what's with local pols opposing expanding 270 and 495?

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Anonymous wrote:If you want to solve the traffic to the MD/DE shore issue, you would advocate for BRT all the way to the Route 1 transit center in DE and have multiple bus companies running shuttles every 15 minutes from different locations throughout the DC/Baltimore area in season.

Says someone that clearly has never taken their family to the beach.

The idea that someone is going to drag a full cooler, chairs and everything else on a bus is probably the funniest thing I have read in a long time.

how do you think people got to the beach in previous eras?

There are scores of buses that go up and down the garden state parkway every day from the Port Authority. Why can't we do that here? It would take enough cars off the road to ease the burden for people like you who would prefer to drive. What is the big deal? Give different people different options rather than forcing everyone to drive.

Just because they had horse drawn carriages and whale oil lamps in the past does not make us beholden to using them today.

I will never understand this. People who insist on driving everywhere should WANT to provide options so that other people don't have to drive everywhere. And yet here are all of these posters on DCUM, explaining how it's impossible for a family to go to the beach on public transportation, and comparing buses to whale oil lamps. It's almost like they love sitting in traffic and want everyone else to sit in traffic with them.

You are misconstruing the debate. I am pro everything. You are anti-anything that has to do with cars. If someone wants to take the bus, that’s great. I’m just not going to do it if I don’t have to. But you don’t understand that there actually already are direct bus services to Rehoboth. One picks up in DuPont and takes 3 hours or less, which is great. My view is that taking a car to the beach is a preferable and I would rent one if I didn’t have one. You conversely want to make it difficult for people to drive. So you stand alone there.

+1. I was just about to mention the existing bus services! For someone who is so anti-car I’m surprised PP didn’t know about them. Maybe they look down on buses. I’m sure if these were filled every weekend and there was demand for more, more trips would be added.

Not anti-bus, but how does one take their bikes, food, toys, clothes, beach stuff, etc. down to the beach on a bus?

It was more for the PP complaining about the lack of public transport options. I agree it really only works if you’re staying in a hotel, no kids stuff, and renting beach gear.

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I'm just going to say that if BestBus is public transportation, then so is Southwest.

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Anonymous wrote:If you want to solve the traffic to the MD/DE shore issue, you would advocate for BRT all the way to the Route 1 transit center in DE and have multiple bus companies running shuttles every 15 minutes from different locations throughout the DC/Baltimore area in season.

Says someone that clearly has never taken their family to the beach.

The idea that someone is going to drag a full cooler, chairs and everything else on a bus is probably the funniest thing I have read in a long time.

how do you think people got to the beach in previous eras?

There are scores of buses that go up and down the garden state parkway every day from the Port Authority. Why can't we do that here? It would take enough cars off the road to ease the burden for people like you who would prefer to drive. What is the big deal? Give different people different options rather than forcing everyone to drive.

Just because they had horse drawn carriages and whale oil lamps in the past does not make us beholden to using them today.

I will never understand this. People who insist on driving everywhere should WANT to provide options so that other people don't have to drive everywhere. And yet here are all of these posters on DCUM, explaining how it's impossible for a family to go to the beach on public transportation, and comparing buses to whale oil lamps. It's almost like they love sitting in traffic and want everyone else to sit in traffic with them.

You are misconstruing the debate. I am pro everything. You are anti-anything that has to do with cars. If someone wants to take the bus, that’s great. I’m just not going to do it if I don’t have to. But you don’t understand that there actually already are direct bus services to Rehoboth. One picks up in DuPont and takes 3 hours or less, which is great. My view is that taking a car to the beach is a preferable and I would rent one if I didn’t have one. You conversely want to make it difficult for people to drive. So you stand alone there.

+1. I was just about to mention the existing bus services! For someone who is so anti-car I’m surprised PP didn’t know about them. Maybe they look down on buses. I’m sure if these were filled every weekend and there was demand for more, more trips would be added.

Not anti-bus, but how does one take their bikes, food, toys, clothes, beach stuff, etc. down to the beach on a bus?

It was more for the PP complaining about the lack of public transport options. I agree it really only works if you’re staying in a hotel, no kids stuff, and renting beach gear.

Imagine all the teens and twenty somethings taking buses, freeing up road capacity for people like you.

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Anonymous wrote:If you want to solve the traffic to the MD/DE shore issue, you would advocate for BRT all the way to the Route 1 transit center in DE and have multiple bus companies running shuttles every 15 minutes from different locations throughout the DC/Baltimore area in season.

Says someone that clearly has never taken their family to the beach.

The idea that someone is going to drag a full cooler, chairs and everything else on a bus is probably the funniest thing I have read in a long time.

how do you think people got to the beach in previous eras?

There are scores of buses that go up and down the garden state parkway every day from the Port Authority. Why can't we do that here? It would take enough cars off the road to ease the burden for people like you who would prefer to drive. What is the big deal? Give different people different options rather than forcing everyone to drive.

Just because they had horse drawn carriages and whale oil lamps in the past does not make us beholden to using them today.

I will never understand this. People who insist on driving everywhere should WANT to provide options so that other people don't have to drive everywhere. And yet here are all of these posters on DCUM, explaining how it's impossible for a family to go to the beach on public transportation, and comparing buses to whale oil lamps. It's almost like they love sitting in traffic and want everyone else to sit in traffic with them.

You are misconstruing the debate. I am pro everything. You are anti-anything that has to do with cars. If someone wants to take the bus, that’s great. I’m just not going to do it if I don’t have to. But you don’t understand that there actually already are direct bus services to Rehoboth. One picks up in DuPont and takes 3 hours or less, which is great. My view is that taking a car to the beach is a preferable and I would rent one if I didn’t have one. You conversely want to make it difficult for people to drive. So you stand alone there.

+1. I was just about to mention the existing bus services! For someone who is so anti-car I’m surprised PP didn’t know about them. Maybe they look down on buses. I’m sure if these were filled every weekend and there was demand for more, more trips would be added.

Not anti-bus, but how does one take their bikes, food, toys, clothes, beach stuff, etc. down to the beach on a bus?

It was more for the PP complaining about the lack of public transport options. I agree it really only works if you’re staying in a hotel, no kids stuff, and renting beach gear.

Imagine all the teens and twenty somethings taking buses, freeing up road capacity for people like you.

Imagine if they did, but their parents are driving them right? They want a fast train option for their teens, not some lowly bus option.

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Anonymous wrote:If you want to solve the traffic to the MD/DE shore issue, you would advocate for BRT all the way to the Route 1 transit center in DE and have multiple bus companies running shuttles every 15 minutes from different locations throughout the DC/Baltimore area in season.

Says someone that clearly has never taken their family to the beach.

The idea that someone is going to drag a full cooler, chairs and everything else on a bus is probably the funniest thing I have read in a long time.

how do you think people got to the beach in previous eras?

There are scores of buses that go up and down the garden state parkway every day from the Port Authority. Why can't we do that here? It would take enough cars off the road to ease the burden for people like you who would prefer to drive. What is the big deal? Give different people different options rather than forcing everyone to drive.

Just because they had horse drawn carriages and whale oil lamps in the past does not make us beholden to using them today.

I will never understand this. People who insist on driving everywhere should WANT to provide options so that other people don't have to drive everywhere. And yet here are all of these posters on DCUM, explaining how it's impossible for a family to go to the beach on public transportation, and comparing buses to whale oil lamps. It's almost like they love sitting in traffic and want everyone else to sit in traffic with them.

You are misconstruing the debate. I am pro everything. You are anti-anything that has to do with cars. If someone wants to take the bus, that’s great. I’m just not going to do it if I don’t have to. But you don’t understand that there actually already are direct bus services to Rehoboth. One picks up in DuPont and takes 3 hours or less, which is great. My view is that taking a car to the beach is a preferable and I would rent one if I didn’t have one. You conversely want to make it difficult for people to drive. So you stand alone there.

+1. I was just about to mention the existing bus services! For someone who is so anti-car I’m surprised PP didn’t know about them. Maybe they look down on buses. I’m sure if these were filled every weekend and there was demand for more, more trips would be added.

Not anti-bus, but how does one take their bikes, food, toys, clothes, beach stuff, etc. down to the beach on a bus?

It was more for the PP complaining about the lack of public transport options. I agree it really only works if you’re staying in a hotel, no kids stuff, and renting beach gear.

Imagine all the teens and twenty somethings taking buses, freeing up road capacity for people like you.

Imagine if they did, but their parents are driving them right? They want a fast train option for their teens, not some lowly bus option.

Imagine parents who let their teenage kids go to Beach Week caring about this stuff.

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Imagine if they did, but their parents are driving them right? They want a fast train option for their teens, not some lowly bus option.

Huh? Lots of teenagers in Montgomery County routinely ride buses.

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Imagine if they did, but their parents are driving them right? They want a fast train option for their teens, not some lowly bus option.

Huh? Lots of teenagers in Montgomery County routinely ride buses.

To the beach? That's what is being discussed, which admitted is a bit off topic from where this thread started.

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if there were a reliable bus option to the beach, teens and twenty something would use it. Instead, their parents have to drive the teens or the twenty something drive cars, clogging the roads for the families.

Provide buses and it frees up road capacity for the cars.

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Anonymous wrote:if there were a reliable bus option to the beach, teens and twenty something would use it. Instead, their parents have to drive the teens or the twenty something drive cars, clogging the roads for the families.

Provide buses and it frees up road capacity for the cars.

There is a reliable bus option to the beach. Non-stop direct service in fact.

https://www.bestbus.com/

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Anonymous wrote:if there were a reliable bus option to the beach, teens and twenty something would use it. Instead, their parents have to drive the teens or the twenty something drive cars, clogging the roads for the families.

Provide buses and it frees up road capacity for the cars.

There is a reliable bus option to the beach. Non-stop direct service in fact.

https://www.bestbus.com/

From Dupont Circle (which is in DC) to Rehoboth and Dewey Beach (which are both in Delaware).

You'd think the governor of Maryland, who is so concerned about the Ocean City economy, would encourage a reliable bus option for Marylanders to get to the Maryland beaches. But you'd be wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:if there were a reliable bus option to the beach, teens and twenty something would use it. Instead, their parents have to drive the teens or the twenty something drive cars, clogging the roads for the families.

Provide buses and it frees up road capacity for the cars.

There is a reliable bus option to the beach. Non-stop direct service in fact.

https://www.bestbus.com/

From Dupont Circle (which is in DC) to Rehoboth and Dewey Beach (which are both in Delaware).

You'd think the governor of Maryland, who is so concerned about the Ocean City economy, would encourage a reliable bus option for Marylanders to get to the Maryland beaches. But you'd be wrong.

A. You are changing goalposts. You specifically said "beach" and did not specify.

B. What does the Governor of MD have to do with what? If there was demand, there would be a private bus company operating that route like the several that operate between Bethesda and New York.

C. I'm not sure what your deal is, but its boring. So see ya!

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Anonymous wrote:Same story as usual, take a lot of poor minorities' land to expand for shitty highways. Good thing it has been pared back....for now.

Funny how we can't get public transportation because rich assholes in Bethesda and Chevy Chase though are angry that the purple line might cause a little bit of inconvenience. Build over where those poor minorities live though? No problem!

God America sucks. All anyone can ever think about is stupid car centric transportation We should be trying to develop like an actual 1st world country like Japan, Germany, China, Singapore, or South Korea.

The only place you name there that is geographically comparable in any way is China. The others are tiny. I agree that central planning and funding make it easier to create high speed rail in China, along with the fact that the proportion of the population who already had cars was much lower, so some transportation alternative was needed. But, in the United States, the car represents freedom. If you don't like it, there are other countries with excellent rail where you can move.

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It is a exactly the idea that everyone else sits in traffic. That’s the whole point of HOT lanes. They establish a market price on lost time due to traffic.

This is a stupid game. No toll and you cry “induced demand”. Toll and you cry “not fair”. And then in another breath complain that roads are subsidized and people are not paying the full cost.

Those are just statements of fact.

-If there are no tolls, then there will be induced demand.

-If there are tolls, then the people who don't pay the tolls will sit in the same traffic (or maybe worse traffic) than before.

-The roads are subsidized, and drivers are not paying the full costs of driving.

It's up to you to decide how you want those facts to affect your opinions.

If Hogan were proposing to toll existing lanes, and Hogan were not proposing to do everything at supposedly $0 taxpayer expense because a for-profit company is going to do it all, then we could have a discussion about putting a market price on driving. Neither is true, however. Hogan is promising a free lunch for everyone, and you know there's no such thing as a free lunch.

Except the public transportation options proposed by people like the PP will also leave ALL drivers sitting in worse traffic than before as they take existing lanes for dedicated bus lanes, etc.

Public transportation is even more subsidized by government than driving.

Actually, I think that most drivers probably pay the full costs of their own driving. Most road damage is caused by trucking, and ALL consumers should be bearing the cost to fix roads if they consume anything brought to market on a truck.

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Except the public transportation options proposed by people like the PP will also leave ALL drivers sitting in worse traffic than before as they take existing lanes for dedicated bus lanes, etc.

Public transportation is even more subsidized by government than driving.

Actually, I think that most drivers probably pay the full costs of their own driving. Most road damage is caused by trucking, and ALL consumers should be bearing the cost to fix roads if they consume anything brought to market on a truck.

If you were sitting there on the highway in your single-occupancy vehicle, fingers clenched around the steering wheel, surrounded by other people in their single-occupancy vehicles, and you saw a bus go by in the dedicated bus lane, would you think

a. Hey, maybe I should try using that bus for my trip!
b. I don't care how much faster/more convenient/less stressful it might be to go by bus, I am never ever ever going anywhere except in my own car.

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And no, drivers don't pay the full cost of their driving. The federal gas tax was last increased in 1993.

Then factor in the costs of water pollution, air pollution, greenhouse gas emissions, and crashes (first responders, lost wages, medical costs, etc.). And all that "free" parking.