Johnny Depp trial in Fairfax County

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To the attorneys here. Do attorneys lie? Rhetorical question probably, but what's your opinion.

In this particular case, he was misrepresenting the substance of both Kate Moss and Amber Heard’s testimony.

[Anonymous]

Is Ben Chew actually instructing the jury how to fill out the jury forms!?!?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:His use of #metoo as a weapon, to say that a woman must be lying about abuse if no one else comes forward to say they were also abused by the same person, is deeply offensive and misogynistic.

Ben chew has said several damaging things to women in general

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:His use of #metoo as a weapon, to say that a woman must be lying about abuse if no one else comes forward to say they were also abused by the same person, is deeply offensive and misogynistic.

Ben chew has said several damaging things to women in general

Basically he’s saying unless a woman has domestic violence on audio or video it never happened. Also way to go with the emotional voice breaking Ben Chew.

[Anonymous]

Wth did Chew just say? No one needs to file a restraining order when the abuser is filming in another location for months. Who tf does he think he is! He should be called out for using me too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To the attorneys here. Do attorneys lie? Rhetorical question probably, but what's your opinion.

In this particular case, he was misrepresenting the substance of both Kate Moss and Amber Heard’s testimony.

Definitely
Misrepresented moss’ testimony. But it’s rare to interrupt a closing argument and since the instructions say the closing isn’t evidence, there is leeway.

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Anonymous wrote:Is Camille married, engaged, does she have any kids? She has an immature disposition that seems much younger than her 37 y/o age, which usually means no kids, no married.

Law firm life generally not conducive to rearing children for women. She’s 37?

Quick google says she's 38*, not 37. I don't see anything about kids or spouse.

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Anonymous wrote:To the attorneys here. Do attorneys lie? Rhetorical question probably, but what's your opinion.

In this particular case, he was misrepresenting the substance of both Kate Moss and Amber Heard’s testimony.

Definitely
Misrepresented moss’ testimony. But it’s rare to interrupt a closing argument and since the instructions say the closing isn’t evidence, there is leeway.

Agreed, which is why it was not surprising the second objection was overruled. That her revised his statement after the bench conference on the first one says he knows he crossed a line there.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to step in and say that, while I grew up a JD fan, that's not why I believe him. Some AH supporters here are painting Johnny fans as people who side with the man always, upholders of the powerful patriarchy or whatever.

My bias is 100% about AH's Borderline Personality Disorder. I grew up with an abusive BPD mom, and once you know a BPD, you can't help it with the pattern recognition. BPDs will tell any lie to save their image (which to them feels like saving their very life), they absolutely will invent abuse to get back at someone (it is a favorite tactic), they will deny something that you just saw happen 5 minutes ago, they lie so much you start to wonder if they believe their own lies (no one knows for sure), they know that a big lie is better than a small "weak" lie, and they laugh at those they have deceived. They believe everyone else is just as corrupt as they are (like, "you would have done the same thing" and "the others are all liars"). Oh, and they LOVE to appear all charitable and selfless, like they are standing up for a cause ("I wrote an op-ed, now I'm just like Angelina Jolie!"), giving money to charity (or rather just lying about it), and sometimes legitimately doing good works (but for the wrong reasons).

This doesn't mean that a person with BPD can't also be a victim though. I think people with BPD are often victims, actually. But I don't believe it in this case, because Johnny does not fit any patterns that I know. He's been consistent. I relate to his need for truth. I don't agree that he went through all this just to abuse Amber. I believe he needed to do this for himself.

He had a good record before Amber. Yes, he admits to drug and alcohol abuse, but she was abusing drugs and alcohol too, so I don't buy the whole, "He probably can't remember what he did!" You know, she might not remember what happened either, in her drunken state, and anyway, it's her pattern to LIE.

So now it will be over. I look forward to reading about the closing arguments tomorrow.

As far as "which side is right," if it matters a lot to you, I believe it will become clear when you see how each of them live out the rest of their lives. I am feeling optimistic for Johnny, that he puts this behind him and goes on to better things.

I grew up with a borderline parent too and what I can’t get pay is that despite that, and despite the bpd’s behavior, I never have come close to acting the way he has. Other people’s bad behavior isn’t an excuse for my own, and throwing bottles and texting about her dead corpse and calling her names and trashing apartments is just not ok, it is abusive, no matter what the other side did

I am sorry. The thing is, it is normal to be angry when you are wronged! You can internalize the anger, and it will morph into depression or substance abuse. You can deal in a healthy way with anger, but most people probably aren't equipped to know how to do that.

I have definitely expressed anger to trusted confidantes in wriiten and verbal form that included expletives and dark thoughts. I think that's a pretty decent way to let off steam. His texts don't bother me much -- I think I might say worse about a friend's abusive partner in texts that I expect no one else to see. Doesn't mean that I would actually slice his balls in tiny pieces or whatever. It doesn't make me a monster to have thought it.

Trashing places isn't great but it is still not striking another person.

It is normal to be angry. It isn't normal to throw bottles, it isn't normal to scream names, it isn't normal to text what he texted. That isn't dealing with anger in a healthy way. Just because I don't do THOSE things does not mean I internalize anger. It is not a decent way to let off steam to text people you hope they die and want to defile their corpse. If I found out my husband texted someone that about me I would likely seriously consider divorcing him. You really need to examine your own anger issues if you think those texts are normal. Perhaps you have a skewed vision of what is normal based on your experience with your own BPD parent.

[Anonymous]

Wow, the opening sentences of Heard’s attorney’s closing gave me chills. It is so spot-on for how abuse victims are discredited and mistreated.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to step in and say that, while I grew up a JD fan, that's not why I believe him. Some AH supporters here are painting Johnny fans as people who side with the man always, upholders of the powerful patriarchy or whatever.

My bias is 100% about AH's Borderline Personality Disorder. I grew up with an abusive BPD mom, and once you know a BPD, you can't help it with the pattern recognition. BPDs will tell any lie to save their image (which to them feels like saving their very life), they absolutely will invent abuse to get back at someone (it is a favorite tactic), they will deny something that you just saw happen 5 minutes ago, they lie so much you start to wonder if they believe their own lies (no one knows for sure), they know that a big lie is better than a small "weak" lie, and they laugh at those they have deceived. They believe everyone else is just as corrupt as they are (like, "you would have done the same thing" and "the others are all liars"). Oh, and they LOVE to appear all charitable and selfless, like they are standing up for a cause ("I wrote an op-ed, now I'm just like Angelina Jolie!"), giving money to charity (or rather just lying about it), and sometimes legitimately doing good works (but for the wrong reasons).

This doesn't mean that a person with BPD can't also be a victim though. I think people with BPD are often victims, actually. But I don't believe it in this case, because Johnny does not fit any patterns that I know. He's been consistent. I relate to his need for truth. I don't agree that he went through all this just to abuse Amber. I believe he needed to do this for himself.

He had a good record before Amber. Yes, he admits to drug and alcohol abuse, but she was abusing drugs and alcohol too, so I don't buy the whole, "He probably can't remember what he did!" You know, she might not remember what happened either, in her drunken state, and anyway, it's her pattern to LIE.

So now it will be over. I look forward to reading about the closing arguments tomorrow.

As far as "which side is right," if it matters a lot to you, I believe it will become clear when you see how each of them live out the rest of their lives. I am feeling optimistic for Johnny, that he puts this behind him and goes on to better things.

I grew up with a borderline parent too and what I can’t get pay is that despite that, and despite the bpd’s behavior, I never have come close to acting the way he has. Other people’s bad behavior isn’t an excuse for my own, and throwing bottles and texting about her dead corpse and calling her names and trashing apartments is just not ok, it is abusive, no matter what the other side did

I am sorry. The thing is, it is normal to be angry when you are wronged! You can internalize the anger, and it will morph into depression or substance abuse. You can deal in a healthy way with anger, but most people probably aren't equipped to know how to do that.

I have definitely expressed anger to trusted confidantes in wriiten and verbal form that included expletives and dark thoughts. I think that's a pretty decent way to let off steam. His texts don't bother me much -- I think I might say worse about a friend's abusive partner in texts that I expect no one else to see. Doesn't mean that I would actually slice his balls in tiny pieces or whatever. It doesn't make me a monster to have thought it.

Trashing places isn't great but it is still not striking another person.

It is normal to be angry. It isn't normal to throw bottles, it isn't normal to scream names, it isn't normal to text what he texted. That isn't dealing with anger in a healthy way. Just because I don't do THOSE things does not mean I internalize anger. It is not a decent way to let off steam to text people you hope they die and want to defile their corpse. If I found out my husband texted someone that about me I would likely seriously consider divorcing him. You really need to examine your own anger issues if you think those texts are normal. Perhaps you have a skewed vision of what is normal based on your experience with your own BPD parent.

Hmm. My British dh loves Monty Python and has a dry British sense of humor. This is the kind of thing we would say to each other and then giggle about.

I don’t think you understand his context.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow, the opening sentences of Heard’s attorney’s closing gave me chills. It is so spot-on for how abuse victims are discredited and mistreated.

Rottenborn is excellent. He's from Dcum neck of the woods. Reboth? The jury must be sighing relief. He is calmly, slowly, and simply explaining what they need to prove or disprove. No word salad. No hidden meaning. She had no notice nor did she write the Op Ed deadline.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to step in and say that, while I grew up a JD fan, that's not why I believe him. Some AH supporters here are painting Johnny fans as people who side with the man always, upholders of the powerful patriarchy or whatever.

My bias is 100% about AH's Borderline Personality Disorder. I grew up with an abusive BPD mom, and once you know a BPD, you can't help it with the pattern recognition. BPDs will tell any lie to save their image (which to them feels like saving their very life), they absolutely will invent abuse to get back at someone (it is a favorite tactic), they will deny something that you just saw happen 5 minutes ago, they lie so much you start to wonder if they believe their own lies (no one knows for sure), they know that a big lie is better than a small "weak" lie, and they laugh at those they have deceived. They believe everyone else is just as corrupt as they are (like, "you would have done the same thing" and "the others are all liars"). Oh, and they LOVE to appear all charitable and selfless, like they are standing up for a cause ("I wrote an op-ed, now I'm just like Angelina Jolie!"), giving money to charity (or rather just lying about it), and sometimes legitimately doing good works (but for the wrong reasons).

This doesn't mean that a person with BPD can't also be a victim though. I think people with BPD are often victims, actually. But I don't believe it in this case, because Johnny does not fit any patterns that I know. He's been consistent. I relate to his need for truth. I don't agree that he went through all this just to abuse Amber. I believe he needed to do this for himself.

He had a good record before Amber. Yes, he admits to drug and alcohol abuse, but she was abusing drugs and alcohol too, so I don't buy the whole, "He probably can't remember what he did!" You know, she might not remember what happened either, in her drunken state, and anyway, it's her pattern to LIE.

So now it will be over. I look forward to reading about the closing arguments tomorrow.

As far as "which side is right," if it matters a lot to you, I believe it will become clear when you see how each of them live out the rest of their lives. I am feeling optimistic for Johnny, that he puts this behind him and goes on to better things.

I grew up with a borderline parent too and what I can’t get pay is that despite that, and despite the bpd’s behavior, I never have come close to acting the way he has. Other people’s bad behavior isn’t an excuse for my own, and throwing bottles and texting about her dead corpse and calling her names and trashing apartments is just not ok, it is abusive, no matter what the other side did

I am sorry. The thing is, it is normal to be angry when you are wronged! You can internalize the anger, and it will morph into depression or substance abuse. You can deal in a healthy way with anger, but most people probably aren't equipped to know how to do that.

I have definitely expressed anger to trusted confidantes in wriiten and verbal form that included expletives and dark thoughts. I think that's a pretty decent way to let off steam. His texts don't bother me much -- I think I might say worse about a friend's abusive partner in texts that I expect no one else to see. Doesn't mean that I would actually slice his balls in tiny pieces or whatever. It doesn't make me a monster to have thought it.

Trashing places isn't great but it is still not striking another person.

It is normal to be angry. It isn't normal to throw bottles, it isn't normal to scream names, it isn't normal to text what he texted. That isn't dealing with anger in a healthy way. Just because I don't do THOSE things does not mean I internalize anger. It is not a decent way to let off steam to text people you hope they die and want to defile their corpse. If I found out my husband texted someone that about me I would likely seriously consider divorcing him. You really need to examine your own anger issues if you think those texts are normal. Perhaps you have a skewed vision of what is normal based on your experience with your own BPD parent.

Hmm. My British dh loves Monty Python and has a dry British sense of humor. This is the kind of thing we would say to each other and then giggle about.

I don’t think you understand his context.

Monty Python did not include comments about raping burned copses to confirm they’re really dead.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to step in and say that, while I grew up a JD fan, that's not why I believe him. Some AH supporters here are painting Johnny fans as people who side with the man always, upholders of the powerful patriarchy or whatever.

My bias is 100% about AH's Borderline Personality Disorder. I grew up with an abusive BPD mom, and once you know a BPD, you can't help it with the pattern recognition. BPDs will tell any lie to save their image (which to them feels like saving their very life), they absolutely will invent abuse to get back at someone (it is a favorite tactic), they will deny something that you just saw happen 5 minutes ago, they lie so much you start to wonder if they believe their own lies (no one knows for sure), they know that a big lie is better than a small "weak" lie, and they laugh at those they have deceived. They believe everyone else is just as corrupt as they are (like, "you would have done the same thing" and "the others are all liars"). Oh, and they LOVE to appear all charitable and selfless, like they are standing up for a cause ("I wrote an op-ed, now I'm just like Angelina Jolie!"), giving money to charity (or rather just lying about it), and sometimes legitimately doing good works (but for the wrong reasons).

This doesn't mean that a person with BPD can't also be a victim though. I think people with BPD are often victims, actually. But I don't believe it in this case, because Johnny does not fit any patterns that I know. He's been consistent. I relate to his need for truth. I don't agree that he went through all this just to abuse Amber. I believe he needed to do this for himself.

He had a good record before Amber. Yes, he admits to drug and alcohol abuse, but she was abusing drugs and alcohol too, so I don't buy the whole, "He probably can't remember what he did!" You know, she might not remember what happened either, in her drunken state, and anyway, it's her pattern to LIE.

So now it will be over. I look forward to reading about the closing arguments tomorrow.

As far as "which side is right," if it matters a lot to you, I believe it will become clear when you see how each of them live out the rest of their lives. I am feeling optimistic for Johnny, that he puts this behind him and goes on to better things.

I grew up with a borderline parent too and what I can’t get pay is that despite that, and despite the bpd’s behavior, I never have come close to acting the way he has. Other people’s bad behavior isn’t an excuse for my own, and throwing bottles and texting about her dead corpse and calling her names and trashing apartments is just not ok, it is abusive, no matter what the other side did

I am sorry. The thing is, it is normal to be angry when you are wronged! You can internalize the anger, and it will morph into depression or substance abuse. You can deal in a healthy way with anger, but most people probably aren't equipped to know how to do that.

I have definitely expressed anger to trusted confidantes in wriiten and verbal form that included expletives and dark thoughts. I think that's a pretty decent way to let off steam. His texts don't bother me much -- I think I might say worse about a friend's abusive partner in texts that I expect no one else to see. Doesn't mean that I would actually slice his balls in tiny pieces or whatever. It doesn't make me a monster to have thought it.

Trashing places isn't great but it is still not striking another person.

It is normal to be angry. It isn't normal to throw bottles, it isn't normal to scream names, it isn't normal to text what he texted. That isn't dealing with anger in a healthy way. Just because I don't do THOSE things does not mean I internalize anger. It is not a decent way to let off steam to text people you hope they die and want to defile their corpse. If I found out my husband texted someone that about me I would likely seriously consider divorcing him. You really need to examine your own anger issues if you think those texts are normal. Perhaps you have a skewed vision of what is normal based on your experience with your own BPD parent.

Hmm. My British dh loves Monty Python and has a dry British sense of humor. This is the kind of thing we would say to each other and then giggle about.

I don’t think you understand his context.

I think you are making excuses for blatant threats of violence because you have decided he is sympathetic. These texts were not written about a woman he was in a volatile and violent relationship with, not someone he loves and was frequently joking with. My husband has a dry and sometimes dark sense of humor and it doesn't involve joking about r*ping me, or r*ping my corpse.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to step in and say that, while I grew up a JD fan, that's not why I believe him. Some AH supporters here are painting Johnny fans as people who side with the man always, upholders of the powerful patriarchy or whatever.

My bias is 100% about AH's Borderline Personality Disorder. I grew up with an abusive BPD mom, and once you know a BPD, you can't help it with the pattern recognition. BPDs will tell any lie to save their image (which to them feels like saving their very life), they absolutely will invent abuse to get back at someone (it is a favorite tactic), they will deny something that you just saw happen 5 minutes ago, they lie so much you start to wonder if they believe their own lies (no one knows for sure), they know that a big lie is better than a small "weak" lie, and they laugh at those they have deceived. They believe everyone else is just as corrupt as they are (like, "you would have done the same thing" and "the others are all liars"). Oh, and they LOVE to appear all charitable and selfless, like they are standing up for a cause ("I wrote an op-ed, now I'm just like Angelina Jolie!"), giving money to charity (or rather just lying about it), and sometimes legitimately doing good works (but for the wrong reasons).

This doesn't mean that a person with BPD can't also be a victim though. I think people with BPD are often victims, actually. But I don't believe it in this case, because Johnny does not fit any patterns that I know. He's been consistent. I relate to his need for truth. I don't agree that he went through all this just to abuse Amber. I believe he needed to do this for himself.

He had a good record before Amber. Yes, he admits to drug and alcohol abuse, but she was abusing drugs and alcohol too, so I don't buy the whole, "He probably can't remember what he did!" You know, she might not remember what happened either, in her drunken state, and anyway, it's her pattern to LIE.

So now it will be over. I look forward to reading about the closing arguments tomorrow.

As far as "which side is right," if it matters a lot to you, I believe it will become clear when you see how each of them live out the rest of their lives. I am feeling optimistic for Johnny, that he puts this behind him and goes on to better things.

I grew up with a borderline parent too and what I can’t get pay is that despite that, and despite the bpd’s behavior, I never have come close to acting the way he has. Other people’s bad behavior isn’t an excuse for my own, and throwing bottles and texting about her dead corpse and calling her names and trashing apartments is just not ok, it is abusive, no matter what the other side did

I am sorry. The thing is, it is normal to be angry when you are wronged! You can internalize the anger, and it will morph into depression or substance abuse. You can deal in a healthy way with anger, but most people probably aren't equipped to know how to do that.

I have definitely expressed anger to trusted confidantes in wriiten and verbal form that included expletives and dark thoughts. I think that's a pretty decent way to let off steam. His texts don't bother me much -- I think I might say worse about a friend's abusive partner in texts that I expect no one else to see. Doesn't mean that I would actually slice his balls in tiny pieces or whatever. It doesn't make me a monster to have thought it.

Trashing places isn't great but it is still not striking another person.

It is normal to be angry. It isn't normal to throw bottles, it isn't normal to scream names, it isn't normal to text what he texted. That isn't dealing with anger in a healthy way. Just because I don't do THOSE things does not mean I internalize anger. It is not a decent way to let off steam to text people you hope they die and want to defile their corpse. If I found out my husband texted someone that about me I would likely seriously consider divorcing him. You really need to examine your own anger issues if you think those texts are normal. Perhaps you have a skewed vision of what is normal based on your experience with your own BPD parent.

Hmm. My British dh loves Monty Python and has a dry British sense of humor. This is the kind of thing we would say to each other and then giggle about.

I don’t think you understand his context.

Monty Python did not include comments about raping burned copses to confirm they’re really dead.

It’s the spirit of the MP sketch, and it is imitating the same absurdist extensions in the witch song. It’s funny. Or it would be if between two people who got it.