Lively/Baldoni Lawsuit Part 2
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Anonymous
NP. I'm not following this super closely, but the pattern of offensive behavior toward women on two different sets plus the timing of hiring someone to "shine a light on BL and RR" right when the complaints about Baldoni started coming out (suggesting retaliation) seems to constitute a credible case. I'll be very curious to see how it plays out. I'm not a lawyer of course, but I don't understand the independent contractor argument. If she fulfilled the duties of executive producer, and was credited as such, she's an employee of the production company (Sony), right? Please clarify if I'm missing how this works in employment laws. Also, is this a point Baldoni's lawyers are pursuing or just something being tossed around on social media? |
Anonymous
Yes, they were afraid RR and BL would try destroy their careers and lives too! Those people are sick narcissists |
Anonymous
That argument doesn't hold water and I suspect you know it. The prior set complaints were on the record well before Blake stepped on set! |
Anonymous
This has been explained many times on this thread. There isn’t really a strong pattern of offensive behavior. Blake and Jenny clearly had a problem with Baldoni and Heath but people are doubting whether it will meet the definition of sexual harassment. A lot of Blake’s claims have fallen apart now that we’ve seen video and text message and documentation, etc. Jenny’s claims were very vague and didn’t seem to be about SH. Claire A never actually met Baldoni, she worked with wayfarer on another project and there was disagreement on set, but not harassment claims. Liz worked with Justin on 124 episodes ever several years of their man enough podcast, dramatically quitting when the New York Times article hit, and then partnering in a production company with Ryan Reynolds so it looks a little suspect Isabel seem to really like Justin as video and text show, admitting in her deposition that she didn’t have a problem onset, but then later revisiting things had problems. This looks sketchy because Blake styled her, had her over for sleepovers, flew her to private events, and pushed for her to get an introducing credit. Colleen Hoover also seemed to be fine with Justin until Blake got involved. Admitting in her deposition when asked why she unfollowed Justin, she said because Blake told me too. Blake didn’t seem to have a lot of substance so she tried to pump up the volume of claims, but they tend to fall apart. The main question I have is why she was referring to Justin with such distain very early on, mocking him to others, calling him names, etc., all while leaving him very flattering voice notes, and texts as if they were really close - and this was before she had any allegations so just not sure why she hated him so much from the start. and that really has me questioning this whole case. |
Anonymous
Wait. Claire Ayoub definitely met Justin. The disagreement on her set was with Justin. One of Jenny's claims was Justin calling actresses (including Jenny) "sexy" on set even after Jenny had told him it was inappropriate to do so. That is definitely related to SH. You didn't mention Alex Saks. Also Colleen testified that her issues with Justin started before she'd ever even had a conversation with Blake. I think it's more nuanced than you are presenting. I don't know if Blake really has a case or not and am waiting to see what the judge decides on the summary judgment motion, but it's not as lopsided as you are presenting it. There were definitely multiple women who were uncomfortable around Justin or felt his behavior was, at minimum, sexist. You can be sexist or hard to work with and not sexually harass someone, of course. But this case seems to come down to a matter of degree and interpretation. |
Anonymous
Heath testified under oath that Baldoni was not removed from another set. I believe that Claire wrote in his affidavit that he raised his voice, which is not sexual harassment |
Anonymous
What you describe above is not actionable as sexual harassment or hostile work place. |
Anonymous
Baldoni raising his voice with other women (Claire, Alex Saks) and admitting in an email apology to Alex Saks after one such occasion that he has been struggling with conflict with women, specifically, is relevant to whether what happened with Blake was sexual harassment and retaliation, though. It shows someone who struggles to work with women and listen to them. It shows a pattern of negative behavior towards women on sets, and supports Blake's assertion that Baldoni would not have done the things he did to/with her to a man. I think a lot of people have the mistaken impression that sexual harassment is limited to hitting on a coworker or touching them inappropriately. Those things can definitely be sexual harassment, but so can showing someone explicit videos, making gender or sex-based comments, walking in on a colleague while they are undressed, etc., if the behavior is unwanted and makes the other person feel uncomfortable or makes it difficult for them to do their job. |
Anonymous
NP. We'll see what the judge says, but formal complaints were made by a number of women who are on the record describing specific incidents and saying working with him was horrible (some even saying it was the worst professional experience they'd ever had). Anyway, there's no point in arguing with Justin stans who incessantly cherrypick and make sweeping assertions based on nothing. |
Anonymous
Thank you for the clear explanation. And the fact that formal complaints were lodged on two separate sets absolutely matters. |
Anonymous
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The Baldoni calling Blake sexy is not a strong claim for SH.
There are now multiple documents showing Sony wanted more sex scenes, wanted more heat, wanted reshoots because Blake had not lost the baby weight. They wanted in R rating. They wanted to give audiences what they were expecting from the book, which is packed with sex scenes. The Sony exec Ange’s main feedback was that the movie did not have a compelling reason for audiences to believe that Blake’s character would have stayed with Justin’s character after the abuse. She said they needed to show passion etc because that makes it plausible lily would have ignored the red flags and stayed with him. Otherwise, the audience just wouldn’t accept it. It was good feedback but the point is there were multiple people other than Justin putting pressure for it to be sexier. Blake and Jenny themselves use that word so for justin to use it and all of a sudden it be SH falls flat. If Blake did not want to do a movie with these kinds of scenes she should not have signed on. Maybe if she had read the book she would’ve known better. |
Anonymous
He also raise his voice to men occasionally, therefore, not sexual harassment. You forgot the part of the definition of sexual harassment that requires behavior to be limited to one gender. Similarly. health showed the birthing video to men, therefore not sexual harassment. |
Anonymous
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I guess that Blake bots REALLY don’t want to talk about the fact that she lied again about the dancing scene, because she consented to the kiss.
Every day another Blake lie revealed. Plaintiffs with credibility issues don’t do well with juries. |
Anonymous
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If Blake Lively was being harassed within an inch of her weave why did all of the released texts substantiate only that she, her arsonist husband, and her bestie were scheming and insulting Baldoni? Jeez. Where were the real time descriptions of harassment?
Where are the impassioned notes by Swift and Reynolds about this vile act or that gross grope? Where are they? Is this like the Unscramble game on a diner placemat, so you have to swap letters in “acting like a little bch” “doofus director” to spell “JB moaned and shifted his junk while he drooled on Lively’s innocent breastfeeding form and hissed how hot she is”? This will never go away for BL. She’s just a liar, and a plotter, and her communications with Swift in particular reaffirm every fear socially normal individuals with generally honest character about interacting with old for the behavior mean girls. They are not children! Trey have not been victims of scurrilous abuse in their industries. That’s all bullsh!t. It won’t go away. There is no explanation beyond “she lied.” |
Anonymous
| Can we ignore the poster rejecting all the hostile work environment evidence? She reasons like a child and it's not worth anyone's time to argue with a simple brick wall. |