Real talk: are there going to be enough teachers for summer school?

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Anonymous wrote:Even as some parents are worried that there won’t be enough teachers for summer school, they can’t stop attacking the people they need to volunteer.

Suddenly explaining that MCPS benefits are not that bad is "attacking"? SMH.

Also, they're being PAID. It's not volunteer work.

But they have to volunteer to take the work. No one can be forced to do it. If not enough teachers volunteer, you won’t have summer school. It’s telling that the extra pay isn’t enticing.

Sounds like the salary they get for working 10 months is enough.

I’m working outside at a garden center this summer for a lot less than summer school. I’d rather scrimp during the school year than work summer school.

And that is a perfectly valid choice. It is also a legitimate benefit to have the choice of taking a break from your regular job for two months, that most salaried professionals do not get (and certainly not every year).

I think it just speaks so highly of the crab in a barrel mentality of the American workplace that we're just so angry at people for having a better work life balance is ith more built in time off. A lot of countries structure their work differently so that people can take extended time off and recharge and relax. I don't have a lot of high hopes but I hope that maybe the pandemic can demonstrate that people can work flexible hours and still be productive and get their job done without having to be locked into working in the office for 8 to 12 hours

I'm not angry that the benefit exists, I'm angry that the people who have it complain constantly about their "terrible benefits".

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I'm thrilled if people have the option for that increased balance and then choose it. Great! Please, though, don't choose a specific job in part for its benefits and then turn around and complain about them.

If by benefits you mean not paid for several months then yeah. Balancing a new job for a paycheck is increased balance.

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Anonymous wrote:Even as some parents are worried that there won’t be enough teachers for summer school, they can’t stop attacking the people they need to volunteer.

Suddenly explaining that MCPS benefits are not that bad is "attacking"? SMH.

Also, they're being PAID. It's not volunteer work.

But they have to volunteer to take the work. No one can be forced to do it. If not enough teachers volunteer, you won’t have summer school. It’s telling that the extra pay isn’t enticing.

Sounds like the salary they get for working 10 months is enough.

I’m working outside at a garden center this summer for a lot less than summer school. I’d rather scrimp during the school year than work summer school.

And that is a perfectly valid choice. It is also a legitimate benefit to have the choice of taking a break from your regular job for two months, that most salaried professionals do not get (and certainly not every year).

Remember teachers don’t get paid for the summers, so it’s not really “off”. Either way, I still have 17 days of mandatory training to complete this summer at $20/hr. Hope it’s relevant to my position!

Case and point - thanks for illustrating how absolutely insufferable teachers can be.

The only insufferable poster here is you. I'm a parent and I'm ashamed of parents like you. We aren't all this way.

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Anonymous wrote:Even as some parents are worried that there won’t be enough teachers for summer school, they can’t stop attacking the people they need to volunteer.

Suddenly explaining that MCPS benefits are not that bad is "attacking"? SMH.

Also, they're being PAID. It's not volunteer work.

But they have to volunteer to take the work. No one can be forced to do it. If not enough teachers volunteer, you won’t have summer school. It’s telling that the extra pay isn’t enticing.

Sounds like the salary they get for working 10 months is enough.

I’m working outside at a garden center this summer for a lot less than summer school. I’d rather scrimp during the school year than work summer school.

And that is a perfectly valid choice. It is also a legitimate benefit to have the choice of taking a break from your regular job for two months, that most salaried professionals do not get (and certainly not every year).

Remember teachers don’t get paid for the summers, so it’s not really “off”. Either way, I still have 17 days of mandatory training to complete this summer at $20/hr. Hope it’s relevant to my position!

Case and point - thanks for illustrating how absolutely insufferable teachers can be.

The only insufferable poster here is you. I'm a parent and I'm ashamed of parents like you. We aren't all this way.

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Sorry I haven't been brainwashed by MCEA. I actually think teachers have a super difficult job but MCEA makes it more difficult by convincing them they are getting constantly screwed over.

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Anonymous wrote:Even as some parents are worried that there won’t be enough teachers for summer school, they can’t stop attacking the people they need to volunteer.

Suddenly explaining that MCPS benefits are not that bad is "attacking"? SMH.

Also, they're being PAID. It's not volunteer work.

But they have to volunteer to take the work. No one can be forced to do it. If not enough teachers volunteer, you won’t have summer school. It’s telling that the extra pay isn’t enticing.

Sounds like the salary they get for working 10 months is enough.

I’m working outside at a garden center this summer for a lot less than summer school. I’d rather scrimp during the school year than work summer school.

And that is a perfectly valid choice. It is also a legitimate benefit to have the choice of taking a break from your regular job for two months, that most salaried professionals do not get (and certainly not every year).

I think it just speaks so highly of the crab in a barrel mentality of the American workplace that we're just so angry at people for having a better work life balance is ith more built in time off. A lot of countries structure their work differently so that people can take extended time off and recharge and relax. I don't have a lot of high hopes but I hope that maybe the pandemic can demonstrate that people can work flexible hours and still be productive and get their job done without having to be locked into working in the office for 8 to 12 hours

I'm not angry that the benefit exists, I'm angry that the people who have it complain constantly about their "terrible benefits".

+1

I'm thrilled if people have the option for that increased balance and then choose it. Great! Please, though, don't choose a specific job in part for its benefits and then turn around and complain about them.

If by benefits you mean not paid for several months then yeah. Balancing a new job for a paycheck is increased balance.

“not paid for several months”? You are paid for the work you do. When you are teaching, you are paid. When you are not teaching, you are not paid. You can opt to have your paycheck given to you over 10 months or 12 months, so I am not sure why you say you are “not paid” over the summer. I literally do not know anyone who expects to be paid for time they are not working unless you are a college professor on sabbatical, and even then you are expected to generate research and scholarship.

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I'm going to take a wild guess and say PP would not be supportive of extending the school year at all MCPS schools so that they do not get "not paid for several months".

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Anonymous wrote:Even as some parents are worried that there won’t be enough teachers for summer school, they can’t stop attacking the people they need to volunteer.

Suddenly explaining that MCPS benefits are not that bad is "attacking"? SMH.

Also, they're being PAID. It's not volunteer work.

But they have to volunteer to take the work. No one can be forced to do it. If not enough teachers volunteer, you won’t have summer school. It’s telling that the extra pay isn’t enticing.

Sounds like the salary they get for working 10 months is enough.

I’m working outside at a garden center this summer for a lot less than summer school. I’d rather scrimp during the school year than work summer school.

And that is a perfectly valid choice. It is also a legitimate benefit to have the choice of taking a break from your regular job for two months, that most salaried professionals do not get (and certainly not every year).

I think it just speaks so highly of the crab in a barrel mentality of the American workplace that we're just so angry at people for having a better work life balance is ith more built in time off. A lot of countries structure their work differently so that people can take extended time off and recharge and relax. I don't have a lot of high hopes but I hope that maybe the pandemic can demonstrate that people can work flexible hours and still be productive and get their job done without having to be locked into working in the office for 8 to 12 hours

I'm not angry that the benefit exists, I'm angry that the people who have it complain constantly about their "terrible benefits".

+1

I'm thrilled if people have the option for that increased balance and then choose it. Great! Please, though, don't choose a specific job in part for its benefits and then turn around and complain about them.

If by benefits you mean not paid for several months then yeah. Balancing a new job for a paycheck is increased balance.

“not paid for several months”? You are paid for the work you do. When you are teaching, you are paid. When you are not teaching, you are not paid. You can opt to have your paycheck given to you over 10 months or 12 months, so I am not sure why you say you are “not paid” over the summer. I literally do not know anyone who expects to be paid for time they are not working unless you are a college professor on sabbatical, and even then you are expected to generate research and scholarship.

I have friends and relatives in Europe who get paid for a month of not working.

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Anonymous wrote:Even as some parents are worried that there won’t be enough teachers for summer school, they can’t stop attacking the people they need to volunteer.

Suddenly explaining that MCPS benefits are not that bad is "attacking"? SMH.

Also, they're being PAID. It's not volunteer work.

But they have to volunteer to take the work. No one can be forced to do it. If not enough teachers volunteer, you won’t have summer school. It’s telling that the extra pay isn’t enticing.

Sounds like the salary they get for working 10 months is enough.

I’m working outside at a garden center this summer for a lot less than summer school. I’d rather scrimp during the school year than work summer school.

And that is a perfectly valid choice. It is also a legitimate benefit to have the choice of taking a break from your regular job for two months, that most salaried professionals do not get (and certainly not every year).

I think it just speaks so highly of the crab in a barrel mentality of the American workplace that we're just so angry at people for having a better work life balance is ith more built in time off. A lot of countries structure their work differently so that people can take extended time off and recharge and relax. I don't have a lot of high hopes but I hope that maybe the pandemic can demonstrate that people can work flexible hours and still be productive and get their job done without having to be locked into working in the office for 8 to 12 hours

I'm not angry that the benefit exists, I'm angry that the people who have it complain constantly about their "terrible benefits".

+1

I'm thrilled if people have the option for that increased balance and then choose it. Great! Please, though, don't choose a specific job in part for its benefits and then turn around and complain about them.

If by benefits you mean not paid for several months then yeah. Balancing a new job for a paycheck is increased balance.

“not paid for several months”? You are paid for the work you do. When you are teaching, you are paid. When you are not teaching, you are not paid. You can opt to have your paycheck given to you over 10 months or 12 months, so I am not sure why you say you are “not paid” over the summer. I literally do not know anyone who expects to be paid for time they are not working unless you are a college professor on sabbatical, and even then you are expected to generate research and scholarship.

I have friends and relatives in Europe who get paid for a month of not working.

I've lived in Europe, and yes they do get more leave. It's nice. And totally irrelevant.

I'm not sure what the argument is here. Do teachers want a 20% across-the-board pay increase so they can get paychecks in the summer (in addition to paychecks from summer school)? Okay, so do I. But good luck with that.
Or do they want to extend the school year so their salary is spread out throughout the year (how would that help - it would just take away the option of earning extra money in the summer)? Or do they want MCPS to fund more instructional days so there aren't two months of no instructional time?

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Anonymous wrote:Even as some parents are worried that there won’t be enough teachers for summer school, they can’t stop attacking the people they need to volunteer.

Suddenly explaining that MCPS benefits are not that bad is "attacking"? SMH.

Also, they're being PAID. It's not volunteer work.

But they have to volunteer to take the work. No one can be forced to do it. If not enough teachers volunteer, you won’t have summer school. It’s telling that the extra pay isn’t enticing.

Sounds like the salary they get for working 10 months is enough.

I’m working outside at a garden center this summer for a lot less than summer school. I’d rather scrimp during the school year than work summer school.

And that is a perfectly valid choice. It is also a legitimate benefit to have the choice of taking a break from your regular job for two months, that most salaried professionals do not get (and certainly not every year).

I think it just speaks so highly of the crab in a barrel mentality of the American workplace that we're just so angry at people for having a better work life balance is ith more built in time off. A lot of countries structure their work differently so that people can take extended time off and recharge and relax. I don't have a lot of high hopes but I hope that maybe the pandemic can demonstrate that people can work flexible hours and still be productive and get their job done without having to be locked into working in the office for 8 to 12 hours

I'm not angry that the benefit exists, I'm angry that the people who have it complain constantly about their "terrible benefits".

+1

I'm thrilled if people have the option for that increased balance and then choose it. Great! Please, though, don't choose a specific job in part for its benefits and then turn around and complain about them.

If by benefits you mean not paid for several months then yeah. Balancing a new job for a paycheck is increased balance.

“not paid for several months”? You are paid for the work you do. When you are teaching, you are paid. When you are not teaching, you are not paid. You can opt to have your paycheck given to you over 10 months or 12 months, so I am not sure why you say you are “not paid” over the summer. I literally do not know anyone who expects to be paid for time they are not working unless you are a college professor on sabbatical, and even then you are expected to generate research and scholarship.

I have friends and relatives in Europe who get paid for a month of not working.

MCPS can easily do that as well. Your (current salary ÷ 10 * 12) gets you there.

[Anonymous]

The only solution here that I see if for MCPS to increase the teacher's and aides summer sign on bonus so that our kids have a safe place to be for the summer and have social interaction. School is a kind of community village where mostly everyone takes parts either in taxes or uses the free public school services. Many families cannot go back to work until school has been figured out.

If the union is asking MCPS to give teachers more money I don't see why that cannot happen. ughhh!!!!

#pAYupMCPS

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Anonymous wrote:Even as some parents are worried that there won’t be enough teachers for summer school, they can’t stop attacking the people they need to volunteer.

Suddenly explaining that MCPS benefits are not that bad is "attacking"? SMH.

Also, they're being PAID. It's not volunteer work.

But they have to volunteer to take the work. No one can be forced to do it. If not enough teachers volunteer, you won’t have summer school. It’s telling that the extra pay isn’t enticing.

Sounds like the salary they get for working 10 months is enough.

I’m working outside at a garden center this summer for a lot less than summer school. I’d rather scrimp during the school year than work summer school.

And that is a perfectly valid choice. It is also a legitimate benefit to have the choice of taking a break from your regular job for two months, that most salaried professionals do not get (and certainly not every year).

I think it just speaks so highly of the crab in a barrel mentality of the American workplace that we're just so angry at people for having a better work life balance is ith more built in time off. A lot of countries structure their work differently so that people can take extended time off and recharge and relax. I don't have a lot of high hopes but I hope that maybe the pandemic can demonstrate that people can work flexible hours and still be productive and get their job done without having to be locked into working in the office for 8 to 12 hours

I'm not angry that the benefit exists, I'm angry that the people who have it complain constantly about their "terrible benefits".

+1

I'm thrilled if people have the option for that increased balance and then choose it. Great! Please, though, don't choose a specific job in part for its benefits and then turn around and complain about them.

If by benefits you mean not paid for several months then yeah. Balancing a new job for a paycheck is increased balance.

“not paid for several months”? You are paid for the work you do. When you are teaching, you are paid. When you are not teaching, you are not paid. You can opt to have your paycheck given to you over 10 months or 12 months, so I am not sure why you say you are “not paid” over the summer. I literally do not know anyone who expects to be paid for time they are not working unless you are a college professor on sabbatical, and even then you are expected to generate research and scholarship.

I have friends and relatives in Europe who get paid for a month of not working.

MCPS can easily do that as well. Your (current salary ÷ 10 * 12) gets you there.

Actually, your (monthly salary * 10 ÷ 12). I mistakenly gave you a big raise.

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Anonymous wrote:The only solution here that I see if for MCPS to increase the teacher's and aides summer sign on bonus so that our kids have a safe place to be for the summer and have social interaction. School is a kind of community village where mostly everyone takes parts either in taxes or uses the free public school services. Many families cannot go back to work until school has been figured out.

If the union is asking MCPS to give teachers more money I don't see why that cannot happen. ughhh!!!!

#pAYupMCPS

I thought they were broke as is.

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Summer school underpays compared to the work that I can do during the summer (and have done in summers past) like tutoring or teaching at specialty camps. I know teachers who have worked as waitstaff at resorts and had a lower hourly wage, but earned insane tips.

There’s also the mental health component. Many teachers need to get out of the classroom and do something else for two months in order to refresh and relax. Whether that is just vacation or some non-teaching work depends on the individual. I’m not working this summer because of a health issue, but if I was, I’d want to work anywhere but in a classroom, even if it paid much less than summer school. I taught last summer and started the school year feeling frazzled. Teaching isn’t my first career so I know the rhythms of other work not just the academic year.

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Anonymous wrote:The only solution here that I see if for MCPS to increase the teacher's and aides summer sign on bonus so that our kids have a safe place to be for the summer and have social interaction. School is a kind of community village where mostly everyone takes parts either in taxes or uses the free public school services. Many families cannot go back to work until school has been figured out.

If the union is asking MCPS to give teachers more money I don't see why that cannot happen. ughhh!!!!

#pAYupMCPS

I thought they were broke as is.

I am so sick of MCPS. They can find money for fru fru stuff but not enough money so that we can have schools open and teachers/staff that want to come back?!!!!

If they cannot get staff they need to increase the summer money or whatever the staff is demanding. As other people have mentioned there is a teacher shortage, NOW.IS.NOT.THE.TIME. for the county to be in a fight with teachers when the rest of us need schools to be open for summer and fall.

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Anonymous wrote:Even as some parents are worried that there won’t be enough teachers for summer school, they can’t stop attacking the people they need to volunteer.

Suddenly explaining that MCPS benefits are not that bad is "attacking"? SMH.

Also, they're being PAID. It's not volunteer work.

But they have to volunteer to take the work. No one can be forced to do it. If not enough teachers volunteer, you won’t have summer school. It’s telling that the extra pay isn’t enticing.

Sounds like the salary they get for working 10 months is enough.

I’m working outside at a garden center this summer for a lot less than summer school. I’d rather scrimp during the school year than work summer school.

And that is a perfectly valid choice. It is also a legitimate benefit to have the choice of taking a break from your regular job for two months, that most salaried professionals do not get (and certainly not every year).

I think it just speaks so highly of the crab in a barrel mentality of the American workplace that we're just so angry at people for having a better work life balance is ith more built in time off. A lot of countries structure their work differently so that people can take extended time off and recharge and relax. I don't have a lot of high hopes but I hope that maybe the pandemic can demonstrate that people can work flexible hours and still be productive and get their job done without having to be locked into working in the office for 8 to 12 hours

I'm not angry that the benefit exists, I'm angry that the people who have it complain constantly about their "terrible benefits".

+1

I'm thrilled if people have the option for that increased balance and then choose it. Great! Please, though, don't choose a specific job in part for its benefits and then turn around and complain about them.

If by benefits you mean not paid for several months then yeah. Balancing a new job for a paycheck is increased balance.

“not paid for several months”? You are paid for the work you do. When you are teaching, you are paid. When you are not teaching, you are not paid. You can opt to have your paycheck given to you over 10 months or 12 months, so I am not sure why you say you are “not paid” over the summer. I literally do not know anyone who expects to be paid for time they are not working unless you are a college professor on sabbatical, and even then you are expected to generate research and scholarship.

MCPS employés, except a select group are 10 month employees. They do not get paid for those two months. They can get their paycheck paid over 12 months but they are still not getting paid those two months. If they work summer school they are paid. No one is asking to be paid for their time off but it is their time off/not paid so demanding they work summer school is absurd. Summer school is an entirely different job. If they only get 600-800 after taxes a week and they have two elementary school kids, camp will be $400-600 a week per child so what is the point of working? They'd lose money paying for camps.

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Anonymous wrote:The only solution here that I see if for MCPS to increase the teacher's and aides summer sign on bonus so that our kids have a safe place to be for the summer and have social interaction. School is a kind of community village where mostly everyone takes parts either in taxes or uses the free public school services. Many families cannot go back to work until school has been figured out.

If the union is asking MCPS to give teachers more money I don't see why that cannot happen. ughhh!!!!

#pAYupMCPS

I thought they were broke as is.

I am so sick of MCPS. They can find money for fru fru stuff but not enough money so that we can have schools open and teachers/staff that want to come back?!!!!

If they cannot get staff they need to increase the summer money or whatever the staff is demanding. As other people have mentioned there is a teacher shortage, NOW.IS.NOT.THE.TIME. for the county to be in a fight with teachers when the rest of us need schools to be open for summer and fall.

Money was not why we didn't return. COVID was. We don't NEED schools open in person, you want them open. We need to have our kids get an education. There is nothing in the rules that says it has to be in person. Teachers did what they were told. They were told to DL. They didn't have the choice so stop blaming them.