcps.

Remove Daventry from WSES and that school will be down to 1 or 2 classes per grade. It is a tiny elementary school.

Wasn't the administrative boundary change only for a portion of Daventry while the rest of it was already at WSHS? The fact is there are 12 people on any given FCPS SB and 3 are at large members. Garbage work from all at large board members on facilities - CIP - capacity - boundaries.

All need to be thrown out. If they don't work on major county wide stuff - program budgets, boundaries, etc , exactly what is their purpose? The SB is run by whom? Lee and Mount Vernon district?

No, it was ALL of Daventry. No part of Daventry at the time was zoned for WS.

You are incorrect.

Daventry has always been zoned for West Springfield Elementary and Irving Middle school.

They went out of zone for high school.

Really, no elementary or middle school should be a split feeder. The pyramid zoning needs to be a direct line into the nearest high school.

All boundaries should look as close to Fairfax, Falls Church, Lewis and West Springfield as possible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Edison on the other side of Lewis is essentially equal enrollment at West Springfield.

Edison HS is much closer to Lewis HS than West Springfield. WS is twice as many miles as Edison to Lewis, and a more than double the driving time due to having to cross the Mixing Bowl.

Perhaps rezoning from Edison to Lewis should be your focus instead of this odd fixation on WSHS.

In terms of student driving time and limiting fcps environmental footprint, Edison to Lewis just makes more sense.

If they would just put daventry back to Lewis it would be fine. That neighborhood already is closer to Lewis than wshs. Parents just fussed. Put them at Garfield/key/Lewis.

WSES is one of the smallest elementary schools in fcps.

Remove Daventry from WSES and that school will be down to 1 or 2 classes per grade. It is a tiny elementary school.

Wasn't the administrative boundary change only for a portion of Daventry while the rest of it was already at WSHS? The fact is there are 12 people on any given FCPS SB and 3 are at large members. Garbage work from all at large board members on facilities - CIP - capacity - boundaries.

All need to be thrown out. If they don't work on major county wide stuff - program budgets, boundaries, etc , exactly what is their purpose? The SB is run by whom? Lee and Mount Vernon district?

No, it was ALL of Daventry. No part of Daventry at the time was zoned for WS.

You are incorrect.

Daventry has always been zoned for West Springfield Elementary and Irving Middle school.

They went out of zone for high school.

Really, no elementary or middle school should be a split feeder. The pyramid zoning needs to be a direct line into the nearest high school.

All boundaries should look as close to Fairfax, Falls Church, Lewis and West Springfield as possible.

The "you are incorrect" was meant for the poster who thought parts of Daventry was zoned for WSHS.

[Anonymous]

I suspect is any parts of WSHS are rezoned, it will be out to South Country or over to Lake Braddock.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kids are at Chantilly HS. It is truly ridiculous. You guys complaining about West Springfield HS truly have no idea.

West springfield people are not complaining.

There is a poster from Lewis who regularly starts threads about WSHS and how they think that WSHS needs to be rezoned to Lewis. There is at least one thread started each month about this, and any time anyone starts a thread about one of the overcrowded schools like WestPo, McLean or the western high schools, they try to redirect the thread to West Springfield and Lewis.

It happens like clockwork.

No one from WSHS is complaining online about this.

Really, when there are multiple schools around 30% over capacity, the schools that are just barely over capacity should not even be part of this discussion.

For one thing, the disparity in population between Lewis and WS is unmatched by any other pair of neighboring schools that are frequently compared. Annandale vs. Woodson, Herndon vs. Langley, MVHS vs. West Potomac. MVHS would be the most similar situation, but even they have nearly 300 more students than Lewis. All the other schools such as Annandale, Herndon, Justice have 2100+ students. Lewis started the year at 1685 while WS is at 2600 and Edison at 2250. Not saying WS should be rezoned, but Lewis is clearly an outlier in size not just in FCPS but in the region. It's one of the only VHSL Class 5 schools other than TJ.

Capacity wise, Edison is essentially equal to WSHS. Both are around 5% above capacity. Edison is half the distance and over twice the driving time to Lewis as WSHS.

Rezoning a neighborhood or two from WSHS to Lewis or Edison to Lewis will not make a difference to anyone's enrollment except for Bishop Ireton and all the other Virginia Catholic high schools.

+1 and at any rate, South County is also fairly under-enrolled so if they were really concerned about massive overcrowding at West Springfield, it would be easy to pick off a few neighborhoods from the southern boundaries of WS and send them to SoCo instead. Would be a much easier drive than crossing the mixing bowl in a school bus.

[Anonymous]

Does everyone see how hard WS posters are fighting the suggestions that any WS kids ever get zoned to Lewis? Any of the other surrounding schools would be fine.

That is what happens when you concentrate all of the poor and ESL students.

FCPS needs a reckoning on this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does everyone see how hard WS posters are fighting the suggestions that any WS kids ever get zoned to Lewis? Any of the other surrounding schools would be fine.

That is what happens when you concentrate all of the poor and ESL students.

FCPS needs a reckoning on this.

Sorry, but this is crazy.

There are several schools in the 30% overenrollment range.

Most of the schools are slightly below or slightly above capacity by 5% or so.

That is nominal, and an amount that will fluctuate up and down depending on class/grade size.

It is beyond silly to keep dragging WSHS into this discussion when it is in the same enrollmemt range as the majority of FCPS high schools, and when there is so much over capacity over in the other parts of the county

Focusing on one school that is at average enrollment, when there are several schools that are 30% over capacity, is really, really silly and misguided.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:WTF is TJ underenrolled?

Change it to an Academy

They expanded the school when it was renovated and now they are increasing the class sizes (there are substantially more freshmen and sophomores than juniors and seniors). In two more years it will be closer to full capacity.

I don’t think this is correct. TJ has specialized rooms like labs so capacity is lower for the same physical area compared to other high schools. Not sure that’s reflected in the cup.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kids are at Chantilly HS. It is truly ridiculous. You guys complaining about West Springfield HS truly have no idea.

West springfield people are not complaining.

There is a poster from Lewis who regularly starts threads about WSHS and how they think that WSHS needs to be rezoned to Lewis. There is at least one thread started each month about this, and any time anyone starts a thread about one of the overcrowded schools like WestPo, McLean or the western high schools, they try to redirect the thread to West Springfield and Lewis.

It happens like clockwork.

No one from WSHS is complaining online about this.

Really, when there are multiple schools around 30% over capacity, the schools that are just barely over capacity should not even be part of this discussion.

For one thing, the disparity in population between Lewis and WS is unmatched by any other pair of neighboring schools that are frequently compared. Annandale vs. Woodson, Herndon vs. Langley, MVHS vs. West Potomac. MVHS would be the most similar situation, but even they have nearly 300 more students than Lewis. All the other schools such as Annandale, Herndon, Justice have 2100+ students. Lewis started the year at 1685 while WS is at 2600 and Edison at 2250. Not saying WS should be rezoned, but Lewis is clearly an outlier in size not just in FCPS but in the region. It's one of the only VHSL Class 5 schools other than TJ.

Capacity wise, Edison is essentially equal to WSHS. Both are around 5% above capacity. Edison is half the distance and over twice the driving time to Lewis as WSHS.

Rezoning a neighborhood or two from WSHS to Lewis or Edison to Lewis will not make a difference to anyone's enrollment except for Bishop Ireton and all the other Virginia Catholic high schools.

+1 and at any rate, South County is also fairly under-enrolled so if they were really concerned about massive overcrowding at West Springfield, it would be easy to pick off a few neighborhoods from the southern boundaries of WS and send them to SoCo instead. Would be a much easier drive than crossing the mixing bowl in a school bus.

The School Board made some kids in the Edsall Park neighborhood who used to go to Annandale cross both 395 and 495 to get to Edison now.