NPS: Ban Cars Now in DC Urban Parks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cars will be replaced by motorized bikes, scooters. skateboards and one wheels — in addition to cyclists the bane of cars and pedestrians. It was shocking to see how many small motorized vehicles exist on the paths these days. Motorized wagons and strollers will be next!

Seems to me that the bane of pedestrians is drivers. It wasn't a bicyclist who killed pedestrians Rhonda Whitaker and Waldon Adams. As for cars, in that crash at Mass Ave and 2nd St NW a few weeks ago, it wasn't bicyclist Jim Pagels who killed the Honda driver.

I’m not saying DON’T minimize cars in the parks. My point is that other motorized vehicles are replacing them, and also becoming problematic. And I stand by the cyclists (aka the spandex brigades) are right behind cars.

[Anonymous]

Sidewalks. People belong on sidewalks. Cars belong in the road.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I agree wholeheartedly.

JS, absolutely. That would be absolutely fantastic. I'm impressed with those councilmembers for that initiative.

I also wish there was a better network of bike-safe ways to get *to* beach drive for leisure. I live less than 3 miles away, and getting my kids into Rock Creek Park on their bikes is not a relaxing activity.
Same for Hane's point and the Arboretum, but we're far enough away that the lack of bike accessibility is less egregious.

The best way I've found for accessing Beach Drive is to park in Crestwood and use Blagden Avenue. There's a sidewalk there you can bike on. It's too narrow and a little unpleasant, but it works.

Thanks! The narrow Blagden sidewalk beats Piney Branch mud, or crossing through Adams Morgan.
Now, I guess I just have to research exactly which cross street a car killed that toddler on Georgia ave this month. I read they hurried to make safety improvements, so that's where we'll cross.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sidewalks. People belong on sidewalks. Cars belong in the road.

Roads. Roads belong between cities, not in them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sidewalks. People belong on sidewalks. Cars belong in the road.

roads don’t belong in parks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sidewalks. People belong on sidewalks. Cars belong in the road.

We don't have self-driving cars yet. There are people in those cars. Probably you meant to say: pedestrians belong on sidewalks, motorists belong in the road?

Anyway, what makes it a road, according to you? Cars. So, remove the cars, then it's not a road anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, I agree wholeheartedly.

JS, absolutely. That would be absolutely fantastic. I'm impressed with those councilmembers for that initiative.

I also wish there was a better network of bike-safe ways to get *to* beach drive for leisure. I live less than 3 miles away, and getting my kids into Rock Creek Park on their bikes is not a relaxing activity.
Same for Hane's point and the Arboretum, but we're far enough away that the lack of bike accessibility is less egregious.

The best way I've found for accessing Beach Drive is to park in Crestwood and use Blagden Avenue. There's a sidewalk there you can bike on. It's too narrow and a little unpleasant, but it works.

Thanks! The narrow Blagden sidewalk beats Piney Branch mud, or crossing through Adams Morgan.
Now, I guess I just have to research exactly which cross street a car killed that toddler on Georgia ave this month. I read they hurried to make safety improvements, so that's where we'll cross.

I’d probably have everyone get off their bikes and walk across Georgia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Thanks! The narrow Blagden sidewalk beats Piney Branch mud, or crossing through Adams Morgan.
Now, I guess I just have to research exactly which cross street a car killed that toddler on Georgia ave this month. I read they hurried to make safety improvements, so that's where we'll cross.

At Kennedy St NW, he was 4, and they didn't do much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, I agree wholeheartedly.

JS, absolutely. That would be absolutely fantastic. I'm impressed with those councilmembers for that initiative.

I also wish there was a better network of bike-safe ways to get *to* beach drive for leisure. I live less than 3 miles away, and getting my kids into Rock Creek Park on their bikes is not a relaxing activity.
Same for Hane's point and the Arboretum, but we're far enough away that the lack of bike accessibility is less egregious.

The best way I've found for accessing Beach Drive is to park in Crestwood and use Blagden Avenue. There's a sidewalk there you can bike on. It's too narrow and a little unpleasant, but it works.

Thanks! The narrow Blagden sidewalk beats Piney Branch mud, or crossing through Adams Morgan.
Now, I guess I just have to research exactly which cross street a car killed that toddler on Georgia ave this month. I read they hurried to make safety improvements, so that's where we'll cross.

I’d probably have everyone get off their bikes and walk across Georgia.

Because it's safer to be a pedestrian?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sidewalks. People belong on sidewalks. Cars belong in the road.

We don't have self-driving cars yet. There are people in those cars. Probably you meant to say: pedestrians belong on sidewalks, motorists belong in the road?

Anyway, what makes it a road, according to you? Cars. So, remove the cars, then it's not a road anymore.

Horses and wheeled carts traversed the roads between Roman cities. Let's return to that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sidewalks. People belong on sidewalks. Cars belong in the road.

We don't have self-driving cars yet. There are people in those cars. Probably you meant to say: pedestrians belong on sidewalks, motorists belong in the road?

Anyway, what makes it a road, according to you? Cars. So, remove the cars, then it's not a road anymore.

Horses and wheeled carts traversed the roads between Roman cities. Let's return to that.

In this case, however, we're talking about a park in a city.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, I agree wholeheartedly.

JS, absolutely. That would be absolutely fantastic. I'm impressed with those councilmembers for that initiative.

I also wish there was a better network of bike-safe ways to get *to* beach drive for leisure. I live less than 3 miles away, and getting my kids into Rock Creek Park on their bikes is not a relaxing activity.
Same for Hane's point and the Arboretum, but we're far enough away that the lack of bike accessibility is less egregious.

The best way I've found for accessing Beach Drive is to park in Crestwood and use Blagden Avenue. There's a sidewalk there you can bike on. It's too narrow and a little unpleasant, but it works.

Thanks! The narrow Blagden sidewalk beats Piney Branch mud, or crossing through Adams Morgan.
Now, I guess I just have to research exactly which cross street a car killed that toddler on Georgia ave this month. I read they hurried to make safety improvements, so that's where we'll cross.

I’d probably have everyone get off their bikes and walk across Georgia.

Because it's safer to be a pedestrian?!

it’s safer to dismount and walk across a busy intersection with kids on bikes, absolutely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

it’s safer to dismount and walk across a busy intersection with kids on bikes, absolutely.

Oh, with kids on bikes. Yes, I agree. It shouldn't have to be like that, but it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’d like to see all the “no cars” people walk a mile and half with 200lbs of fishing gear, chairs, coolers, food, ice and beverages.

Cool scenario, bro.

What about reality where you're cruising around in 2 tons of metal with nothing but a paperback novel and some weed? I'm not criticizing your choices, just we don't need roads to accommodate people driving cars for that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’d like to see all the “no cars” people walk a mile and half with 200lbs of fishing gear, chairs, coolers, food, ice and beverages.

Cool scenario, bro.

What about reality where you're cruising around in 2 tons of metal with nothing but a paperback novel and some weed? I'm not criticizing your choices, just we don't need roads to accommodate people driving cars for that.

Then I’d be totally fine with limiting car access to Haines Point to just vehicles with fishing gear or picnic set-ups.

Deal?