Johnny Depp trial in Fairfax County

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to step in and say that, while I grew up a JD fan, that's not why I believe him. Some AH supporters here are painting Johnny fans as people who side with the man always, upholders of the powerful patriarchy or whatever.

My bias is 100% about AH's Borderline Personality Disorder. I grew up with an abusive BPD mom, and once you know a BPD, you can't help it with the pattern recognition. BPDs will tell any lie to save their image (which to them feels like saving their very life), they absolutely will invent abuse to get back at someone (it is a favorite tactic), they will deny something that you just saw happen 5 minutes ago, they lie so much you start to wonder if they believe their own lies (no one knows for sure), they know that a big lie is better than a small "weak" lie, and they laugh at those they have deceived. They believe everyone else is just as corrupt as they are (like, "you would have done the same thing" and "the others are all liars"). Oh, and they LOVE to appear all charitable and selfless, like they are standing up for a cause ("I wrote an op-ed, now I'm just like Angelina Jolie!"), giving money to charity (or rather just lying about it), and sometimes legitimately doing good works (but for the wrong reasons).

This doesn't mean that a person with BPD can't also be a victim though. I think people with BPD are often victims, actually. But I don't believe it in this case, because Johnny does not fit any patterns that I know. He's been consistent. I relate to his need for truth. I don't agree that he went through all this just to abuse Amber. I believe he needed to do this for himself.

He had a good record before Amber. Yes, he admits to drug and alcohol abuse, but she was abusing drugs and alcohol too, so I don't buy the whole, "He probably can't remember what he did!" You know, she might not remember what happened either, in her drunken state, and anyway, it's her pattern to LIE.

So now it will be over. I look forward to reading about the closing arguments tomorrow.

As far as "which side is right," if it matters a lot to you, I believe it will become clear when you see how each of them live out the rest of their lives. I am feeling optimistic for Johnny, that he puts this behind him and goes on to better things.

I grew up with a borderline parent too and what I can’t get pay is that despite that, and despite the bpd’s behavior, I never have come close to acting the way he has. Other people’s bad behavior isn’t an excuse for my own, and throwing bottles and texting about her dead corpse and calling her names and trashing apartments is just not ok, it is abusive, no matter what the other side did

I am sorry. The thing is, it is normal to be angry when you are wronged! You can internalize the anger, and it will morph into depression or substance abuse. You can deal in a healthy way with anger, but most people probably aren't equipped to know how to do that.

I have definitely expressed anger to trusted confidantes in wriiten and verbal form that included expletives and dark thoughts. I think that's a pretty decent way to let off steam. His texts don't bother me much -- I think I might say worse about a friend's abusive partner in texts that I expect no one else to see. Doesn't mean that I would actually slice his balls in tiny pieces or whatever. It doesn't make me a monster to have thought it.

Trashing places isn't great but it is still not striking another person.

It is normal to be angry. It isn't normal to throw bottles, it isn't normal to scream names, it isn't normal to text what he texted. That isn't dealing with anger in a healthy way. Just because I don't do THOSE things does not mean I internalize anger. It is not a decent way to let off steam to text people you hope they die and want to defile their corpse. If I found out my husband texted someone that about me I would likely seriously consider divorcing him. You really need to examine your own anger issues if you think those texts are normal. Perhaps you have a skewed vision of what is normal based on your experience with your own BPD parent.

Hmm. My British dh loves Monty Python and has a dry British sense of humor. This is the kind of thing we would say to each other and then giggle about.

I don’t think you understand his context.

I think you are making excuses for blatant threats of violence because you have decided he is sympathetic. These texts were not written about a woman he was in a volatile and violent relationship with, not someone he loves and was frequently joking with. My husband has a dry and sometimes dark sense of humor and it doesn't involve joking about r*ping me, or r*ping my corpse.

You think wrong then. I’m the one who posted a few times that he is a slightly brain-damaged drunk. I’m no Johnny fan. But I also don’t think he was more abusive than she. They are both horrible people.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, the opening sentences of Heard’s attorney’s closing gave me chills. It is so spot-on for how abuse victims are discredited and mistreated.

Rottenborn is excellent. He's from Dcum neck of the woods. Reboth? The jury must be sighing relief. He is calmly, slowly, and simply explaining what they need to prove or disprove. No word salad. No hidden meaning. She had no notice nor did she write the Op Ed deadline.

One time ladies and gentlemen, one time. Be it, emotional abuse, physical abuse, sexual abuse. One incident of abuse, "Depp loses."

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to step in and say that, while I grew up a JD fan, that's not why I believe him. Some AH supporters here are painting Johnny fans as people who side with the man always, upholders of the powerful patriarchy or whatever.

My bias is 100% about AH's Borderline Personality Disorder. I grew up with an abusive BPD mom, and once you know a BPD, you can't help it with the pattern recognition. BPDs will tell any lie to save their image (which to them feels like saving their very life), they absolutely will invent abuse to get back at someone (it is a favorite tactic), they will deny something that you just saw happen 5 minutes ago, they lie so much you start to wonder if they believe their own lies (no one knows for sure), they know that a big lie is better than a small "weak" lie, and they laugh at those they have deceived. They believe everyone else is just as corrupt as they are (like, "you would have done the same thing" and "the others are all liars"). Oh, and they LOVE to appear all charitable and selfless, like they are standing up for a cause ("I wrote an op-ed, now I'm just like Angelina Jolie!"), giving money to charity (or rather just lying about it), and sometimes legitimately doing good works (but for the wrong reasons).

This doesn't mean that a person with BPD can't also be a victim though. I think people with BPD are often victims, actually. But I don't believe it in this case, because Johnny does not fit any patterns that I know. He's been consistent. I relate to his need for truth. I don't agree that he went through all this just to abuse Amber. I believe he needed to do this for himself.

He had a good record before Amber. Yes, he admits to drug and alcohol abuse, but she was abusing drugs and alcohol too, so I don't buy the whole, "He probably can't remember what he did!" You know, she might not remember what happened either, in her drunken state, and anyway, it's her pattern to LIE.

So now it will be over. I look forward to reading about the closing arguments tomorrow.

As far as "which side is right," if it matters a lot to you, I believe it will become clear when you see how each of them live out the rest of their lives. I am feeling optimistic for Johnny, that he puts this behind him and goes on to better things.

I grew up with a borderline parent too and what I can’t get pay is that despite that, and despite the bpd’s behavior, I never have come close to acting the way he has. Other people’s bad behavior isn’t an excuse for my own, and throwing bottles and texting about her dead corpse and calling her names and trashing apartments is just not ok, it is abusive, no matter what the other side did

I am sorry. The thing is, it is normal to be angry when you are wronged! You can internalize the anger, and it will morph into depression or substance abuse. You can deal in a healthy way with anger, but most people probably aren't equipped to know how to do that.

I have definitely expressed anger to trusted confidantes in wriiten and verbal form that included expletives and dark thoughts. I think that's a pretty decent way to let off steam. His texts don't bother me much -- I think I might say worse about a friend's abusive partner in texts that I expect no one else to see. Doesn't mean that I would actually slice his balls in tiny pieces or whatever. It doesn't make me a monster to have thought it.

Trashing places isn't great but it is still not striking another person.

It is normal to be angry. It isn't normal to throw bottles, it isn't normal to scream names, it isn't normal to text what he texted. That isn't dealing with anger in a healthy way. Just because I don't do THOSE things does not mean I internalize anger. It is not a decent way to let off steam to text people you hope they die and want to defile their corpse. If I found out my husband texted someone that about me I would likely seriously consider divorcing him. You really need to examine your own anger issues if you think those texts are normal. Perhaps you have a skewed vision of what is normal based on your experience with your own BPD parent.

Hmm. My British dh loves Monty Python and has a dry British sense of humor. This is the kind of thing we would say to each other and then giggle about.

I don’t think you understand his context.

Monty Python did not include comments about raping burned copses to confirm they’re really dead.

They were just being two, drunk, naughty boys who never thought those texts would see the light of day. That is all. That is what they represent.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to step in and say that, while I grew up a JD fan, that's not why I believe him. Some AH supporters here are painting Johnny fans as people who side with the man always, upholders of the powerful patriarchy or whatever.

My bias is 100% about AH's Borderline Personality Disorder. I grew up with an abusive BPD mom, and once you know a BPD, you can't help it with the pattern recognition. BPDs will tell any lie to save their image (which to them feels like saving their very life), they absolutely will invent abuse to get back at someone (it is a favorite tactic), they will deny something that you just saw happen 5 minutes ago, they lie so much you start to wonder if they believe their own lies (no one knows for sure), they know that a big lie is better than a small "weak" lie, and they laugh at those they have deceived. They believe everyone else is just as corrupt as they are (like, "you would have done the same thing" and "the others are all liars"). Oh, and they LOVE to appear all charitable and selfless, like they are standing up for a cause ("I wrote an op-ed, now I'm just like Angelina Jolie!"), giving money to charity (or rather just lying about it), and sometimes legitimately doing good works (but for the wrong reasons).

This doesn't mean that a person with BPD can't also be a victim though. I think people with BPD are often victims, actually. But I don't believe it in this case, because Johnny does not fit any patterns that I know. He's been consistent. I relate to his need for truth. I don't agree that he went through all this just to abuse Amber. I believe he needed to do this for himself.

He had a good record before Amber. Yes, he admits to drug and alcohol abuse, but she was abusing drugs and alcohol too, so I don't buy the whole, "He probably can't remember what he did!" You know, she might not remember what happened either, in her drunken state, and anyway, it's her pattern to LIE.

So now it will be over. I look forward to reading about the closing arguments tomorrow.

As far as "which side is right," if it matters a lot to you, I believe it will become clear when you see how each of them live out the rest of their lives. I am feeling optimistic for Johnny, that he puts this behind him and goes on to better things.

I grew up with a borderline parent too and what I can’t get pay is that despite that, and despite the bpd’s behavior, I never have come close to acting the way he has. Other people’s bad behavior isn’t an excuse for my own, and throwing bottles and texting about her dead corpse and calling her names and trashing apartments is just not ok, it is abusive, no matter what the other side did

I am sorry. The thing is, it is normal to be angry when you are wronged! You can internalize the anger, and it will morph into depression or substance abuse. You can deal in a healthy way with anger, but most people probably aren't equipped to know how to do that.

I have definitely expressed anger to trusted confidantes in wriiten and verbal form that included expletives and dark thoughts. I think that's a pretty decent way to let off steam. His texts don't bother me much -- I think I might say worse about a friend's abusive partner in texts that I expect no one else to see. Doesn't mean that I would actually slice his balls in tiny pieces or whatever. It doesn't make me a monster to have thought it.

Trashing places isn't great but it is still not striking another person.

It is normal to be angry. It isn't normal to throw bottles, it isn't normal to scream names, it isn't normal to text what he texted. That isn't dealing with anger in a healthy way. Just because I don't do THOSE things does not mean I internalize anger. It is not a decent way to let off steam to text people you hope they die and want to defile their corpse. If I found out my husband texted someone that about me I would likely seriously consider divorcing him. You really need to examine your own anger issues if you think those texts are normal. Perhaps you have a skewed vision of what is normal based on your experience with your own BPD parent.

Hmm. My British dh loves Monty Python and has a dry British sense of humor. This is the kind of thing we would say to each other and then giggle about.

I don’t think you understand his context.

Monty Python did not include comments about raping burned copses to confirm they’re really dead.

They were just being two, drunk, naughty boys who never thought those texts would see the light of day. That is all. That is what they represent.

No, it shows who he really is when he thinks the public won’t see it. Don’t justify abusive behavior just because it happens in private, and don’t excuse it away as boys-will-be-boys.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to step in and say that, while I grew up a JD fan, that's not why I believe him. Some AH supporters here are painting Johnny fans as people who side with the man always, upholders of the powerful patriarchy or whatever.

My bias is 100% about AH's Borderline Personality Disorder. I grew up with an abusive BPD mom, and once you know a BPD, you can't help it with the pattern recognition. BPDs will tell any lie to save their image (which to them feels like saving their very life), they absolutely will invent abuse to get back at someone (it is a favorite tactic), they will deny something that you just saw happen 5 minutes ago, they lie so much you start to wonder if they believe their own lies (no one knows for sure), they know that a big lie is better than a small "weak" lie, and they laugh at those they have deceived. They believe everyone else is just as corrupt as they are (like, "you would have done the same thing" and "the others are all liars"). Oh, and they LOVE to appear all charitable and selfless, like they are standing up for a cause ("I wrote an op-ed, now I'm just like Angelina Jolie!"), giving money to charity (or rather just lying about it), and sometimes legitimately doing good works (but for the wrong reasons).

This doesn't mean that a person with BPD can't also be a victim though. I think people with BPD are often victims, actually. But I don't believe it in this case, because Johnny does not fit any patterns that I know. He's been consistent. I relate to his need for truth. I don't agree that he went through all this just to abuse Amber. I believe he needed to do this for himself.

He had a good record before Amber. Yes, he admits to drug and alcohol abuse, but she was abusing drugs and alcohol too, so I don't buy the whole, "He probably can't remember what he did!" You know, she might not remember what happened either, in her drunken state, and anyway, it's her pattern to LIE.

So now it will be over. I look forward to reading about the closing arguments tomorrow.

As far as "which side is right," if it matters a lot to you, I believe it will become clear when you see how each of them live out the rest of their lives. I am feeling optimistic for Johnny, that he puts this behind him and goes on to better things.

I grew up with a borderline parent too and what I can’t get pay is that despite that, and despite the bpd’s behavior, I never have come close to acting the way he has. Other people’s bad behavior isn’t an excuse for my own, and throwing bottles and texting about her dead corpse and calling her names and trashing apartments is just not ok, it is abusive, no matter what the other side did

I am sorry. The thing is, it is normal to be angry when you are wronged! You can internalize the anger, and it will morph into depression or substance abuse. You can deal in a healthy way with anger, but most people probably aren't equipped to know how to do that.

I have definitely expressed anger to trusted confidantes in wriiten and verbal form that included expletives and dark thoughts. I think that's a pretty decent way to let off steam. His texts don't bother me much -- I think I might say worse about a friend's abusive partner in texts that I expect no one else to see. Doesn't mean that I would actually slice his balls in tiny pieces or whatever. It doesn't make me a monster to have thought it.

Trashing places isn't great but it is still not striking another person.

It is normal to be angry. It isn't normal to throw bottles, it isn't normal to scream names, it isn't normal to text what he texted. That isn't dealing with anger in a healthy way. Just because I don't do THOSE things does not mean I internalize anger. It is not a decent way to let off steam to text people you hope they die and want to defile their corpse. If I found out my husband texted someone that about me I would likely seriously consider divorcing him. You really need to examine your own anger issues if you think those texts are normal. Perhaps you have a skewed vision of what is normal based on your experience with your own BPD parent.

Hmm. My British dh loves Monty Python and has a dry British sense of humor. This is the kind of thing we would say to each other and then giggle about.

I don’t think you understand his context.

Monty Python did not include comments about raping burned copses to confirm they’re really dead.

It’s the spirit of the MP sketch, and it is imitating the same absurdist extensions in the witch song. It’s funny. Or it would be if between two people who got it.

No it isn't. A loving couple sitting on a sofa joking about these things with each other after watching Monty Python is one context. A man in an abusive relationship with a woman texting his friends his violent thoughts is an entirely different context. And if you don't see the different, then, genuinely, I do not think you have an appropriate gauge on these types of commentary.

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Please y'all. Can we just have a moment here for those of us watching the live trial to try and discuss what is currently being said in closing arguments. Watch the current video being played right now!

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Anonymous wrote:Please y'all. Can we just have a moment here for those of us watching the live trial to try and discuss what is currently being said in closing arguments. Watch the current video being played right now!

Even knowing how the video ends, I get tense and anxious watching it.

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Of course she leaked the TMZ video.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to step in and say that, while I grew up a JD fan, that's not why I believe him. Some AH supporters here are painting Johnny fans as people who side with the man always, upholders of the powerful patriarchy or whatever.

My bias is 100% about AH's Borderline Personality Disorder. I grew up with an abusive BPD mom, and once you know a BPD, you can't help it with the pattern recognition. BPDs will tell any lie to save their image (which to them feels like saving their very life), they absolutely will invent abuse to get back at someone (it is a favorite tactic), they will deny something that you just saw happen 5 minutes ago, they lie so much you start to wonder if they believe their own lies (no one knows for sure), they know that a big lie is better than a small "weak" lie, and they laugh at those they have deceived. They believe everyone else is just as corrupt as they are (like, "you would have done the same thing" and "the others are all liars"). Oh, and they LOVE to appear all charitable and selfless, like they are standing up for a cause ("I wrote an op-ed, now I'm just like Angelina Jolie!"), giving money to charity (or rather just lying about it), and sometimes legitimately doing good works (but for the wrong reasons).

This doesn't mean that a person with BPD can't also be a victim though. I think people with BPD are often victims, actually. But I don't believe it in this case, because Johnny does not fit any patterns that I know. He's been consistent. I relate to his need for truth. I don't agree that he went through all this just to abuse Amber. I believe he needed to do this for himself.

He had a good record before Amber. Yes, he admits to drug and alcohol abuse, but she was abusing drugs and alcohol too, so I don't buy the whole, "He probably can't remember what he did!" You know, she might not remember what happened either, in her drunken state, and anyway, it's her pattern to LIE.

So now it will be over. I look forward to reading about the closing arguments tomorrow.

As far as "which side is right," if it matters a lot to you, I believe it will become clear when you see how each of them live out the rest of their lives. I am feeling optimistic for Johnny, that he puts this behind him and goes on to better things.

I grew up with a borderline parent too and what I can’t get pay is that despite that, and despite the bpd’s behavior, I never have come close to acting the way he has. Other people’s bad behavior isn’t an excuse for my own, and throwing bottles and texting about her dead corpse and calling her names and trashing apartments is just not ok, it is abusive, no matter what the other side did

I am sorry. The thing is, it is normal to be angry when you are wronged! You can internalize the anger, and it will morph into depression or substance abuse. You can deal in a healthy way with anger, but most people probably aren't equipped to know how to do that.

I have definitely expressed anger to trusted confidantes in wriiten and verbal form that included expletives and dark thoughts. I think that's a pretty decent way to let off steam. His texts don't bother me much -- I think I might say worse about a friend's abusive partner in texts that I expect no one else to see. Doesn't mean that I would actually slice his balls in tiny pieces or whatever. It doesn't make me a monster to have thought it.

Trashing places isn't great but it is still not striking another person.

It is normal to be angry. It isn't normal to throw bottles, it isn't normal to scream names, it isn't normal to text what he texted. That isn't dealing with anger in a healthy way. Just because I don't do THOSE things does not mean I internalize anger. It is not a decent way to let off steam to text people you hope they die and want to defile their corpse. If I found out my husband texted someone that about me I would likely seriously consider divorcing him. You really need to examine your own anger issues if you think those texts are normal. Perhaps you have a skewed vision of what is normal based on your experience with your own BPD parent.

Hmm. My British dh loves Monty Python and has a dry British sense of humor. This is the kind of thing we would say to each other and then giggle about.

I don’t think you understand his context.

Monty Python did not include comments about raping burned copses to confirm they’re really dead.

They were just being two, drunk, naughty boys who never thought those texts would see the light of day. That is all. That is what they represent.

Yeah, just some locker room talk. Metoo is such BS huh

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Wait a minute, you can't act if you used illigal drugs? That's ALL of hollywood!

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Rottenborn is doing a great closing. I missed Depp's atty's closing. I like that he called Depp out for laughing and smirking during the smashing-things-video just now and asking who does that? Nice live work there.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to step in and say that, while I grew up a JD fan, that's not why I believe him. Some AH supporters here are painting Johnny fans as people who side with the man always, upholders of the powerful patriarchy or whatever.

My bias is 100% about AH's Borderline Personality Disorder. I grew up with an abusive BPD mom, and once you know a BPD, you can't help it with the pattern recognition. BPDs will tell any lie to save their image (which to them feels like saving their very life), they absolutely will invent abuse to get back at someone (it is a favorite tactic), they will deny something that you just saw happen 5 minutes ago, they lie so much you start to wonder if they believe their own lies (no one knows for sure), they know that a big lie is better than a small "weak" lie, and they laugh at those they have deceived. They believe everyone else is just as corrupt as they are (like, "you would have done the same thing" and "the others are all liars"). Oh, and they LOVE to appear all charitable and selfless, like they are standing up for a cause ("I wrote an op-ed, now I'm just like Angelina Jolie!"), giving money to charity (or rather just lying about it), and sometimes legitimately doing good works (but for the wrong reasons).

This doesn't mean that a person with BPD can't also be a victim though. I think people with BPD are often victims, actually. But I don't believe it in this case, because Johnny does not fit any patterns that I know. He's been consistent. I relate to his need for truth. I don't agree that he went through all this just to abuse Amber. I believe he needed to do this for himself.

He had a good record before Amber. Yes, he admits to drug and alcohol abuse, but she was abusing drugs and alcohol too, so I don't buy the whole, "He probably can't remember what he did!" You know, she might not remember what happened either, in her drunken state, and anyway, it's her pattern to LIE.

So now it will be over. I look forward to reading about the closing arguments tomorrow.

As far as "which side is right," if it matters a lot to you, I believe it will become clear when you see how each of them live out the rest of their lives. I am feeling optimistic for Johnny, that he puts this behind him and goes on to better things.

I grew up with a borderline parent too and what I can’t get pay is that despite that, and despite the bpd’s behavior, I never have come close to acting the way he has. Other people’s bad behavior isn’t an excuse for my own, and throwing bottles and texting about her dead corpse and calling her names and trashing apartments is just not ok, it is abusive, no matter what the other side did

I am sorry. The thing is, it is normal to be angry when you are wronged! You can internalize the anger, and it will morph into depression or substance abuse. You can deal in a healthy way with anger, but most people probably aren't equipped to know how to do that.

I have definitely expressed anger to trusted confidantes in wriiten and verbal form that included expletives and dark thoughts. I think that's a pretty decent way to let off steam. His texts don't bother me much -- I think I might say worse about a friend's abusive partner in texts that I expect no one else to see. Doesn't mean that I would actually slice his balls in tiny pieces or whatever. It doesn't make me a monster to have thought it.

Trashing places isn't great but it is still not striking another person.

It is normal to be angry. It isn't normal to throw bottles, it isn't normal to scream names, it isn't normal to text what he texted. That isn't dealing with anger in a healthy way. Just because I don't do THOSE things does not mean I internalize anger. It is not a decent way to let off steam to text people you hope they die and want to defile their corpse. If I found out my husband texted someone that about me I would likely seriously consider divorcing him. You really need to examine your own anger issues if you think those texts are normal. Perhaps you have a skewed vision of what is normal based on your experience with your own BPD parent.

Hmm. My British dh loves Monty Python and has a dry British sense of humor. This is the kind of thing we would say to each other and then giggle about.

I don’t think you understand his context.

I think you are making excuses for blatant threats of violence because you have decided he is sympathetic. These texts were not written about a woman he was in a volatile and violent relationship with, not someone he loves and was frequently joking with. My husband has a dry and sometimes dark sense of humor and it doesn't involve joking about r*ping me, or r*ping my corpse.

You think wrong then. I’m the one who posted a few times that he is a slightly brain-damaged drunk. I’m no Johnny fan. But I also don’t think he was more abusive than she. They are both horrible people.

You're arguing a point I haven't made.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to step in and say that, while I grew up a JD fan, that's not why I believe him. Some AH supporters here are painting Johnny fans as people who side with the man always, upholders of the powerful patriarchy or whatever.

My bias is 100% about AH's Borderline Personality Disorder. I grew up with an abusive BPD mom, and once you know a BPD, you can't help it with the pattern recognition. BPDs will tell any lie to save their image (which to them feels like saving their very life), they absolutely will invent abuse to get back at someone (it is a favorite tactic), they will deny something that you just saw happen 5 minutes ago, they lie so much you start to wonder if they believe their own lies (no one knows for sure), they know that a big lie is better than a small "weak" lie, and they laugh at those they have deceived. They believe everyone else is just as corrupt as they are (like, "you would have done the same thing" and "the others are all liars"). Oh, and they LOVE to appear all charitable and selfless, like they are standing up for a cause ("I wrote an op-ed, now I'm just like Angelina Jolie!"), giving money to charity (or rather just lying about it), and sometimes legitimately doing good works (but for the wrong reasons).

This doesn't mean that a person with BPD can't also be a victim though. I think people with BPD are often victims, actually. But I don't believe it in this case, because Johnny does not fit any patterns that I know. He's been consistent. I relate to his need for truth. I don't agree that he went through all this just to abuse Amber. I believe he needed to do this for himself.

He had a good record before Amber. Yes, he admits to drug and alcohol abuse, but she was abusing drugs and alcohol too, so I don't buy the whole, "He probably can't remember what he did!" You know, she might not remember what happened either, in her drunken state, and anyway, it's her pattern to LIE.

So now it will be over. I look forward to reading about the closing arguments tomorrow.

As far as "which side is right," if it matters a lot to you, I believe it will become clear when you see how each of them live out the rest of their lives. I am feeling optimistic for Johnny, that he puts this behind him and goes on to better things.

I grew up with a borderline parent too and what I can’t get pay is that despite that, and despite the bpd’s behavior, I never have come close to acting the way he has. Other people’s bad behavior isn’t an excuse for my own, and throwing bottles and texting about her dead corpse and calling her names and trashing apartments is just not ok, it is abusive, no matter what the other side did

I am sorry. The thing is, it is normal to be angry when you are wronged! You can internalize the anger, and it will morph into depression or substance abuse. You can deal in a healthy way with anger, but most people probably aren't equipped to know how to do that.

I have definitely expressed anger to trusted confidantes in wriiten and verbal form that included expletives and dark thoughts. I think that's a pretty decent way to let off steam. His texts don't bother me much -- I think I might say worse about a friend's abusive partner in texts that I expect no one else to see. Doesn't mean that I would actually slice his balls in tiny pieces or whatever. It doesn't make me a monster to have thought it.

Trashing places isn't great but it is still not striking another person.

It is normal to be angry. It isn't normal to throw bottles, it isn't normal to scream names, it isn't normal to text what he texted. That isn't dealing with anger in a healthy way. Just because I don't do THOSE things does not mean I internalize anger. It is not a decent way to let off steam to text people you hope they die and want to defile their corpse. If I found out my husband texted someone that about me I would likely seriously consider divorcing him. You really need to examine your own anger issues if you think those texts are normal. Perhaps you have a skewed vision of what is normal based on your experience with your own BPD parent.

Hmm. My British dh loves Monty Python and has a dry British sense of humor. This is the kind of thing we would say to each other and then giggle about.

I don’t think you understand his context.

Monty Python did not include comments about raping burned copses to confirm they’re really dead.

It’s the spirit of the MP sketch, and it is imitating the same absurdist extensions in the witch song. It’s funny. Or it would be if between two people who got it.

No it isn't. A loving couple sitting on a sofa joking about these things with each other after watching Monty Python is one context. A man in an abusive relationship with a woman texting his friends his violent thoughts is an entirely different context. And if you don't see the different, then, genuinely, I do not think you have an appropriate gauge on these types of commentary.

So you haven’t ever sent angry texts to a trusted friend? Or used dry humour while angry? This was his childhood friend with whom he had watched MP and shared a sense of humour. I get it. I think this is a typical angry text to a trusted friend. He isn’t proposing necrophilia and murder, though: that’s reference to MP.

I do think most people aren’t getting the context, which makes the text exchange something it isn’t.

I notice Americans also seem to see a different connotation in the word c**t. I think Johnny has a niche sense of humour for an American; his quotes and references to British comedy and lore show that.

I also think he’s an abuser. And I think Amber is an abuser.

But I get his sense of humour and I don’t think you do.

The texts weren’t with a childhood friend, it was with Paul Bettany, who he met while making a film in 2010.

[Anonymous]

In the closing argument Ms. Vasquez says that Amber suffers from "Mental Health Issues" if so, they want to condemn her and not help her?

She said AH is deeply trouble and has border line personalities, yet, pointed out all the flaws she had and all the "horrible" things she did, again, condemn her and not help her?

Is anyone talking about Mental Health? Haven't we seen enough?

JD is a drug addict and horrible drunk why are these people turning a blind eye? Why are JD followers turning a blind eye?

This is unbelievable.

[Anonymous]

RottenBorn was awful in questioning but his closing is not bad.