what's with local pols opposing expanding 270 and 495?

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This obnoxious person apparently doesn't know that Maryland has beaches and an enormous amount of shoreline that generates a significant amount of tourism revenue, which is one of the states biggest economic sectors.

On the other hand, the entire world revolves around the whims and needs of a small handful of people who both choose to live in Montgomery County and chose to not own cars. We should be subsidizing the lifestyle of about 25 people with billions in public investment because they deserve it because they are clearly morally superior to the rest of us.

Talk to the person who specifically mentioned Rehoboth, eh? Rehoboth is not in Maryland.

Meanwhile, it's weird how defensive some people are about their car-dependence, and how they insist that everyone else is, and ought to continue to be, as car-dependent as they are. For most people in Montgomery County who don't have access to a car, it's because they can't afford a car (cars are very expensive) or can't drive (due to age or disability). Many other households have fewer than one vehicle per driving adult.

My graduated-high-school-senior kid and their friends want to go spend a week at the Maryland beach. If there were a public-transportation option, they could all get themselves there. But there isn't, so multiple parents will have to drive multiple round trips just to get some 18-year-olds to the beach.

I had a legally blind coworker who took a train to Baltimore and caught a bus. Most people woould consider that too hard but he had no options.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you want to solve the traffic to the MD/DE shore issue, you would advocate for BRT all the way to the Route 1 transit center in DE and have multiple bus companies running shuttles every 15 minutes from different locations throughout the DC/Baltimore area in season.

Says someone that clearly has never taken their family to the beach.

The idea that someone is going to drag a full cooler, chairs and everything else on a bus is probably the funniest thing I have read in a long time.

how do you think people got to the beach in previous eras?

There are scores of buses that go up and down the garden state parkway every day from the Port Authority. Why can't we do that here? It would take enough cars off the road to ease the burden for people like you who would prefer to drive. What is the big deal? Give different people different options rather than forcing everyone to drive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you want to solve the traffic to the MD/DE shore issue, you would advocate for BRT all the way to the Route 1 transit center in DE and have multiple bus companies running shuttles every 15 minutes from different locations throughout the DC/Baltimore area in season.

Says someone that clearly has never taken their family to the beach.

The idea that someone is going to drag a full cooler, chairs and everything else on a bus is probably the funniest thing I have read in a long time.

how do you think people got to the beach in previous eras?

There are scores of buses that go up and down the garden state parkway every day from the Port Authority. Why can't we do that here? It would take enough cars off the road to ease the burden for people like you who would prefer to drive. What is the big deal? Give different people different options rather than forcing everyone to drive.

Just because they had horse drawn carriages and whale oil lamps in the past does not make us beholden to using them today.

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Anonymous wrote:If you want to solve the traffic to the MD/DE shore issue, you would advocate for BRT all the way to the Route 1 transit center in DE and have multiple bus companies running shuttles every 15 minutes from different locations throughout the DC/Baltimore area in season.

Says someone that clearly has never taken their family to the beach.

The idea that someone is going to drag a full cooler, chairs and everything else on a bus is probably the funniest thing I have read in a long time.

how do you think people got to the beach in previous eras?

There are scores of buses that go up and down the garden state parkway every day from the Port Authority. Why can't we do that here? It would take enough cars off the road to ease the burden for people like you who would prefer to drive. What is the big deal? Give different people different options rather than forcing everyone to drive.

Just because they had horse drawn carriages and whale oil lamps in the past does not make us beholden to using them today.

I will never understand this. People who insist on driving everywhere should WANT to provide options so that other people don't have to drive everywhere. And yet here are all of these posters on DCUM, explaining how it's impossible for a family to go to the beach on public transportation, and comparing buses to whale oil lamps. It's almost like they love sitting in traffic and want everyone else to sit in traffic with them.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you want to solve the traffic to the MD/DE shore issue, you would advocate for BRT all the way to the Route 1 transit center in DE and have multiple bus companies running shuttles every 15 minutes from different locations throughout the DC/Baltimore area in season.

Says someone that clearly has never taken their family to the beach.

The idea that someone is going to drag a full cooler, chairs and everything else on a bus is probably the funniest thing I have read in a long time.

how do you think people got to the beach in previous eras?

There are scores of buses that go up and down the garden state parkway every day from the Port Authority. Why can't we do that here? It would take enough cars off the road to ease the burden for people like you who would prefer to drive. What is the big deal? Give different people different options rather than forcing everyone to drive.

Just because they had horse drawn carriages and whale oil lamps in the past does not make us beholden to using them today.

I will never understand this. People who insist on driving everywhere should WANT to provide options so that other people don't have to drive everywhere. And yet here are all of these posters on DCUM, explaining how it's impossible for a family to go to the beach on public transportation, and comparing buses to whale oil lamps. It's almost like they love sitting in traffic and want everyone else to sit in traffic with them.

You are misconstruing the debate. I am pro everything. You are anti-anything that has to do with cars. If someone wants to take the bus, that’s great. I’m just not going to do it if I don’t have to. But you don’t understand that there actually already are direct bus services to Rehoboth. One picks up in DuPont and takes 3 hours or less, which is great. My view is that taking a car to the beach is a preferable and I would rent one if I didn’t have one. You conversely want to make it difficult for people to drive. So you stand alone there.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you want to solve the traffic to the MD/DE shore issue, you would advocate for BRT all the way to the Route 1 transit center in DE and have multiple bus companies running shuttles every 15 minutes from different locations throughout the DC/Baltimore area in season.

Says someone that clearly has never taken their family to the beach.

The idea that someone is going to drag a full cooler, chairs and everything else on a bus is probably the funniest thing I have read in a long time.

how do you think people got to the beach in previous eras?

There are scores of buses that go up and down the garden state parkway every day from the Port Authority. Why can't we do that here? It would take enough cars off the road to ease the burden for people like you who would prefer to drive. What is the big deal? Give different people different options rather than forcing everyone to drive.

Just because they had horse drawn carriages and whale oil lamps in the past does not make us beholden to using them today.

I will never understand this. People who insist on driving everywhere should WANT to provide options so that other people don't have to drive everywhere. And yet here are all of these posters on DCUM, explaining how it's impossible for a family to go to the beach on public transportation, and comparing buses to whale oil lamps. It's almost like they love sitting in traffic and want everyone else to sit in traffic with them.

You are misconstruing the debate. I am pro everything. You are anti-anything that has to do with cars. If someone wants to take the bus, that’s great. I’m just not going to do it if I don’t have to. But you don’t understand that there actually already are direct bus services to Rehoboth. One picks up in DuPont and takes 3 hours or less, which is great. My view is that taking a car to the beach is a preferable and I would rent one if I didn’t have one. You conversely want to make it difficult for people to drive. So you stand alone there.

+1. I was just about to mention the existing bus services! For someone who is so anti-car I’m surprised PP didn’t know about them. Maybe they look down on buses. I’m sure if these were filled every weekend and there was demand for more, more trips would be added.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you want to solve the traffic to the MD/DE shore issue, you would advocate for BRT all the way to the Route 1 transit center in DE and have multiple bus companies running shuttles every 15 minutes from different locations throughout the DC/Baltimore area in season.

Says someone that clearly has never taken their family to the beach.

The idea that someone is going to drag a full cooler, chairs and everything else on a bus is probably the funniest thing I have read in a long time.

how do you think people got to the beach in previous eras?

There are scores of buses that go up and down the garden state parkway every day from the Port Authority. Why can't we do that here? It would take enough cars off the road to ease the burden for people like you who would prefer to drive. What is the big deal? Give different people different options rather than forcing everyone to drive.

Just because they had horse drawn carriages and whale oil lamps in the past does not make us beholden to using them today.

I will never understand this. People who insist on driving everywhere should WANT to provide options so that other people don't have to drive everywhere. And yet here are all of these posters on DCUM, explaining how it's impossible for a family to go to the beach on public transportation, and comparing buses to whale oil lamps. It's almost like they love sitting in traffic and want everyone else to sit in traffic with them.

You are misconstruing the debate. I am pro everything. You are anti-anything that has to do with cars. If someone wants to take the bus, that’s great. I’m just not going to do it if I don’t have to. But you don’t understand that there actually already are direct bus services to Rehoboth. One picks up in DuPont and takes 3 hours or less, which is great. My view is that taking a car to the beach is a preferable and I would rent one if I didn’t have one. You conversely want to make it difficult for people to drive. So you stand alone there.

+1. I was just about to mention the existing bus services! For someone who is so anti-car I’m surprised PP didn’t know about them. Maybe they look down on buses. I’m sure if these were filled every weekend and there was demand for more, more trips would be added.

The secret is that these virtue signaling folks are usually big hypocrites. They all own cars and drive to the beach like everyone else. They just want other people to take the bus.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you want to solve the traffic to the MD/DE shore issue, you would advocate for BRT all the way to the Route 1 transit center in DE and have multiple bus companies running shuttles every 15 minutes from different locations throughout the DC/Baltimore area in season.

Says someone that clearly has never taken their family to the beach.

The idea that someone is going to drag a full cooler, chairs and everything else on a bus is probably the funniest thing I have read in a long time.

how do you think people got to the beach in previous eras?

There are scores of buses that go up and down the garden state parkway every day from the Port Authority. Why can't we do that here? It would take enough cars off the road to ease the burden for people like you who would prefer to drive. What is the big deal? Give different people different options rather than forcing everyone to drive.

Just because they had horse drawn carriages and whale oil lamps in the past does not make us beholden to using them today.

I will never understand this. People who insist on driving everywhere should WANT to provide options so that other people don't have to drive everywhere. And yet here are all of these posters on DCUM, explaining how it's impossible for a family to go to the beach on public transportation, and comparing buses to whale oil lamps. It's almost like they love sitting in traffic and want everyone else to sit in traffic with them.

You are misconstruing the debate. I am pro everything. You are anti-anything that has to do with cars. If someone wants to take the bus, that’s great. I’m just not going to do it if I don’t have to. But you don’t understand that there actually already are direct bus services to Rehoboth. One picks up in DuPont and takes 3 hours or less, which is great. My view is that taking a car to the beach is a preferable and I would rent one if I didn’t have one. You conversely want to make it difficult for people to drive. So you stand alone there.

+1. I was just about to mention the existing bus services! For someone who is so anti-car I’m surprised PP didn’t know about them. Maybe they look down on buses. I’m sure if these were filled every weekend and there was demand for more, more trips would be added.

Not anti-bus, but how does one take their bikes, food, toys, clothes, beach stuff, etc. down to the beach on a bus?

[Anonymous]

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You are misconstruing the debate. I am pro everything. You are anti-anything that has to do with cars. If someone wants to take the bus, that’s great. I’m just not going to do it if I don’t have to. But you don’t understand that there actually already are direct bus services to Rehoboth. One picks up in DuPont and takes 3 hours or less, which is great. My view is that taking a car to the beach is a preferable and I would rent one if I didn’t have one. You conversely want to make it difficult for people to drive. So you stand alone there.

OK, so there is BestBus, which currently runs buses from Dupont Circle to Dewey Beach and to Rehoboth, Friday-Sunday only, $50 one way. Thank you for pointing this out, seriously, because it's not in the Google transit directions.

There are no buses to Ocean City, so I guess my Maryland kid will spend their summer beach money in Delaware.

When we don't spend transportation money on making it easier for people to drive, that's not making it more difficult for people to drive. That's just not making it easier for people to drive.

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Not anti-bus, but how does one take their bikes, food, toys, clothes, beach stuff, etc. down to the beach on a bus?

How do people manage this who fly to beach vacations?

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Not anti-bus, but how does one take their bikes, food, toys, clothes, beach stuff, etc. down to the beach on a bus?

How do people manage this who fly to beach vacations?

They can afford to rent stuff at their destination. Not everyone can. That’s why a great majority of locals go to a local beach.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When democrats eventually ban driving, force you to use public transit, drastically increasing commuting time, they aren't going to exempt you because you drive a hybrid or a Tesla. It's going to apply to you as well.

[Anonymous]

Metro needs to put wifi and starbucks inside the stations and trains, charge and use the money to maintain the system and clean the cars. If I could work and drink coffee on the metro I'd be much more likely to take it. But as it is, metro is expensive, time consuming, inconvenient and unpleasant. At least let me have some dang coffee.

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Not anti-bus, but how does one take their bikes, food, toys, clothes, beach stuff, etc. down to the beach on a bus?

How do people manage this who fly to beach vacations?

They can afford to rent stuff at their destination. Not everyone can. That’s why a great majority of locals go to a local beach.

NP in nicer areas with beaches that you fly to, you stay in hotels. The hotel provides beach chairs and umbrellas. They have service and will bring you drinks to your beach chair. No one grocery shops or hauls tons and tons of food to the beach. They go eat at the boardwalk shops or the restaurants. I much prefer that kind of vacation than one where I'm cooking and cleaning all weekend long.

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Anonymous wrote:Metro needs to put wifi and starbucks inside the stations and trains, charge and use the money to maintain the system and clean the cars. If I could work and drink coffee on the metro I'd be much more likely to take it. But as it is, metro is expensive, time consuming, inconvenient and unpleasant. At least let me have some dang coffee.

There IS wifi in the stations and trains.