what's with local pols opposing expanding 270 and 495?

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Anonymous wrote:I know they want everyone but them to take the bus, but it's not realistic. WMATA is woefully inadequate and dangerous. The bus isn't a viable option for many people especially if they have to work in another state. Having people sit in traffic isn't going to "save the planet" especially as more people move further out. They just don't expect to be in office when the consequences are full to see and traffic just gets far worse than the hell it currently is?

Can you name one example of a place or time when widening a street or adding a lane has resulted in better traffic flow for cars?

No?

Neither can anyone else.

It is time to go a different path on our transportation policy.

Easy. The added lane over the Severn River. Made getting to Rehobeth a gazillion times easier and faster.

Come back in 10 years and tell us how well it worked.

What would you have done instead, built a ferry to take cars across?

Maryland spent $23 million so that, for a few years, people driving from Maryland to Delaware on summer weekends could spend a few minutes less sitting in their cars on a bridge with other people from Maryland driving to Delaware on summer weekends.

Meanwhile, if you live in Montgomery County and you want to take public transportation to Ocean City, Maryland, it's a 13-hour overnight trip via Wilmington, Delaware.

It’s a shame they didn’t fund your proposal to build a train route from Montgomery county to Ocean City.

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It isn't up to society to accommodate your bad choices

Says the Democrat that supportspublic housing and food stamps. LOl.

So you prefer people live under the stars and starve to death?

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If you want to solve the traffic to the MD/DE shore issue, you would advocate for BRT all the way to the Route 1 transit center in DE and have multiple bus companies running shuttles every 15 minutes from different locations throughout the DC/Baltimore area in season.

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Anonymous wrote:I know they want everyone but them to take the bus, but it's not realistic. WMATA is woefully inadequate and dangerous. The bus isn't a viable option for many people especially if they have to work in another state. Having people sit in traffic isn't going to "save the planet" especially as more people move further out. They just don't expect to be in office when the consequences are full to see and traffic just gets far worse than the hell it currently is?

Can you name one example of a place or time when widening a street or adding a lane has resulted in better traffic flow for cars?

No?

Neither can anyone else.

It is time to go a different path on our transportation policy.

Easy. The added lane over the Severn River. Made getting to Rehobeth a gazillion times easier and faster.

Come back in 10 years and tell us how well it worked.

What would you have done instead, built a ferry to take cars across?

Maryland spent $23 million so that, for a few years, people driving from Maryland to Delaware on summer weekends could spend a few minutes less sitting in their cars on a bridge with other people from Maryland driving to Delaware on summer weekends.

Meanwhile, if you live in Montgomery County and you want to take public transportation to Ocean City, Maryland, it's a 13-hour overnight trip via Wilmington, Delaware.

It’s a shame they didn’t fund your proposal to build a train route from Montgomery county to Ocean City.

I guess you are too young to remember when there was train service to multiple points along the ocean. Sad it was all ripped out.

[Anonymous]

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Maryland spent $23 million so that, for a few years, people driving from Maryland to Delaware on summer weekends could spend a few minutes less sitting in their cars on a bridge with other people from Maryland driving to Delaware on summer weekends.

Meanwhile, if you live in Montgomery County and you want to take public transportation to Ocean City, Maryland, it's a 13-hour overnight trip via Wilmington, Delaware.

It’s a shame they didn’t fund your proposal to build a train route from Montgomery county to Ocean City.

It's a question of priorities, eh? $23 million for Marylanders driving to Delaware for summer beach vacations, $0 for public transportation infrastructure in Maryland. Hey, did you hear how the state broke its promise about bike lanes on the $463 million Harry Nice Bridge replacement project because they were unaffordable?

[Anonymous]

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It isn't up to society to accommodate your bad choices

Says the Democrat that supportspublic housing and food stamps. LOl.

So you prefer people live under the stars and starve to death?

No. I prefer people make wise decsions, stick around the offpsring they unleash on this world, and support themselves.

Or do you only expect that from certain types of people?

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Anonymous wrote:I know they want everyone but them to take the bus, but it's not realistic. WMATA is woefully inadequate and dangerous. The bus isn't a viable option for many people especially if they have to work in another state. Having people sit in traffic isn't going to "save the planet" especially as more people move further out. They just don't expect to be in office when the consequences are full to see and traffic just gets far worse than the hell it currently is?

Can you name one example of a place or time when widening a street or adding a lane has resulted in better traffic flow for cars?

No?

Neither can anyone else.

It is time to go a different path on our transportation policy.

Easy. The added lane over the Severn River. Made getting to Rehobeth a gazillion times easier and faster.

Come back in 10 years and tell us how well it worked.

What would you have done instead, built a ferry to take cars across?

Maryland spent $23 million so that, for a few years, people driving from Maryland to Delaware on summer weekends could spend a few minutes less sitting in their cars on a bridge with other people from Maryland driving to Delaware on summer weekends.

Meanwhile, if you live in Montgomery County and you want to take public transportation to Ocean City, Maryland, it's a 13-hour overnight trip via Wilmington, Delaware.

It’s a shame they didn’t fund your proposal to build a train route from Montgomery county to Ocean City.

I guess you are too young to remember when there was train service to multiple points along the ocean. Sad it was all ripped out.

I think part of the problem is that post-WWII, the U.S. decided to invest in highways rather than public transport infrastructure. That led to the proliferation of suburbia and spread out communities. Retrofitting a car-based society with an extensive public transportation network is no small task. Sure it would be nice to take the train to Rehoboth, provided we could fit everything we needed in a few suitcases (who does that, BTW), but then what? They'd also have to set up a better transport system in all these beach towns, since not everyone stays somewhere walkable to the beach, grocery store, etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Maryland spent $23 million so that, for a few years, people driving from Maryland to Delaware on summer weekends could spend a few minutes less sitting in their cars on a bridge with other people from Maryland driving to Delaware on summer weekends.

Meanwhile, if you live in Montgomery County and you want to take public transportation to Ocean City, Maryland, it's a 13-hour overnight trip via Wilmington, Delaware.

It’s a shame they didn’t fund your proposal to build a train route from Montgomery county to Ocean City.

It's a question of priorities, eh? $23 million for Marylanders driving to Delaware for summer beach vacations, $0 for public transportation infrastructure in Maryland. Hey, did you hear how the state broke its promise about bike lanes on the $463 million Harry Nice Bridge replacement project because they were unaffordable?

This obnoxious person apparently doesn't know that Maryland has beaches and an enormous amount of shoreline that generates a significant amount of tourism revenue, which is one of the states biggest economic sectors.

On the other hand, the entire world revolves around the whims and needs of a small handful of people who both choose to live in Montgomery County and chose to not own cars. We should be subsidizing the lifestyle of about 25 people with billions in public investment because they deserve it because they are clearly morally superior to the rest of us.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know they want everyone but them to take the bus, but it's not realistic. WMATA is woefully inadequate and dangerous. The bus isn't a viable option for many people especially if they have to work in another state. Having people sit in traffic isn't going to "save the planet" especially as more people move further out. They just don't expect to be in office when the consequences are full to see and traffic just gets far worse than the hell it currently is?

Can you name one example of a place or time when widening a street or adding a lane has resulted in better traffic flow for cars?

No?

Neither can anyone else.

It is time to go a different path on our transportation policy.

Easy. The added lane over the Severn River. Made getting to Rehobeth a gazillion times easier and faster.

Come back in 10 years and tell us how well it worked.

What would you have done instead, built a ferry to take cars across?

Maryland spent $23 million so that, for a few years, people driving from Maryland to Delaware on summer weekends could spend a few minutes less sitting in their cars on a bridge with other people from Maryland driving to Delaware on summer weekends.

Meanwhile, if you live in Montgomery County and you want to take public transportation to Ocean City, Maryland, it's a 13-hour overnight trip via Wilmington, Delaware.

It’s a shame they didn’t fund your proposal to build a train route from Montgomery county to Ocean City.

I guess you are too young to remember when there was train service to multiple points along the ocean. Sad it was all ripped out.

I think part of the problem is that post-WWII, the U.S. decided to invest in highways rather than public transport infrastructure. That led to the proliferation of suburbia and spread out communities. Retrofitting a car-based society with an extensive public transportation network is no small task. Sure it would be nice to take the train to Rehoboth, provided we could fit everything we needed in a few suitcases (who does that, BTW), but then what? They'd also have to set up a better transport system in all these beach towns, since not everyone stays somewhere walkable to the beach, grocery store, etc.

This is the first time I have ever heard someone say that highways are are not public infrastructure. And that is after hearing a long public debate about what is and is not infrastructure, everyone agreed that it definitely included highways.

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Anonymous wrote:If you want to solve the traffic to the MD/DE shore issue, you would advocate for BRT all the way to the Route 1 transit center in DE and have multiple bus companies running shuttles every 15 minutes from different locations throughout the DC/Baltimore area in season.

Says someone that clearly has never taken their family to the beach.

The idea that someone is going to drag a full cooler, chairs and everything else on a bus is probably the funniest thing I have read in a long time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

I think part of the problem is that post-WWII, the U.S. decided to invest in highways rather than public transport infrastructure. That led to the proliferation of suburbia and spread out communities. Retrofitting a car-based society with an extensive public transportation network is no small task. Sure it would be nice to take the train to Rehoboth, provided we could fit everything we needed in a few suitcases (who does that, BTW), but then what? They'd also have to set up a better transport system in all these beach towns, since not everyone stays somewhere walkable to the beach, grocery store, etc.

This is the first time I have ever heard someone say that highways are are not public infrastructure. And that is after hearing a long public debate about what is and is not infrastructure, everyone agreed that it definitely included highways.

You left out an important word.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you want to solve the traffic to the MD/DE shore issue, you would advocate for BRT all the way to the Route 1 transit center in DE and have multiple bus companies running shuttles every 15 minutes from different locations throughout the DC/Baltimore area in season.

Says someone that clearly has never taken their family to the beach.

The idea that someone is going to drag a full cooler, chairs and everything else on a bus is probably the funniest thing I have read in a long time.

People used to take public transportation to the beach in the US. In other countries, people still do take public transportation to the beach. I guess modern Americans are just uniquely incompetent at beach vacations.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

I think part of the problem is that post-WWII, the U.S. decided to invest in highways rather than public transport infrastructure. That led to the proliferation of suburbia and spread out communities. Retrofitting a car-based society with an extensive public transportation network is no small task. Sure it would be nice to take the train to Rehoboth, provided we could fit everything we needed in a few suitcases (who does that, BTW), but then what? They'd also have to set up a better transport system in all these beach towns, since not everyone stays somewhere walkable to the beach, grocery store, etc.

This is the first time I have ever heard someone say that highways are are not public infrastructure. And that is after hearing a long public debate about what is and is not infrastructure, everyone agreed that it definitely included highways.

You left out an important word.

No I did not. Unless you think cars are not a form of transportation.

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This obnoxious person apparently doesn't know that Maryland has beaches and an enormous amount of shoreline that generates a significant amount of tourism revenue, which is one of the states biggest economic sectors.

On the other hand, the entire world revolves around the whims and needs of a small handful of people who both choose to live in Montgomery County and chose to not own cars. We should be subsidizing the lifestyle of about 25 people with billions in public investment because they deserve it because they are clearly morally superior to the rest of us.

Talk to the person who specifically mentioned Rehoboth, eh? Rehoboth is not in Maryland.

Meanwhile, it's weird how defensive some people are about their car-dependence, and how they insist that everyone else is, and ought to continue to be, as car-dependent as they are. For most people in Montgomery County who don't have access to a car, it's because they can't afford a car (cars are very expensive) or can't drive (due to age or disability). Many other households have fewer than one vehicle per driving adult.

My graduated-high-school-senior kid and their friends want to go spend a week at the Maryland beach. If there were a public-transportation option, they could all get themselves there. But there isn't, so multiple parents will have to drive multiple round trips just to get some 18-year-olds to the beach.

[Anonymous]

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I think part of the problem is that post-WWII, the U.S. decided to invest in highways rather than public transport infrastructure. That led to the proliferation of suburbia and spread out communities. Retrofitting a car-based society with an extensive public transportation network is no small task. Sure it would be nice to take the train to Rehoboth, provided we could fit everything we needed in a few suitcases (who does that, BTW), but then what? They'd also have to set up a better transport system in all these beach towns, since not everyone stays somewhere walkable to the beach, grocery store, etc.

This is the first time I have ever heard someone say that highways are are not public infrastructure. And that is after hearing a long public debate about what is and is not infrastructure, everyone agreed that it definitely included highways.

You left out an important word.

No I did not. Unless you think cars are not a form of transportation.

Do you consider cars a form of public transportation? Well, maybe you do, but most other people don't, so it probably leads to some confusing conversations.