Biden's VP?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Two Biden campaign officials, who has asked to remain anonymous because they are not authorized to speak on the matter publicly, said Biden is deciding between Kamala Harris and Kamala Harris.


To Joe, I could see that is a real conundrum
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Although I put nothing past her, I just think she’s an ineffective rookie legislator with zero power.
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Yeah, Kamala is more of a pop-culture icon or celebrity than a legislator. She has two routes at this point.
1- Stay in the Senate and try and build a substantial legislative agenda. She is ON pretty prestigious committees (judiciary, budget, and intel) so she has a lot of opportunity to make some change. Then use this as a platform for a run in 2024 or 2028
2- Join the Biden Admin as AG. Build on that prosecutorial background. Make lots of noise prosecuting Trump and Co. Go after Tech Monopolies and Wall street. Than use this experience as a platform for a run in 2024.

VP would not be a good choice. She would not provide anything to the ticket and the ticket won't provide anything to her.


You mean like the VP slot provided nothing to Biden?

If I’m not mistaken - he was someone else’s VP. As for what she’ll give as VP - the sheer amount of incompetence and corruption from the Trump appointees has been egregious. As the VP with an active presence in Congress and a attorney general background, she’ll set that right.

Which I imagine terrifies certain Cheeto bootlickers.


I think that the Biden-Obama relationship is different. Obama was a political newcomer that picked Biden to give the ticket more experience, particularly in foreign policy. He also needed to appeal to more conservative white voters.

The type that Kamala appeals to is upper middle class suburbanites and black Americans, who are already going to vote for Biden.

Your point about terrifying Trump and his appointees is correct. However, as VP, Harris wouldn't be in charge of this. She would have more influence as AG or as Vice Chair of the Judiciary Committee.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Although I put nothing past her, I just think she’s an ineffective rookie legislator with zero power.
\

Yeah, Kamala is more of a pop-culture icon or celebrity than a legislator. She has two routes at this point.
1- Stay in the Senate and try and build a substantial legislative agenda. She is ON pretty prestigious committees (judiciary, budget, and intel) so she has a lot of opportunity to make some change. Then use this as a platform for a run in 2024 or 2028
2- Join the Biden Admin as AG. Build on that prosecutorial background. Make lots of noise prosecuting Trump and Co. Go after Tech Monopolies and Wall street. Than use this experience as a platform for a run in 2024.

VP would not be a good choice. She would not provide anything to the ticket and the ticket won't provide anything to her.


You mean like the VP slot provided nothing to Biden?

If I’m not mistaken - he was someone else’s VP. As for what she’ll give as VP - the sheer amount of incompetence and corruption from the Trump appointees has been egregious. As the VP with an active presence in Congress and a attorney general background, she’ll set that right.

Which I imagine terrifies certain Cheeto bootlickers.


I think that the Biden-Obama relationship is different. Obama was a political newcomer that picked Biden to give the ticket more experience, particularly in foreign policy. He also needed to appeal to more conservative white voters.

The type that Kamala appeals to is upper middle class suburbanites and black Americans, who are already going to vote for Biden.

Your point about terrifying Trump and his appointees is correct. However, as VP, Harris wouldn't be in charge of this. She would have more influence as AG or as Vice Chair of the Judiciary Committee.


+1 excellent analysis
Anonymous
Previous poster here, Do not get me wrong, I am a huge fan of Kamala. I even volunteered on her senate campaign when I was in college. I just think that the VP slot is not right for her.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Previous poster here, Do not get me wrong, I am a huge fan of Kamala. I even volunteered on her senate campaign when I was in college. I just think that the VP slot is not right for her.

I wrote the post about Kamala being AG, not the literal previous post
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Anonymous wrote:Previous poster here, Do not get me wrong, I am a huge fan of Kamala. I even volunteered on her senate campaign when I was in college. I just think that the VP slot is not right for her.

I wrote the post about Kamala being AG, not the literal previous post


I disagree that the VP slot is wrong for her. But then again I was for Obama from the moment he announced and was sure he would win, even when other Democrats were arguing against his 'inexperience'. He should wait they said. How wrong they were.

As for Kamala, the points that worked for the Obama-Biden relationship, also work for a Biden-Harris relationship.

First off, I've never seen a President/Vice President administration that worked so well together that it was never, not once, considered adversarial. They were a team with a healthy friendship and a ticket built on respect.

Second, where Obama was weak on foreign policy Biden's credentials more than made up for it. In the same manner, Biden is weak on jurisprudence and we need that to clean up the Trump mess. According to your aguement though Biden would have better served Obama as Secretary of State.

Third, Harris is ready from Day One as VP. Just as Biden was. She is skilled in legal matters and legislative matters. Biden has a lot cut out for him to correct the sinking ship that is the United States. The COVID-19 pandemic absolutely takes precedence. But what about the kids in cages down at the Mexico border? If I was Biden I would trust that I can send Harris to handle it and dismantle all of that legally without worry. Could you send Stacey Abrams (no legal degree or legislative experience) or Duckworth (maybe)??

No, he needs a strong VP who can do everything, bridge divides, and has a background only Harris has.


Anonymous
Apologies - Stacey does have a legal degree.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Another update: Joe really isn't sure and will conduct 5-6 one-on-ones rather than the usual 3. Allies are concerned the delay has intensified jockeying, and pitted women against each other. Sigh.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bidens-delay-in-choosing-a-vp-intensifies-jockeying-between-potential-picks/2020/08/02/6eea5068-d4d2-11ea-930e-d88518c57dcc_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-low_bidenveep-755pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans



Ridiculous. These women need to rise above it and stop fitting the stereotype. They need to remember that they are already leading by example. Handle it like a professional.
Anonymous
Kamala stabbed Joe in the back during the debates. During the most fractured moment in politics that America had seen. We needed a unified democratic front against Trump more than anything. Not “just politics”. People who didn’t know her were introduced to her that way. When given the opportunity to address it, she dismissed it. Sorry, it’s fine to take that to AG but she clearly has her own agenda, and it is t necessarily to follow Joe. Ambition is good but she is hungry and that is different. Swarming a thread with pictures reduces her intelligence to eye candy, and that isn’t enough. What side deal has she promised someone? I wouldn’t put it past her. Because that’s politics. And that is what we don’t want after Trump!!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Although I put nothing past her, I just think she’s an ineffective rookie legislator with zero power.
\

Yeah, Kamala is more of a pop-culture icon or celebrity than a legislator. She has two routes at this point.
1- Stay in the Senate and try and build a substantial legislative agenda. She is ON pretty prestigious committees (judiciary, budget, and intel) so she has a lot of opportunity to make some change. Then use this as a platform for a run in 2024 or 2028
2- Join the Biden Admin as AG. Build on that prosecutorial background. Make lots of noise prosecuting Trump and Co. Go after Tech Monopolies and Wall street. Than use this experience as a platform for a run in 2024.

VP would not be a good choice. She would not provide anything to the ticket and the ticket won't provide anything to her.


You mean like the VP slot provided nothing to Biden?

If I’m not mistaken - he was someone else’s VP. As for what she’ll give as VP - the sheer amount of incompetence and corruption from the Trump appointees has been egregious. As the VP with an active presence in Congress and a attorney general background, she’ll set that right.

Which I imagine terrifies certain Cheeto bootlickers.


I think that the Biden-Obama relationship is different. Obama was a political newcomer that picked Biden to give the ticket more experience, particularly in foreign policy. He also needed to appeal to more conservative white voters.

The type that Kamala appeals to is upper middle class suburbanites and black Americans, who are already going to vote for Biden.

Your point about terrifying Trump and his appointees is correct. However, as VP, Harris wouldn't be in charge of this. She would have more influence as AG or as Vice Chair of the Judiciary Committee.


+1 excellent analysis


NP. I agree, spot on. It is a head scratcher as to why she wouldn’t do both. There are so many hats in the ring, and every advocacy on her focuses on legal, prosecuting, etc. A VP isn’t a lawyer. And shouldn’t be. I remember Obama saying that by the time a problem comes to him, there is no easy answer, it is the most difficult problem potentially on earth. Scientists, lawyers, advisors, mathematicians, historians, analysts, experts, researchers have worked to exhaustion on it already. That judgment and character you have matters. There are no easy decisions. I’ve always thought Kamala could strengthen her reputation outside of her circle and cast down any argument against her character, and the more she is boosted for her legal skills, the more I want her to use them to get Trump and Co. it seems like she has that in the bag.

But that aside, agree with her wisest moves and placement as AG being strongest assignment for the country and our needs today.

I really want to hear more about Grisham. She has a natural charisma, and her history in advocacy is appealing to both black and Hispanic voters. Is she able to work across the aisle? How does she compare to Bass in problem solving? Would any of these candidates be willing to implement ideas from other party members? I remember Warren saying on the debate stage, we all agree on where we need to go but we just have differences on how to get there.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Kamala stabbed Joe in the back during the debates. During the most fractured moment in politics that America had seen. We needed a unified democratic front against Trump more than anything. Not “just politics”. People who didn’t know her were introduced to her that way. When given the opportunity to address it, she dismissed it. Sorry, it’s fine to take that to AG but she clearly has her own agenda, and it is t necessarily to follow Joe. Ambition is good but she is hungry and that is different. Swarming a thread with pictures reduces her intelligence to eye candy, and that isn’t enough. What side deal has she promised someone? I wouldn’t put it past her. Because that’s politics. And that is what we don’t want after Trump!!


She immediately used her Senate seat as a platform to run for president, will do the same with VP if she's chosen. Ambition is fine, but show you can keep your head down and do the work first. Like AOC, who threads the needle well. Joe can't trust her to do that, and he needs a governing partner. I don't see that she helps him in any meaningful way as VP, agree she should stay in the Senate or take AG.
Anonymous
i want Warren.

But will vote blue no matter who.
Anonymous
He should pick Joe Manchin to troll everyone, including Trump.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:i want Warren.

But will vote blue no matter who.


Warren deserved the top spot, but I don't think she's the right no. 2 for Joe. Like Susan Rice, too easy to demonize by the right.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Another update: Joe really isn't sure and will conduct 5-6 one-on-ones rather than the usual 3. Allies are concerned the delay has intensified jockeying, and pitted women against each other. Sigh.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bidens-delay-in-choosing-a-vp-intensifies-jockeying-between-potential-picks/2020/08/02/6eea5068-d4d2-11ea-930e-d88518c57dcc_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-low_bidenveep-755pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans



Ridiculous. These women need to rise above it and stop fitting the stereotype. They need to remember that they are already leading by example. Handle it like a professional.


Yep, blame the woman. That's not sexist!
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