Savannah Guthrie’s mom is missing, suspect kidnapping

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that the kidnappers haven’t been back in touch to say we really mean it this time. Send the money. Or can’t provide proof of life, sadly means she is dead. Why would the kidnappers keep her alive for days and days and not communicate one way or another. Heart breaking.

I don’t believe she was kidnapped. I think someone was hired to kill her and make it look like a kidnapping.

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What would be the motive for a hired killing of her mother?

Ask Annie and Tommaso.

Please stop with this. People like you are ruining the lives of people who may well be innocent and are already facing unspeakable tragedy and stress.

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Anonymous wrote:I read a helicopter equipped with technology to find her pacemaker has been flying around but it would need to get pretty close to ping. I’m wondering if it would work only if she’s alive or if it could ping if it’s no longer functioning.

It will still ping. Pacemakers remain active after death until they are deactivated after death with special devices, which hospice nurses and hospital staff have access to.

If the person is cremated, you have to remove it because the battery could explode.

What if the person is buried in the ground? Can a helicopter pick up a signal?

Bluetooth can be picked up in a buried phone or device, but I'm sure it depends on things like how deep and the soil conditions.

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Is it verified by a reputable news source that they did not pay the ransom? Or is everyone just assuming that because we didn't hear a report that they did in fact pay?

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that the kidnappers haven’t been back in touch to say we really mean it this time. Send the money. Or can’t provide proof of life, sadly means she is dead. Why would the kidnappers keep her alive for days and days and not communicate one way or another. Heart breaking.

I don’t believe she was kidnapped. I think someone was hired to kill her and make it look like a kidnapping.

Sorry, messed up quoting.

What would be the motive for a hired killing of her mother?

Ask Annie and Tommaso.

Please stop with this. People like you are ruining the lives of people who may well be innocent and are already facing unspeakable tragedy and stress.

+1 cruel and not necessary

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At what point do they get back to their normal lives? At this point it seems highly unlikely that she will ever be found.

Right? I doubt Savanah will be back on air anytime soon. She will need a bit to recover. Hoda came back to fill in her anchor spot. And I don't watch the Today Show normally. I just checked in these past two weeks.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it verified by a reputable news source that they did not pay the ransom? Or is everyone just assuming that because we didn't hear a report that they did in fact pay?

It seemed all of the ransoms were in fact fake.

I feel like we should’ve known because who sends a ransom to TMZ of all places.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that the kidnappers haven’t been back in touch to say we really mean it this time. Send the money. Or can’t provide proof of life, sadly means she is dead. Why would the kidnappers keep her alive for days and days and not communicate one way or another. Heart breaking.

This I believe proves it was not a kidnapping. I think the public started sending ransom notes on their own and it was believed by the Sheriff and spun from there.

So then what is it? If you are saying it's a murder-for-hire, who would want her dead? And how would a professional killer be dumb enough to leave her blood on the front steps?

There’s blood on the porch was not an urgent matter to the Sheriff which could mean it was old blood. He also in Friday’s interview said it’s not his departments responsibility to clean it up.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that the kidnappers haven’t been back in touch to say we really mean it this time. Send the money. Or can’t provide proof of life, sadly means she is dead. Why would the kidnappers keep her alive for days and days and not communicate one way or another. Heart breaking.

This I believe proves it was not a kidnapping. I think the public started sending ransom notes on their own and it was believed by the Sheriff and spun from there.

So then what is it? If you are saying it's a murder-for-hire, who would want her dead? And how would a professional killer be dumb enough to leave her blood on the front steps?

If someone wants her dead, why bother actually moving her body and hiding it? Why not just make it look like she died in her sleep and leave her there? That would be much easier and believable given age, health, and the fact she lived alone.

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Anonymous wrote:Something is weird about this whole case.

I fear something has already happened to her.

Her family knows something.

This is scary and frightening.

Scary AND frightening? Wow, it really is bad.

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Anonymous wrote:I read a helicopter equipped with technology to find her pacemaker has been flying around but it would need to get pretty close to ping. I’m wondering if it would work only if she’s alive or if it could ping if it’s no longer functioning.

It will still ping. Pacemakers remain active after death until they are deactivated after death with special devices, which hospice nurses and hospital staff have access to.

If the person is cremated, you have to remove it because the battery could explode.

What if the person is buried in the ground? Can a helicopter pick up a signal?

Bluetooth can be picked up in a buried phone or device, but I'm sure it depends on things like how deep and the soil conditions.

Due to the ground/soil in Tucson it’s very very difficult to dig a hole without significant machinery. It is much easier to drive someone out into the desert and dump them off a small road. I once had to go someplace that was about 5-10 miles past the desert museum and it was so creepy — we didn’t see any other cars and there was just nothing for miles around with many small roads and nothing llle security cameras. You could be someplace like that within 30 minutes. I’m increasingly thinking this was a botched burglary and they drove the body out to the desert that night. Ita so awful and I’m so sorry for the family but it’s kinda better to think it was a quick death that night rather than weeks in fear and pain.

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Anonymous wrote:If she were not a news celebrity's mother, would we hear about it all day, and I mean all day? I do not remember this much coverage for children who go missing- beyond a few days, and there are children who go missing that we never hear about. It certainly an odd case, and there are so many questions, but it remains at the top of the news cycle.

most kids who go missing are taken by parents. Very few people are snatched out of their beds in the middle of the night and disappear into thin air. I think that’s a huge part of why this is getting so much attention.

Have you heard of human trafficking? Those missing kids need to be saved and need media attention. This is an upsetting story, but it's getting to the point the supremacy of privilege is too much. Yes, I want to know the resolution, and I care about the well-being of this woman and pray she is alive. Just let us all know what happened when it is solved and perhaps do a story of anything we can do to keep our parents safe if it even applies to the rest of us if isn't just some awful criminal who watched the segment of Savannah visiting mom on TV and decided this would be a easy way to make money.

Trafficked children are not snatched from their beds in the middle of the night. Traffickers do not want to attract any attention so they focus on luring in children who are "off the radar," meaning they get runaways or homeless children to voluntarily go somewhere with them. Even in other countries, they heavily rely on tactics like convincing very poor parents to sell their children to the trafficker.

A lot of trafficked girls are groomed by slightly older boyfriends. A 15 year old with a 19 or 22 year old boyfriend, for example. Even the local news feeds are full of missing teen girls (mostly Latina) who left voluntarily late at night—presumably to meet up with a boyfriend. I didn’t realize how common it was until a girl from my kids HS went missing and then I looked at all the posts on the local police department feed. It is really scary.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If she were not a news celebrity's mother, would we hear about it all day, and I mean all day? I do not remember this much coverage for children who go missing- beyond a few days, and there are children who go missing that we never hear about. It certainly an odd case, and there are so many questions, but it remains at the top of the news cycle.

most kids who go missing are taken by parents. Very few people are snatched out of their beds in the middle of the night and disappear into thin air. I think that’s a huge part of why this is getting so much attention.

Have you heard of human trafficking? Those missing kids need to be saved and need media attention. This is an upsetting story, but it's getting to the point the supremacy of privilege is too much. Yes, I want to know the resolution, and I care about the well-being of this woman and pray she is alive. Just let us all know what happened when it is solved and perhaps do a story of anything we can do to keep our parents safe if it even applies to the rest of us if isn't just some awful criminal who watched the segment of Savannah visiting mom on TV and decided this would be a easy way to make money.

Trafficked children are not snatched from their beds in the middle of the night. Traffickers do not want to attract any attention so they focus on luring in children who are "off the radar," meaning they get runaways or homeless children to voluntarily go somewhere with them. Even in other countries, they heavily rely on tactics like convincing very poor parents to sell their children to the trafficker.

A lot of trafficked girls are groomed by slightly older boyfriends. A 15 year old with a 19 or 22 year old boyfriend, for example. Even the local news feeds are full of missing teen girls (mostly Latina) who left voluntarily late at night—presumably to meet up with a boyfriend. I didn’t realize how common it was until a girl from my kids HS went missing and then I looked at all the posts on the local police department feed. It is really scary.

Exactly- a 15 year old leaving voluntarily is classified as a runaway. They convince the girls to run away by grooming them, and they are able to groom them because they do not have a lot of supervision, or maybe not a lot of friends at school, etc etc. This is not blaming the girls or the families , obviously. But they target girls who will be easy to spend time with and who will be easy to convince to run away. Not girls who are the captain of the soccer team with a stay at home mom. Those girls don’t have the free time, don’t have the lack of supervision, and are enmeshed in their school/ sports community and would be harder to lure. The 15 year old who immigrated recently whose mom works 16 hours a day and who doesn’t have many friends, doesn’t play sports, isn’t a great student- that girl is much easier to lure without anyone noticing.

This is awful but is there a “market”, for lack of a better word, for elderly women too?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fact that the kidnappers haven’t been back in touch to say we really mean it this time. Send the money. Or can’t provide proof of life, sadly means she is dead. Why would the kidnappers keep her alive for days and days and not communicate one way or another. Heart breaking.

I don’t believe she was kidnapped. I think someone was hired to kill her and make it look like a kidnapping.

Sorry, messed up quoting.

What would be the motive for a hired killing of her mother?

Ask Annie and Tommaso.

Please stop with this. People like you are ruining the lives of people who may well be innocent and are already facing unspeakable tragedy and stress.

+100

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If she were not a news celebrity's mother, would we hear about it all day, and I mean all day? I do not remember this much coverage for children who go missing- beyond a few days, and there are children who go missing that we never hear about. It certainly an odd case, and there are so many questions, but it remains at the top of the news cycle.

most kids who go missing are taken by parents. Very few people are snatched out of their beds in the middle of the night and disappear into thin air. I think that’s a huge part of why this is getting so much attention.

Have you heard of human trafficking? Those missing kids need to be saved and need media attention. This is an upsetting story, but it's getting to the point the supremacy of privilege is too much. Yes, I want to know the resolution, and I care about the well-being of this woman and pray she is alive. Just let us all know what happened when it is solved and perhaps do a story of anything we can do to keep our parents safe if it even applies to the rest of us if isn't just some awful criminal who watched the segment of Savannah visiting mom on TV and decided this would be a easy way to make money.

Trafficked children are not snatched from their beds in the middle of the night. Traffickers do not want to attract any attention so they focus on luring in children who are "off the radar," meaning they get runaways or homeless children to voluntarily go somewhere with them. Even in other countries, they heavily rely on tactics like convincing very poor parents to sell their children to the trafficker.

A lot of trafficked girls are groomed by slightly older boyfriends. A 15 year old with a 19 or 22 year old boyfriend, for example. Even the local news feeds are full of missing teen girls (mostly Latina) who left voluntarily late at night—presumably to meet up with a boyfriend. I didn’t realize how common it was until a girl from my kids HS went missing and then I looked at all the posts on the local police department feed. It is really scary.

Exactly- a 15 year old leaving voluntarily is classified as a runaway. They convince the girls to run away by grooming them, and they are able to groom them because they do not have a lot of supervision, or maybe not a lot of friends at school, etc etc. This is not blaming the girls or the families , obviously. But they target girls who will be easy to spend time with and who will be easy to convince to run away. Not girls who are the captain of the soccer team with a stay at home mom. Those girls don’t have the free time, don’t have the lack of supervision, and are enmeshed in their school/ sports community and would be harder to lure. The 15 year old who immigrated recently whose mom works 16 hours a day and who doesn’t have many friends, doesn’t play sports, isn’t a great student- that girl is much easier to lure without anyone noticing.

This is awful but is there a “market”, for lack of a better word, for elderly women too?

No.

If people want to take advantage of the elderly for financial gain it is much easier just to scam them--financial scams or romance scams.

[Anonymous]

Update: DNA found on glove matching subject in doorbell footage. The glove was recovered in a field by the side of the road approx 2 miles and appears to match the gloves worn by abducted