Carjacking in Alexandria, One Dead

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The driver has to live with knowing he took a life, so that sucks. I wonder how many times the carjackers have successfully taken cars or committed other crimes with no consequences.

How many people would this bother? I am pretty sure it would not bother me if I killed people breaking into my house or car jacking me. Is that a minority view?

+1. Would not bother me in the least.

+2. Better not break into my house, there will be a consequence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I actually might judge the driver here. Not blaming her fir being a victim of a crime, but for instance if the carjackers we’re trying to steal the car while she was inside the gas station and she came out and shot them, I’m actually not happy with the driver for escalating that situation over insured personal property. There’s a school nearby, it’s the middle of the day— any time a gun is fired in a public place, there is danger of an innocent person being shot or traumatized.

If there was an altercation where the driver was directly involved and pulled the gun to protect herself, I feel differently.

But I’m not excited about the idea of people with concealed weapons (even if they are permitted) whipping out a gun to solve a problem where only their property is at risk. I don’t feel sorry for the carjackers, but a shooting like this is scary and I’d rather have a car stolen in my neighborhood than worry about getting caught in crossfire at my local gas station. If I have to pick.

FFS. So what if the car is insured. Homes are insured. Businesses are insured. Crime is rampant because it is tolerated. Thes carjackers got their just deserts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I actually might judge the driver here. Not blaming her fir being a victim of a crime, but for instance if the carjackers we’re trying to steal the car while she was inside the gas station and she came out and shot them, I’m actually not happy with the driver for escalating that situation over insured personal property. There’s a school nearby, it’s the middle of the day— any time a gun is fired in a public place, there is danger of an innocent person being shot or traumatized.

If there was an altercation where the driver was directly involved and pulled the gun to protect herself, I feel differently.

But I’m not excited about the idea of people with concealed weapons (even if they are permitted) whipping out a gun to solve a problem where only their property is at risk. I don’t feel sorry for the carjackers, but a shooting like this is scary and I’d rather have a car stolen in my neighborhood than worry about getting caught in crossfire at my local gas station. If I have to pick.

Is that what happened? (Came out to find car being driven away?) I agree that would be totally different but I didn’t see that in the article I read.

PP here and to be clear, I don’t know. The article doesn’t say one way or another. I do know that this is how most carjackings at gas stations work because it’s easier. Why force a driver out if a car when you could just take it while they are inside? I used to live in California where carjackings were fairly common and we’d get public safety instructions about this— don’t leave car unattended at pump, never leave keys in car, if you need to go inside move car to parking space and lock as normal, etc. This is why gas stations where people often pre-pay inside are more prone to carjackings. If you pay at the pump and stay with your car, it’s less likely to happen.

But no, I don’t know the details of this case. Which is why I’m not ready to say “good for her” about the driver.

If the carjackers produced a weapon of any kind and demanded her car, they are threatening her life and good for her for responding by defending herself. One less thug to terrorize law abiding citizens and hopefully other carjackers will think twice before doing this to another woman.

Why should the vast majority of us law abiding people have to constantly shift our behavior to avoid thugs who are clearly emboldened (by lack of prosecution of such crimes, at least in DC) to do this? The solution isn't for all of us to have to constantly monitor our surroundings and change our behavior. It's to lock up these criminals for long sentences when they shove a gun in someone's face (I'm writing as someone who has a friend who was pistol whipped AFTER giving up his wallet and keys without a fight. DC's AG of course refused to prosecute b/c they were 17 and 16 years old). These thugs don't care about human life. They should be behind bars. I'm glad she defended herself. More DC residents need to apply for and get their conceal carry permits and start training how to use their firearms to protect themselves.

Racism is showing. https://www.vox.com/2016/2/1/10889138/coded-language-thug-bossy

Ah, here comes the "politically correct" police.

[Anonymous]

Killing someone is definitely traumatic, even if it was justified.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I actually might judge the driver here. Not blaming her fir being a victim of a crime, but for instance if the carjackers we’re trying to steal the car while she was inside the gas station and she came out and shot them, I’m actually not happy with the driver for escalating that situation over insured personal property. There’s a school nearby, it’s the middle of the day— any time a gun is fired in a public place, there is danger of an innocent person being shot or traumatized.

If there was an altercation where the driver was directly involved and pulled the gun to protect herself, I feel differently.

But I’m not excited about the idea of people with concealed weapons (even if they are permitted) whipping out a gun to solve a problem where only their property is at risk. I don’t feel sorry for the carjackers, but a shooting like this is scary and I’d rather have a car stolen in my neighborhood than worry about getting caught in crossfire at my local gas station. If I have to pick.

Is that what happened? (Came out to find car being driven away?) I agree that would be totally different but I didn’t see that in the article I read.

PP here and to be clear, I don’t know. The article doesn’t say one way or another. I do know that this is how most carjackings at gas stations work because it’s easier. Why force a driver out if a car when you could just take it while they are inside? I used to live in California where carjackings were fairly common and we’d get public safety instructions about this— don’t leave car unattended at pump, never leave keys in car, if you need to go inside move car to parking space and lock as normal, etc. This is why gas stations where people often pre-pay inside are more prone to carjackings. If you pay at the pump and stay with your car, it’s less likely to happen.

But no, I don’t know the details of this case. Which is why I’m not ready to say “good for her” about the driver.

If the carjackers produced a weapon of any kind and demanded her car, they are threatening her life and good for her for responding by defending herself. One less thug to terrorize law abiding citizens and hopefully other carjackers will think twice before doing this to another woman.

Why should the vast majority of us law abiding people have to constantly shift our behavior to avoid thugs who are clearly emboldened (by lack of prosecution of such crimes, at least in DC) to do this? The solution isn't for all of us to have to constantly monitor our surroundings and change our behavior. It's to lock up these criminals for long sentences when they shove a gun in someone's face (I'm writing as someone who has a friend who was pistol whipped AFTER giving up his wallet and keys without a fight. DC's AG of course refused to prosecute b/c they were 17 and 16 years old). These thugs don't care about human life. They should be behind bars. I'm glad she defended herself. More DC residents need to apply for and get their conceal carry permits and start training how to use their firearms to protect themselves.

Racism is showing. https://www.vox.com/2016/2/1/10889138/coded-language-thug-bossy

From Vox

Help us out: post statistics showing the demographics of car jackers in DC and the close-in suburbs over the last 6 months.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Omg. In the article, the person called the carjacking a petty crime.

In general, the neighborhood is changing for the better, but there’s just a lot more kind of petty crime that happens, and it’s something that we have to be aware of,” said Bennett Deolaz, who lives nearby.

No she did not. Ready comprehension. She said there is a lot more petty crime, not pretty crime such as this or anything along those lines. We live close by and the general drama that clogs Nextdoor is along the lines of package theft. Then last year someone was going around stealing planters or plants out of planters. I’d assume this is the type of petty crime she is referring to? I have pages and pages on Nextdoor along these lines

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The driver has to live with knowing he took a life, so that sucks. I wonder how many times the carjackers have successfully taken cars or committed other crimes with no consequences.

How many people would this bother? I am pretty sure it would not bother me if I killed people breaking into my house or car jacking me. Is that a minority view?

This would not cause me to lose even a moment’s sleep. One (or two) less bad guy on the streets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The driver has to live with knowing he took a life, so that sucks. I wonder how many times the carjackers have successfully taken cars or committed other crimes with no consequences.

How many people would this bother? I am pretty sure it would not bother me if I killed people breaking into my house or car jacking me. Is that a minority view?

+1. Would not bother me in the least.

+2. Better not break into my house, there will be a consequence.

It only bothers me since the person defending themselves will likely need years of therapy. I feel bad for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The driver has to live with knowing he took a life, so that sucks. I wonder how many times the carjackers have successfully taken cars or committed other crimes with no consequences.

How many people would this bother? I am pretty sure it would not bother me if I killed people breaking into my house or car jacking me. Is that a minority view?

Was going to say this myself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I actually might judge the driver here. Not blaming her fir being a victim of a crime, but for instance if the carjackers we’re trying to steal the car while she was inside the gas station and she came out and shot them, I’m actually not happy with the driver for escalating that situation over insured personal property. There’s a school nearby, it’s the middle of the day— any time a gun is fired in a public place, there is danger of an innocent person being shot or traumatized.

If there was an altercation where the driver was directly involved and pulled the gun to protect herself, I feel differently.

But I’m not excited about the idea of people with concealed weapons (even if they are permitted) whipping out a gun to solve a problem where only their property is at risk. I don’t feel sorry for the carjackers, but a shooting like this is scary and I’d rather have a car stolen in my neighborhood than worry about getting caught in crossfire at my local gas station. If I have to pick.

Is that what happened? (Came out to find car being driven away?) I agree that would be totally different but I didn’t see that in the article I read.

It’s typical DCUM making up a scenario then swearing by it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I actually might judge the driver here. Not blaming her fir being a victim of a crime, but for instance if the carjackers we’re trying to steal the car while she was inside the gas station and she came out and shot them, I’m actually not happy with the driver for escalating that situation over insured personal property. There’s a school nearby, it’s the middle of the day— any time a gun is fired in a public place, there is danger of an innocent person being shot or traumatized.

If there was an altercation where the driver was directly involved and pulled the gun to protect herself, I feel differently.

But I’m not excited about the idea of people with concealed weapons (even if they are permitted) whipping out a gun to solve a problem where only their property is at risk. I don’t feel sorry for the carjackers, but a shooting like this is scary and I’d rather have a car stolen in my neighborhood than worry about getting caught in crossfire at my local gas station. If I have to pick.

Is that what happened? (Came out to find car being driven away?) I agree that would be totally different but I didn’t see that in the article I read.

PP here and to be clear, I don’t know. The article doesn’t say one way or another. I do know that this is how most carjackings at gas stations work because it’s easier. Why force a driver out if a car when you could just take it while they are inside? I used to live in California where carjackings were fairly common and we’d get public safety instructions about this— don’t leave car unattended at pump, never leave keys in car, if you need to go inside move car to parking space and lock as normal, etc. This is why gas stations where people often pre-pay inside are more prone to carjackings. If you pay at the pump and stay with your car, it’s less likely to happen.

But no, I don’t know the details of this case. Which is why I’m not ready to say “good for her” about the driver.

I don’t know about most-I know someone who was carjacked at a gas station and it WAS quite violent and I’ve read about two more where victims were injured or killed. I agree it would make more sense to steal an unattended car but these are largely senseless crimes by very young people, not people planning to sell the cars for money. Also, most people don’t go into the gas station to pay. In any case this is a sad story.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I actually might judge the driver here. Not blaming her fir being a victim of a crime, but for instance if the carjackers we’re trying to steal the car while she was inside the gas station and she came out and shot them, I’m actually not happy with the driver for escalating that situation over insured personal property. There’s a school nearby, it’s the middle of the day— any time a gun is fired in a public place, there is danger of an innocent person being shot or traumatized.

If there was an altercation where the driver was directly involved and pulled the gun to protect herself, I feel differently.

But I’m not excited about the idea of people with concealed weapons (even if they are permitted) whipping out a gun to solve a problem where only their property is at risk. I don’t feel sorry for the carjackers, but a shooting like this is scary and I’d rather have a car stolen in my neighborhood than worry about getting caught in crossfire at my local gas station. If I have to pick.

Is that what happened? (Came out to find car being driven away?) I agree that would be totally different but I didn’t see that in the article I read.

PP here and to be clear, I don’t know. The article doesn’t say one way or another. I do know that this is how most carjackings at gas stations work because it’s easier. Why force a driver out if a car when you could just take it while they are inside? I used to live in California where carjackings were fairly common and we’d get public safety instructions about this— don’t leave car unattended at pump, never leave keys in car, if you need to go inside move car to parking space and lock as normal, etc. This is why gas stations where people often pre-pay inside are more prone to carjackings. If you pay at the pump and stay with your car, it’s less likely to happen.

But no, I don’t know the details of this case. Which is why I’m not ready to say “good for her” about the driver.

I am good for her/him. Property is one of the main reasons to shoot someone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I actually might judge the driver here. Not blaming her fir being a victim of a crime, but for instance if the carjackers we’re trying to steal the car while she was inside the gas station and she came out and shot them, I’m actually not happy with the driver for escalating that situation over insured personal property. There’s a school nearby, it’s the middle of the day— any time a gun is fired in a public place, there is danger of an innocent person being shot or traumatized.

If there was an altercation where the driver was directly involved and pulled the gun to protect herself, I feel differently.

But I’m not excited about the idea of people with concealed weapons (even if they are permitted) whipping out a gun to solve a problem where only their property is at risk. I don’t feel sorry for the carjackers, but a shooting like this is scary and I’d rather have a car stolen in my neighborhood than worry about getting caught in crossfire at my local gas station. If I have to pick.

Is that what happened? (Came out to find car being driven away?) I agree that would be totally different but I didn’t see that in the article I read.

PP here and to be clear, I don’t know. The article doesn’t say one way or another. I do know that this is how most carjackings at gas stations work because it’s easier. Why force a driver out if a car when you could just take it while they are inside? I used to live in California where carjackings were fairly common and we’d get public safety instructions about this— don’t leave car unattended at pump, never leave keys in car, if you need to go inside move car to parking space and lock as normal, etc. This is why gas stations where people often pre-pay inside are more prone to carjackings. If you pay at the pump and stay with your car, it’s less likely to happen.

But no, I don’t know the details of this case. Which is why I’m not ready to say “good for her” about the driver.

I am good for her/him. Property is one of the main reasons to shoot someone.

No, that's completely illegal. Common law let us protect our homes with lethal force because if someone is breaking into your home, they are more likely to hurt you. You can defend your life or the life another. You can't lawfully defend property by killing the thief.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The driver has to live with knowing he took a life, so that sucks. I wonder how many times the carjackers have successfully taken cars or committed other crimes with no consequences.

How many people would this bother? I am pretty sure it would not bother me if I killed people breaking into my house or car jacking me. Is that a minority view?

This would not cause me to lose even a moment’s sleep. One (or two) less bad guy on the streets.

Really? I would feel justified in defending myself, but I would absolutely lose sleep over it and would probably be traumatized for quite some time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The driver has to live with knowing he took a life, so that sucks. I wonder how many times the carjackers have successfully taken cars or committed other crimes with no consequences.

How many people would this bother? I am pretty sure it would not bother me if I killed people breaking into my house or car jacking me. Is that a minority view?

Was going to say this myself.

I recall an incident in Loudoun where a homeowner shot an intruder. Turned out to be a neighborhood teenager who mistook the house for his own. That wouldn’t traumatize you?