NPS: Ban Cars Now in DC Urban Parks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Incidents where bicycles kill pedestrians are so very, very rare that it's probably impossible to find statistics.

However, one telling statistic is that only 17% of fatal bike injuries are single-bike accidents; whereas 55% of fatal car accidents are single-car accidents.

https://wtop.com/dc-transit/2017/07/study-dangerous-kind-crash-isnt-feared/
https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/21/e1/e138

It’s weird how you are so dismissive of the harm reckless bikers cause. Actually it isn’t. But it’s funny how you demand proof of other claims but are just willing to say whatever to diminish your behavior.
https://abc7ny.com/bike-lanes-safety-cyclists-bikers/5473859/

In 2019, 121 pedestrians and 28 bicyclists were killed on the roads in NYC. 2 of the 121 pedestrians and 0 of the 28 bicyclists were killed by bicyclists. 119 of the 121 pedestrians and 28 of the 28 bicyclists were killed by drivers. It's weird that you're so dismissive of the harm reckless drivers cause.

https://abc7ny.com/traffic-fatalities-deaths-new-york-city/5802477/

You are just now dismissing deaths of pedestrians by bikers. Do you realize that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Incidents where bicycles kill pedestrians are so very, very rare that it's probably impossible to find statistics.

However, one telling statistic is that only 17% of fatal bike injuries are single-bike accidents; whereas 55% of fatal car accidents are single-car accidents.

https://wtop.com/dc-transit/2017/07/study-dangerous-kind-crash-isnt-feared/
https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/21/e1/e138

It’s weird how you are so dismissive of the harm reckless bikers cause. Actually it isn’t. But it’s funny how you demand proof of other claims but are just willing to say whatever to diminish your behavior.
https://abc7ny.com/bike-lanes-safety-cyclists-bikers/5473859/

Your concern about reckless cyclists is disingenuous because reckless drivers kill and maim several orders of magnitude more frequently.

So you are not concerned about pedestrians killed by bikers. Got it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Incidents where bicycles kill pedestrians are so very, very rare that it's probably impossible to find statistics.

However, one telling statistic is that only 17% of fatal bike injuries are single-bike accidents; whereas 55% of fatal car accidents are single-car accidents.

https://wtop.com/dc-transit/2017/07/study-dangerous-kind-crash-isnt-feared/
https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/21/e1/e138

It’s weird how you are so dismissive of the harm reckless bikers cause. Actually it isn’t. But it’s funny how you demand proof of other claims but are just willing to say whatever to diminish your behavior.
https://abc7ny.com/bike-lanes-safety-cyclists-bikers/5473859/

In 2019, 121 pedestrians and 28 bicyclists were killed on the roads in NYC. 2 of the 121 pedestrians and 0 of the 28 bicyclists were killed by bicyclists. 119 of the 121 pedestrians and 28 of the 28 bicyclists were killed by drivers. It's weird that you're so dismissive of the harm reckless drivers cause.

https://abc7ny.com/traffic-fatalities-deaths-new-york-city/5802477/

You are just now dismissing deaths of pedestrians by bikers. Do you realize that?

I just did the opposite of dismissing them.

[Anonymous]

Should I be amazed at how hard it is to get bikers to admit that killing people is bad, no matter who does it? Naw, just more confirmation that bikers are narcissistic sociopaths.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Facts are facts. There's been 1 pedestrian fatality from a bicycle at 15mph and 0 from cars at 15 mph in DC within the last five years.

Cars are not deadly at 15 mph. They are deadly at higher speeds, which is not at issue, though.

I seriously doubt that you have the necessary data to support that assertion.

For example, how fast was the driver going who killed Zy'aire Joshua?

And how fast was the truck going that killed the advocates in Hains Point, for that matter? Anyway I'm glad PP concedes we need speed bumps.

I have no problem with speed limits and speed bumps for both bicyclists and drivers. You all are the ones that don't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Incidents where bicycles kill pedestrians are so very, very rare that it's probably impossible to find statistics.

However, one telling statistic is that only 17% of fatal bike injuries are single-bike accidents; whereas 55% of fatal car accidents are single-car accidents.

https://wtop.com/dc-transit/2017/07/study-dangerous-kind-crash-isnt-feared/
https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/21/e1/e138

It’s weird how you are so dismissive of the harm reckless bikers cause. Actually it isn’t. But it’s funny how you demand proof of other claims but are just willing to say whatever to diminish your behavior.
https://abc7ny.com/bike-lanes-safety-cyclists-bikers/5473859/

Your concern about reckless cyclists is disingenuous because reckless drivers kill and maim several orders of magnitude more frequently.

Not at 15 mph. Please remember that this whole sub-discussion is about whether a 15 mph speed limit should also apply to bicyclists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Should I be amazed at how hard it is to get bikers to admit that killing people is bad, no matter who does it? Naw, just more confirmation that bikers are narcissistic sociopaths.

I know you think you’re engaged in some kind of clever debate, but you’re not.

But I’ll say: obviously I don’t think pedestrians should be hit by bikes, or cars. The current state of Hains Point is unsafe for pedestrians, period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Incidents where bicycles kill pedestrians are so very, very rare that it's probably impossible to find statistics.

However, one telling statistic is that only 17% of fatal bike injuries are single-bike accidents; whereas 55% of fatal car accidents are single-car accidents.

https://wtop.com/dc-transit/2017/07/study-dangerous-kind-crash-isnt-feared/
https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/21/e1/e138

It’s weird how you are so dismissive of the harm reckless bikers cause. Actually it isn’t. But it’s funny how you demand proof of other claims but are just willing to say whatever to diminish your behavior.
https://abc7ny.com/bike-lanes-safety-cyclists-bikers/5473859/

Your concern about reckless cyclists is disingenuous because reckless drivers kill and maim several orders of magnitude more frequently.

Not at 15 mph. Please remember that this whole sub-discussion is about whether a 15 mph speed limit should also apply to bicyclists.

Do you think a bike lane should be installed to protect bikers from cars? How about limiting cars to one lane of one side? I’m ok with speed limits for all vehicles but you are creating a massive strawman and worrying it like a deranged pitbull. Let’s get back to the topic, which is creating dedicated space for bikes and pedestrians, and limiting and slowing down cars.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Incidents where bicycles kill pedestrians are so very, very rare that it's probably impossible to find statistics.

However, one telling statistic is that only 17% of fatal bike injuries are single-bike accidents; whereas 55% of fatal car accidents are single-car accidents.

https://wtop.com/dc-transit/2017/07/study-dangerous-kind-crash-isnt-feared/
https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/21/e1/e138

It’s weird how you are so dismissive of the harm reckless bikers cause. Actually it isn’t. But it’s funny how you demand proof of other claims but are just willing to say whatever to diminish your behavior.
https://abc7ny.com/bike-lanes-safety-cyclists-bikers/5473859/

Your concern about reckless cyclists is disingenuous because reckless drivers kill and maim several orders of magnitude more frequently.

So you are not concerned about pedestrians killed by bikers. Got it.

I'm perfectly capable of being concerned about both, but I'm not nearly as concerned about pedestrians killed by bikers as I am by pedestrians killed by cars, just as am not nearly as concerned about getting hit by lighting as I am about my roof leaking from all this rain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Incidents where bicycles kill pedestrians are so very, very rare that it's probably impossible to find statistics.

However, one telling statistic is that only 17% of fatal bike injuries are single-bike accidents; whereas 55% of fatal car accidents are single-car accidents.

https://wtop.com/dc-transit/2017/07/study-dangerous-kind-crash-isnt-feared/
https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/21/e1/e138

It’s weird how you are so dismissive of the harm reckless bikers cause. Actually it isn’t. But it’s funny how you demand proof of other claims but are just willing to say whatever to diminish your behavior.
https://abc7ny.com/bike-lanes-safety-cyclists-bikers/5473859/

Your concern about reckless cyclists is disingenuous because reckless drivers kill and maim several orders of magnitude more frequently.

So you are not concerned about pedestrians killed by bikers. Got it.

I'm perfectly capable of being concerned about both, but I'm not nearly as concerned about pedestrians killed by bikers as I am by pedestrians killed by cars, just as am not nearly as concerned about getting hit by lighting as I am about my roof leaking from all this rain.

You are not as concerned because you are a biker. But the fact is that bikers inflict a lot of harm due their reckless and negligent behavior and you don’t think that biker behavior should be regulated at all, even though traffic rules apply to them when they use streets. It’s extremely easy to find these stories and the commonality between bikers and drivers is that both like to disclaim responsibility for their actions. So spare me, knock it off, grow up and behave responsibly before you kill or severely injure someone too.

https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/levy-active-senior-struck-by-speeding-cyclist
https://qctimes.com/news/local/barb-ickes/ickes-davenport-woman-struck-by-cyclist-killed-on-bike-path/article_efdd3402-02bb-5b9f-972e-1075d395f246.html
https://gothamist.com/news/queensboro-bridge-pedestrian-struck-injured-by-speeding-cyclist
https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/daily-news-exposes-central-park-bike-chaos-blind-marathon-runner-richard-bernstein-struck-speeding-cyclist-article-1.1137413
https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2019/10/31/medical-examiner-pedestrian-hit-by-cyclist-died-from-complications/
https://www.capitalgazette.com/news/ac-cn-bike-safety-20190723-20190724-2jbuxliv6nhexoypgxe33aynli-story.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Facts are facts. There's been 1 pedestrian fatality from a bicycle at 15mph and 0 from cars at 15 mph in DC within the last five years.

Cars are not deadly at 15 mph. They are deadly at higher speeds, which is not at issue, though.

I seriously doubt that you have the necessary data to support that assertion.

For example, how fast was the driver going who killed Zy'aire Joshua?

https://nacto.org/docs/usdg/relationship_between_speed_risk_fatal_injury_pedestrians_and_car_occupants_richards.pdf

0% probability

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Incidents where bicycles kill pedestrians are so very, very rare that it's probably impossible to find statistics.

However, one telling statistic is that only 17% of fatal bike injuries are single-bike accidents; whereas 55% of fatal car accidents are single-car accidents.

https://wtop.com/dc-transit/2017/07/study-dangerous-kind-crash-isnt-feared/
https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/21/e1/e138

It’s weird how you are so dismissive of the harm reckless bikers cause. Actually it isn’t. But it’s funny how you demand proof of other claims but are just willing to say whatever to diminish your behavior.
https://abc7ny.com/bike-lanes-safety-cyclists-bikers/5473859/

Your concern about reckless cyclists is disingenuous because reckless drivers kill and maim several orders of magnitude more frequently.

So you are not concerned about pedestrians killed by bikers. Got it.

I'm perfectly capable of being concerned about both, but I'm not nearly as concerned about pedestrians killed by bikers as I am by pedestrians killed by cars, just as am not nearly as concerned about getting hit by lighting as I am about my roof leaking from all this rain.

You are not as concerned because you are a biker. But the fact is that bikers inflict a lot of harm due their reckless and negligent behavior and you don’t think that biker behavior should be regulated at all, even though traffic rules apply to them when they use streets. It’s extremely easy to find these stories and the commonality between bikers and drivers is that both like to disclaim responsibility for their actions. So spare me, knock it off, grow up and behave responsibly before you kill or severely injure someone too.

https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/levy-active-senior-struck-by-speeding-cyclist
https://qctimes.com/news/local/barb-ickes/ickes-davenport-woman-struck-by-cyclist-killed-on-bike-path/article_efdd3402-02bb-5b9f-972e-1075d395f246.html
https://gothamist.com/news/queensboro-bridge-pedestrian-struck-injured-by-speeding-cyclist
https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/daily-news-exposes-central-park-bike-chaos-blind-marathon-runner-richard-bernstein-struck-speeding-cyclist-article-1.1137413
https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2019/10/31/medical-examiner-pedestrian-hit-by-cyclist-died-from-complications/
https://www.capitalgazette.com/news/ac-cn-bike-safety-20190723-20190724-2jbuxliv6nhexoypgxe33aynli-story.html

ONCE AGAIN for the weirdly obsessed anti-biker dude:

- We are talking about East Potomac Park/Hains Point, where a speeding car recently killed two pedestrians
- Cars are much riskier to pedestrians and bikers than bikers to pedestrians
- The current configuration in Hains Point puts pedestrians into the road unsafely with bikes and cars
- Therefore, East Potomac Park/Hains Point needs upgrades to create bike infrastructure, pedestrian infrastructure, and limit/slow down cars with speed bumps.

And because you insist: yes, bikes should not be allowed to run into pedestrians either. obviously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Incidents where bicycles kill pedestrians are so very, very rare that it's probably impossible to find statistics.

However, one telling statistic is that only 17% of fatal bike injuries are single-bike accidents; whereas 55% of fatal car accidents are single-car accidents.

https://wtop.com/dc-transit/2017/07/study-dangerous-kind-crash-isnt-feared/
https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/21/e1/e138

It’s weird how you are so dismissive of the harm reckless bikers cause. Actually it isn’t. But it’s funny how you demand proof of other claims but are just willing to say whatever to diminish your behavior.
https://abc7ny.com/bike-lanes-safety-cyclists-bikers/5473859/

Your concern about reckless cyclists is disingenuous because reckless drivers kill and maim several orders of magnitude more frequently.

So you are not concerned about pedestrians killed by bikers. Got it.

I'm perfectly capable of being concerned about both, but I'm not nearly as concerned about pedestrians killed by bikers as I am by pedestrians killed by cars, just as am not nearly as concerned about getting hit by lighting as I am about my roof leaking from all this rain.

You are not as concerned because you are a biker. But the fact is that bikers inflict a lot of harm due their reckless and negligent behavior and you don’t think that biker behavior should be regulated at all, even though traffic rules apply to them when they use streets. It’s extremely easy to find these stories and the commonality between bikers and drivers is that both like to disclaim responsibility for their actions. So spare me, knock it off, grow up and behave responsibly before you kill or severely injure someone too.

https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/levy-active-senior-struck-by-speeding-cyclist
https://qctimes.com/news/local/barb-ickes/ickes-davenport-woman-struck-by-cyclist-killed-on-bike-path/article_efdd3402-02bb-5b9f-972e-1075d395f246.html
https://gothamist.com/news/queensboro-bridge-pedestrian-struck-injured-by-speeding-cyclist
https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/daily-news-exposes-central-park-bike-chaos-blind-marathon-runner-richard-bernstein-struck-speeding-cyclist-article-1.1137413
https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2019/10/31/medical-examiner-pedestrian-hit-by-cyclist-died-from-complications/
https://www.capitalgazette.com/news/ac-cn-bike-safety-20190723-20190724-2jbuxliv6nhexoypgxe33aynli-story.html

Please show me where I, or anyone else on this thread, stated that cyclist behavior should not be regulated at all.

And please. Spare us your histrionics about the danger of reckless cyclists, when, again, drivers kill and maim magnitudes more people every year. Or is it that you just don't care about the people hurt by drivers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Facts are facts. There's been 1 pedestrian fatality from a bicycle at 15mph and 0 from cars at 15 mph in DC within the last five years.

Cars are not deadly at 15 mph. They are deadly at higher speeds, which is not at issue, though.

I seriously doubt that you have the necessary data to support that assertion.

For example, how fast was the driver going who killed Zy'aire Joshua?

https://nacto.org/docs/usdg/relationship_between_speed_risk_fatal_injury_pedestrians_and_car_occupants_richards.pdf

0% probability

that document does not say 0% probability. little kids are killed all the time by being backed over by cars at slow speeds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Incidents where bicycles kill pedestrians are so very, very rare that it's probably impossible to find statistics.

However, one telling statistic is that only 17% of fatal bike injuries are single-bike accidents; whereas 55% of fatal car accidents are single-car accidents.

https://wtop.com/dc-transit/2017/07/study-dangerous-kind-crash-isnt-feared/
https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/21/e1/e138

It’s weird how you are so dismissive of the harm reckless bikers cause. Actually it isn’t. But it’s funny how you demand proof of other claims but are just willing to say whatever to diminish your behavior.
https://abc7ny.com/bike-lanes-safety-cyclists-bikers/5473859/

Your concern about reckless cyclists is disingenuous because reckless drivers kill and maim several orders of magnitude more frequently.

Not at 15 mph. Please remember that this whole sub-discussion is about whether a 15 mph speed limit should also apply to bicyclists.

Do you think a bike lane should be installed to protect bikers from cars? How about limiting cars to one lane of one side? I’m ok with speed limits for all vehicles but you are creating a massive strawman and worrying it like a deranged pitbull. Let’s get back to the topic, which is creating dedicated space for bikes and pedestrians, and limiting and slowing down cars.

I don't think anything special should be done for bicyclists because of people on this thread and others. Ordinarily id be in favor of a dedicated bike path.