NPS: Ban Cars Now in DC Urban Parks

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I don't really care about people's obsessive hatred of people when they're riding bikes, except when the obsessive haters are driving and in a position to kill people who are riding bikes.

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Anonymous wrote:Closing off Beach Drive is only viable because most people are still working from home due to the pandemic. As offices reopen in the fall and schools are back full-time, keeping Beach Drive closed will just force more commuter traffic into neighborhoods. Waze worked beautifully when Beach Drive was under construction. Prioritizing the leisure class who can strap on their lycra during normal business hours over people who actually have to work for a living isn't an argument for equity or better living standards for most Washingtonians - it's creating a personal park for those who can afford to live within walking distance of a major thoroughfare.

meh, Beach Drive was closed for three years to be rebuilt and it really didn't impact anything anywhere else.

Leave Blagdon and Broadbranch open and the upper part of Beach closed.

This is absolutely false. The Hawthorne neighborhood became a constant cut through and Western Ave was backed up for a mile or more. I live on Western and trying to get out of my driveway was a nightmare every day.

Agree that it is false. I drive that way 4x per day and the closures really mess up traffic patterns.

You driving ARE the traffic.

Cyclists: Share the road!

Also Cyclists: I am not traffic!

Ya'll are losers.

The closures didn't mess up bike traffic, so I assume you were talking about car traffic. If you are driving through that neighborhood 4 times a day, then you are the car traffic that you are complaining about, because bikes didn't have that problem.

Who's the loser?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really warming up to the idea of putting in a bunch of speed bumps on Ohio Drive in East Potomac Park. It will slow down cars AND ruin one of the most popular cycle routes in the area.

Why do you think cyclists would be opposed to this? I am not.

I think it might piss off the bicyclists looking for a velodrome for speed training, but I really don't care about them. I'm a casual/commuter bicyclist and I think speed bumps / raised crosswalks are great.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you need to read the Americans With Disabilities Act. Your idea effectively limits access to millions of people who also have a right to enjoy the parks.

Sounds like you need to read the ADA - it doesn't guarantee car access to everywhere someone with a disability might want to go.

yes. and - Hains Point is now largely inaccessible due to cars! One of the people killed was using a cane because he had mobility issues post surgery. there is no way for a mobility impaired person to enjoy much of Hains Point now due to disrepair and cars.

Absolute hyperbole.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you need to read the Americans With Disabilities Act. Your idea effectively limits access to millions of people who also have a right to enjoy the parks.

Sounds like you need to read the ADA - it doesn't guarantee car access to everywhere someone with a disability might want to go.

Non sequitur. Obviously there is a very important middle ground.

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I think the bigger problem is your reasoning skills.

For one thing, there are way more than 359,000 cars in DC. It's very expensive to register your car with the city so lots of people don't bother (including me).

Also, um, most of those cars are used by more than one person. Let's say there's a family of five -- mom, dad, three kids under the age of, say, 12. Under your reasoning, I guess only one of the adults counts as owning the car and the rest (including children under the age of 12?) are counted as *not* owning cars. As you can see, that's crazy.

Obviously, cars are huge in DC and bicycles are not. Maybe someday more than a tiny number of people will regularly ride bikes in DC, but that day is not today.

36% of households in DC do not own a car.

I'll agree that cars are huge in DC, especially Suburbans, Range Rovers, etc. Those vehicles might be a suitable size if you live in Montana, but they're very unsuitable for DC. They're also especially deadly for pedestrians, bicyclists, scooter-users, moped riders, motorcyclists, and people in smaller cars.

You can look at the data here by census tract or zip code: https://www.dchealthmatters.org/indicators/index/view?indicatorId=281&localeId=130951

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I think the bigger problem is your reasoning skills.

For one thing, there are way more than 359,000 cars in DC. It's very expensive to register your car with the city so lots of people don't bother (including me).

Also, um, most of those cars are used by more than one person. Let's say there's a family of five -- mom, dad, three kids under the age of, say, 12. Under your reasoning, I guess only one of the adults counts as owning the car and the rest (including children under the age of 12?) are counted as *not* owning cars. As you can see, that's crazy.

Obviously, cars are huge in DC and bicycles are not. Maybe someday more than a tiny number of people will regularly ride bikes in DC, but that day is not today.

36% of households in DC do not own a car.

I'll agree that cars are huge in DC, especially Suburbans, Range Rovers, etc. Those vehicles might be a suitable size if you live in Montana, but they're very unsuitable for DC. They're also especially deadly for pedestrians, bicyclists, scooter-users, moped riders, motorcyclists, and people in smaller cars.

You can look at the data here by census tract or zip code: https://www.dchealthmatters.org/indicators/index/view?indicatorId=281&localeId=130951

Which means 64 percent or about two-thirds own a car. But that number is probably too low. Here's the math:

There are 284,000 households in DC. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that 36 percent actually don't have cars. That leaves 182,000 households with cars.

Yet the city says there are 359,000 cars registered. Let's say 20 percent of cars in DC are not registered. That gives us a total of 431,000 cars in DC.

If only 182,000 households had cars, that would mean each household ON AVERAGE would own 2.3 cars. That's obviously wrong, and that 64 percent of households owning a car is too low.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really warming up to the idea of putting in a bunch of speed bumps on Ohio Drive in East Potomac Park. It will slow down cars AND ruin one of the most popular cycle routes in the area.

Why do you think cyclists would be opposed to this? I am not.

I think it might piss off the bicyclists looking for a velodrome for speed training, but I really don't care about them. I'm a casual/commuter bicyclist and I think speed bumps / raised crosswalks are great.

Even better! Let’s do it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm really warming up to the idea of putting in a bunch of speed bumps on Ohio Drive in East Potomac Park. It will slow down cars AND ruin one of the most popular cycle routes in the area.

Why do you think cyclists would be opposed to this? I am not.

I think it might piss off the bicyclists looking for a velodrome for speed training, but I really don't care about them. I'm a casual/commuter bicyclist and I think speed bumps / raised crosswalks are great.

Even better! Let’s do it.

Ok, how?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you need to read the Americans With Disabilities Act. Your idea effectively limits access to millions of people who also have a right to enjoy the parks.

Sounds like you need to read the ADA - it doesn't guarantee car access to everywhere someone with a disability might want to go.

yes. and - Hains Point is now largely inaccessible due to cars! One of the people killed was using a cane because he had mobility issues post surgery. there is no way for a mobility impaired person to enjoy much of Hains Point now due to disrepair and cars.

Absolute hyperbole.

It's not hyperbole, at all. To walk or bike in Hains Point right now you have no other option than the road in many places because the sidewalk is closed or flooded. And the road is not designed with any traffic calming at all, which means that bikes are not well protected either.

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I think the bigger problem is your reasoning skills.

For one thing, there are way more than 359,000 cars in DC. It's very expensive to register your car with the city so lots of people don't bother (including me).

Also, um, most of those cars are used by more than one person. Let's say there's a family of five -- mom, dad, three kids under the age of, say, 12. Under your reasoning, I guess only one of the adults counts as owning the car and the rest (including children under the age of 12?) are counted as *not* owning cars. As you can see, that's crazy.

Obviously, cars are huge in DC and bicycles are not. Maybe someday more than a tiny number of people will regularly ride bikes in DC, but that day is not today.

36% of households in DC do not own a car.

I'll agree that cars are huge in DC, especially Suburbans, Range Rovers, etc. Those vehicles might be a suitable size if you live in Montana, but they're very unsuitable for DC. They're also especially deadly for pedestrians, bicyclists, scooter-users, moped riders, motorcyclists, and people in smaller cars.

You can look at the data here by census tract or zip code: https://www.dchealthmatters.org/indicators/index/view?indicatorId=281&localeId=130951

Which means 64 percent or about two-thirds own a car. But that number is probably too low. Here's the math:

There are 284,000 households in DC. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that 36 percent actually don't have cars. That leaves 182,000 households with cars.

Yet the city says there are 359,000 cars registered. Let's say 20 percent of cars in DC are not registered. That gives us a total of 431,000 cars in DC.

If only 182,000 households had cars, that would mean each household ON AVERAGE would own 2.3 cars. That's obviously wrong, and that 64 percent of households owning a car is too low.

So, on the one hand, Census data, and on the other hand, you making assumptions and doing arithmetic. I think I'll go with the Census data.

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Anonymous wrote:

I think the bigger problem is your reasoning skills.

For one thing, there are way more than 359,000 cars in DC. It's very expensive to register your car with the city so lots of people don't bother (including me).

Also, um, most of those cars are used by more than one person. Let's say there's a family of five -- mom, dad, three kids under the age of, say, 12. Under your reasoning, I guess only one of the adults counts as owning the car and the rest (including children under the age of 12?) are counted as *not* owning cars. As you can see, that's crazy.

Obviously, cars are huge in DC and bicycles are not. Maybe someday more than a tiny number of people will regularly ride bikes in DC, but that day is not today.

36% of households in DC do not own a car.

I'll agree that cars are huge in DC, especially Suburbans, Range Rovers, etc. Those vehicles might be a suitable size if you live in Montana, but they're very unsuitable for DC. They're also especially deadly for pedestrians, bicyclists, scooter-users, moped riders, motorcyclists, and people in smaller cars.

You can look at the data here by census tract or zip code: https://www.dchealthmatters.org/indicators/index/view?indicatorId=281&localeId=130951

Which means 64 percent or about two-thirds own a car. But that number is probably too low. Here's the math:

There are 284,000 households in DC. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that 36 percent actually don't have cars. That leaves 182,000 households with cars.

Yet the city says there are 359,000 cars registered. Let's say 20 percent of cars in DC are not registered. That gives us a total of 431,000 cars in DC.

If only 182,000 households had cars, that would mean each household ON AVERAGE would own 2.3 cars. That's obviously wrong, and that 64 percent of households owning a car is too low.

So, on the one hand, Census data, and on the other hand, you making assumptions and doing arithmetic. I think I'll go with the Census data.

The numbers are the numbers. We'll put you down as anti-math.

[Anonymous]

90% of the people say that 65% of the numbers cited in any discussion can be used 100% to justify a position.

Prove me wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I think the bigger problem is your reasoning skills.

For one thing, there are way more than 359,000 cars in DC. It's very expensive to register your car with the city so lots of people don't bother (including me).

Also, um, most of those cars are used by more than one person. Let's say there's a family of five -- mom, dad, three kids under the age of, say, 12. Under your reasoning, I guess only one of the adults counts as owning the car and the rest (including children under the age of 12?) are counted as *not* owning cars. As you can see, that's crazy.

Obviously, cars are huge in DC and bicycles are not. Maybe someday more than a tiny number of people will regularly ride bikes in DC, but that day is not today.

36% of households in DC do not own a car.

I'll agree that cars are huge in DC, especially Suburbans, Range Rovers, etc. Those vehicles might be a suitable size if you live in Montana, but they're very unsuitable for DC. They're also especially deadly for pedestrians, bicyclists, scooter-users, moped riders, motorcyclists, and people in smaller cars.

You can look at the data here by census tract or zip code: https://www.dchealthmatters.org/indicators/index/view?indicatorId=281&localeId=130951

Which means 64 percent or about two-thirds own a car. But that number is probably too low. Here's the math:

There are 284,000 households in DC. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that 36 percent actually don't have cars. That leaves 182,000 households with cars.

Yet the city says there are 359,000 cars registered. Let's say 20 percent of cars in DC are not registered. That gives us a total of 431,000 cars in DC.

If only 182,000 households had cars, that would mean each household ON AVERAGE would own 2.3 cars. That's obviously wrong, and that 64 percent of households owning a car is too low.

So, on the one hand, Census data, and on the other hand, you making assumptions and doing arithmetic. I think I'll go with the Census data.

In the one hand you have a “household” representing 1 hill intern in a studio apartment. On the other hand you have a multigenerational household living in Ward 7. You seriously comprehension and context. You are also someone who seems so invested in their worldview that you are willing to lie to strangers on a anonymous message board. Pretty sad life.

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In the one hand you have a “household” representing 1 hill intern in a studio apartment. On the other hand you have a multigenerational household living in Ward 7. You seriously comprehension and context. You are also someone who seems so invested in their worldview that you are willing to lie to strangers on a anonymous message board. Pretty sad life.

You're arguing with data from the US Census Bureau. Take it up with them if you don't like it.