NPS: Ban Cars Now in DC Urban Parks

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really warming up to the idea of putting in a bunch of speed bumps on Ohio Drive in East Potomac Park. It will slow down cars AND ruin one of the most popular cycle routes in the area.

+1

This is the centrist position and I wholly agree with it.

YES.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm really warming up to the idea of putting in a bunch of speed bumps on Ohio Drive in East Potomac Park. It will slow down cars AND ruin one of the most popular cycle routes in the area.

+1

This is the centrist position and I wholly agree with it.

YES.

Don't forget raised crosswalks. Not only do they slow people down, it sends the message that it's a pedestrian space that drivers and bicyclists are crossing. It's much better than typical crosswalk that tell pedestrians that they are in a car/bike space.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All this anti-car stuff seems so silly. The vast majority of people in DC drive. Almost no one in DC rides bikes. How about: Majority rules?

Do you have a citation for this? Because there are 690,000 people. Take out the elderly and under 16 and you have about 375,000 people. Of those, most are not car owners, but may have a license. So unless you have a cite for it, I am not even sure "the majority" drive much less the "vast majority"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Closing off Beach Drive is only viable because most people are still working from home due to the pandemic. As offices reopen in the fall and schools are back full-time, keeping Beach Drive closed will just force more commuter traffic into neighborhoods. Waze worked beautifully when Beach Drive was under construction. Prioritizing the leisure class who can strap on their lycra during normal business hours over people who actually have to work for a living isn't an argument for equity or better living standards for most Washingtonians - it's creating a personal park for those who can afford to live within walking distance of a major thoroughfare.

meh, Beach Drive was closed for three years to be rebuilt and it really didn't impact anything anywhere else.

Leave Blagdon and Broadbranch open and the upper part of Beach closed.

This is absolutely false. The Hawthorne neighborhood became a constant cut through and Western Ave was backed up for a mile or more. I live on Western and trying to get out of my driveway was a nightmare every day.

If it is a city street, then it isn't a "cut through" - the street is there for a reason....for people to drive and ride bikes on it. If you want to complain about people driving through your front yard, then THAT would be a cut through. But people driving on streets that are already there...not a cut through.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm really warming up to the idea of putting in a bunch of speed bumps on Ohio Drive in East Potomac Park. It will slow down cars AND ruin one of the most popular cycle routes in the area.

Why do you think cyclists would be opposed to this? I am not.

[Anonymous]

OP, you need to read the Americans With Disabilities Act. Your idea effectively limits access to millions of people who also have a right to enjoy the parks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Closing off Beach Drive is only viable because most people are still working from home due to the pandemic. As offices reopen in the fall and schools are back full-time, keeping Beach Drive closed will just force more commuter traffic into neighborhoods. Waze worked beautifully when Beach Drive was under construction. Prioritizing the leisure class who can strap on their lycra during normal business hours over people who actually have to work for a living isn't an argument for equity or better living standards for most Washingtonians - it's creating a personal park for those who can afford to live within walking distance of a major thoroughfare.

meh, Beach Drive was closed for three years to be rebuilt and it really didn't impact anything anywhere else.

Leave Blagdon and Broadbranch open and the upper part of Beach closed.

This is absolutely false. The Hawthorne neighborhood became a constant cut through and Western Ave was backed up for a mile or more. I live on Western and trying to get out of my driveway was a nightmare every day.

Agree that it is false. I drive that way 4x per day and the closures really mess up traffic patterns.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, you need to read the Americans With Disabilities Act. Your idea effectively limits access to millions of people who also have a right to enjoy the parks.

Sounds like you need to read the ADA - it doesn't guarantee car access to everywhere someone with a disability might want to go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, you need to read the Americans With Disabilities Act. Your idea effectively limits access to millions of people who also have a right to enjoy the parks.

Sounds like you need to read the ADA - it doesn't guarantee car access to everywhere someone with a disability might want to go.

yes. and - Hains Point is now largely inaccessible due to cars! One of the people killed was using a cane because he had mobility issues post surgery. there is no way for a mobility impaired person to enjoy much of Hains Point now due to disrepair and cars.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm really warming up to the idea of putting in a bunch of speed bumps on Ohio Drive in East Potomac Park. It will slow down cars AND ruin one of the most popular cycle routes in the area.

Why do you think cyclists would be opposed to this? I am not.

Yes, when I'm biking, speed humps don't bother me at all, but speeding cars bother me a lot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Closing off Beach Drive is only viable because most people are still working from home due to the pandemic. As offices reopen in the fall and schools are back full-time, keeping Beach Drive closed will just force more commuter traffic into neighborhoods. Waze worked beautifully when Beach Drive was under construction. Prioritizing the leisure class who can strap on their lycra during normal business hours over people who actually have to work for a living isn't an argument for equity or better living standards for most Washingtonians - it's creating a personal park for those who can afford to live within walking distance of a major thoroughfare.

meh, Beach Drive was closed for three years to be rebuilt and it really didn't impact anything anywhere else.

Leave Blagdon and Broadbranch open and the upper part of Beach closed.

This is absolutely false. The Hawthorne neighborhood became a constant cut through and Western Ave was backed up for a mile or more. I live on Western and trying to get out of my driveway was a nightmare every day.

Agree that it is false. I drive that way 4x per day and the closures really mess up traffic patterns.

You driving ARE the traffic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm really warming up to the idea of putting in a bunch of speed bumps on Ohio Drive in East Potomac Park. It will slow down cars AND ruin one of the most popular cycle routes in the area.

+1

This is the centrist position and I wholly agree with it.

YES.

Don't forget raised crosswalks. Not only do they slow people down, it sends the message that it's a pedestrian space that drivers and bicyclists are crossing. It's much better than typical crosswalk that tell pedestrians that they are in a car/bike space.

Raised crosswalks are also good for people with mobility impairments, as well as other people who are using wheeled things, like strollers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Closing off Beach Drive is only viable because most people are still working from home due to the pandemic. As offices reopen in the fall and schools are back full-time, keeping Beach Drive closed will just force more commuter traffic into neighborhoods. Waze worked beautifully when Beach Drive was under construction. Prioritizing the leisure class who can strap on their lycra during normal business hours over people who actually have to work for a living isn't an argument for equity or better living standards for most Washingtonians - it's creating a personal park for those who can afford to live within walking distance of a major thoroughfare.

meh, Beach Drive was closed for three years to be rebuilt and it really didn't impact anything anywhere else.

Leave Blagdon and Broadbranch open and the upper part of Beach closed.

This is absolutely false. The Hawthorne neighborhood became a constant cut through and Western Ave was backed up for a mile or more. I live on Western and trying to get out of my driveway was a nightmare every day.

Agree that it is false. I drive that way 4x per day and the closures really mess up traffic patterns.

You driving ARE the traffic.

Cyclists: Share the road!

Also Cyclists: I am not traffic!

Ya'll are losers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All this anti-car stuff seems so silly. The vast majority of people in DC drive. Almost no one in DC rides bikes. How about: Majority rules?

Do you have a citation for this? Because there are 690,000 people. Take out the elderly and under 16 and you have about 375,000 people. Of those, most are not car owners, but may have a license. So unless you have a cite for it, I am not even sure "the majority" drive much less the "vast majority"

There are 359,000 active vehicle registrations in DC as of 2019.
https://dmv.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dmv/page_content/attachments/Historical%20Registration%20Data%20FY2010-FY2019.pdf

The constant aggressively ignorant certainty and yet be just fully and 100% assed backward wrong about everything should really concern you.

I'm truly embarrassed for you and all of your fellow cyclists and train guys.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Closing off Beach Drive is only viable because most people are still working from home due to the pandemic. As offices reopen in the fall and schools are back full-time, keeping Beach Drive closed will just force more commuter traffic into neighborhoods. Waze worked beautifully when Beach Drive was under construction. Prioritizing the leisure class who can strap on their lycra during normal business hours over people who actually have to work for a living isn't an argument for equity or better living standards for most Washingtonians - it's creating a personal park for those who can afford to live within walking distance of a major thoroughfare.

meh, Beach Drive was closed for three years to be rebuilt and it really didn't impact anything anywhere else.

Leave Blagdon and Broadbranch open and the upper part of Beach closed.

This is absolutely false. The Hawthorne neighborhood became a constant cut through and Western Ave was backed up for a mile or more. I live on Western and trying to get out of my driveway was a nightmare every day.

Agree that it is false. I drive that way 4x per day and the closures really mess up traffic patterns.

You driving ARE the traffic.

Cyclists: Share the road!

Also Cyclists: I am not traffic!

Ya'll are losers.

Cyclists: We need to protect pedestrians. Let's prevent them from accessing the park.