Kobe Bryant killed in helicopter crash (per TMZ)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You crazies are suggesting censoring the media until they get some sort of signal from LEO that families have you been notified before reporting news. Sounds like a great way for LEO to hide info when they’ve botched things (which we know happens frequently). Also a great way to get this nanny state on a roll. Listen, it is terribly sad for someone to find out about a death from the media, but this was also a freak accident and the the news being exploited is just a residual effect of hanging out with a celebrity.

Actually, waiting for law enforcement to confirm the identities of the deceased before publishing them has been one of the basic rules of responsible throughout modern history. TMZ and similar outlets ignore this rule.

They still have not identified the bodies. So you are saying, they should wait until next week.

NP - no, that is probably not what they are saying. There was a manifest, and the police could confirm who actually got on the chopper in an hour or so AND notify their families.

No.the cops could find out with 10 minutes.

[Anonymous]

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-01-27/removing-remains-kobe-bryant-helicopter-crash-site

So terribly sad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This happens even with not famous people. An acquaintance of mine died. Everyone knew she wasn't a particularly nice person but at her funeral and on social media they praised her for and even referred to her as a great wife and mother. She was neither of those. I knew her daughter and her daughter could tell countless stories of what a not great wife and mother she was...but everyone knew that her death wasn't the time to hang out all her dirty laundry.

That is just normal. Comments after death are for the surviving family and friends - wanting to highlight that person's mistakes seems really crass and rude. What benefit is there to be gained by trying to hurt the family? Is death really the time to try and stab a screwdriver in the surviving people's backs and twist?

This.

It makes little sense to demonize people. I can see if the person was a serial killer, but in many cases, people screw up. We’re human beings. Acting like everyone should be perfect saints is unrelated and unrealistic.

The demonizing of people dying culture trend needs to end. My own mother has been one of the most selfish mean people ever but when she goes, of course I’ll remember her as my dear sweet mother.

That does a disservice to survivors. My mother died when I was very young and I was raised with the idea that she was a saint. Everyone told me how wonderful, selfless, perfect she was, what an amazing mother she'd been. I only heard good stories. I had a baby, and part of this was postpartum hormones, but I felt like such a failure. I wasn't the perfect mother, I could never live up to my mother's memory, etc. I called my aunt and she came over and told me how my mother had dropped me, and I had been starving because she struggled at breastfeeding, and she was so cranky and sleep deprived. It made me feel so much better, and since then I've asked family and her friends for her screw up stories, and stories of her failings and flaws. It's made me feel closer to her, to think of her as human, and also made me miss her more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This happens even with not famous people. An acquaintance of mine died. Everyone knew she wasn't a particularly nice person but at her funeral and on social media they praised her for and even referred to her as a great wife and mother. She was neither of those. I knew her daughter and her daughter could tell countless stories of what a not great wife and mother she was...but everyone knew that her death wasn't the time to hang out all her dirty laundry.

That is just normal. Comments after death are for the surviving family and friends - wanting to highlight that person's mistakes seems really crass and rude. What benefit is there to be gained by trying to hurt the family? Is death really the time to try and stab a screwdriver in the surviving people's backs and twist?

This.

It makes little sense to demonize people. I can see if the person was a serial killer, but in many cases, people screw up. We’re human beings. Acting like everyone should be perfect saints is unrelated and unrealistic.

The demonizing of people dying culture trend needs to end. My own mother has been one of the most selfish mean people ever but when she goes, of course I’ll remember her as my dear sweet mother.

That does a disservice to survivors. My mother died when I was very young and I was raised with the idea that she was a saint. Everyone told me how wonderful, selfless, perfect she was, what an amazing mother she'd been. I only heard good stories. I had a baby, and part of this was postpartum hormones, but I felt like such a failure. I wasn't the perfect mother, I could never live up to my mother's memory, etc. I called my aunt and she came over and told me how my mother had dropped me, and I had been starving because she struggled at breastfeeding, and she was so cranky and sleep deprived. It made me feel so much better, and since then I've asked family and her friends for her screw up stories, and stories of her failings and flaws. It's made me feel closer to her, to think of her as human, and also made me miss her more.

So you feel it would have been best at the time of your mother's death for people to publicly share online and via other public means those stories? Why would the world need to know at the time of her death that she had struggled with breastfeeding? Do you really feel that needed to shouted out in a newspaper for the world to know? What your family could have told you in private has no bearing on what needs to be made public.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This happens even with not famous people. An acquaintance of mine died. Everyone knew she wasn't a particularly nice person but at her funeral and on social media they praised her for and even referred to her as a great wife and mother. She was neither of those. I knew her daughter and her daughter could tell countless stories of what a not great wife and mother she was...but everyone knew that her death wasn't the time to hang out all her dirty laundry.

That is just normal. Comments after death are for the surviving family and friends - wanting to highlight that person's mistakes seems really crass and rude. What benefit is there to be gained by trying to hurt the family? Is death really the time to try and stab a screwdriver in the surviving people's backs and twist?

This.

It makes little sense to demonize people. I can see if the person was a serial killer, but in many cases, people screw up. We’re human beings. Acting like everyone should be perfect saints is unrelated and unrealistic.

The demonizing of people dying culture trend needs to end. My own mother has been one of the most selfish mean people ever but when she goes, of course I’ll remember her as my dear sweet mother.

The entire premise of the prior two posts is wrong. No one is trying to hurt the family. I seriously doubt Kobe’s wife is on DCUM. Pointing out his faults and questioning why people are treating him as someone he wasn’t is not “demonizing” him. It’s telling a balanced account of who he is.

Yes. People screw up. And yes people are often portrayed positively in obituaries. But give the over the top statements about him (hero etc.) it’s absolutely fair, and more accurate, to give the full picture.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This happens even with not famous people. An acquaintance of mine died. Everyone knew she wasn't a particularly nice person but at her funeral and on social media they praised her for and even referred to her as a great wife and mother. She was neither of those. I knew her daughter and her daughter could tell countless stories of what a not great wife and mother she was...but everyone knew that her death wasn't the time to hang out all her dirty laundry.

That is just normal. Comments after death are for the surviving family and friends - wanting to highlight that person's mistakes seems really crass and rude. What benefit is there to be gained by trying to hurt the family? Is death really the time to try and stab a screwdriver in the surviving people's backs and twist?

This.

It makes little sense to demonize people. I can see if the person was a serial killer, but in many cases, people screw up. We’re human beings. Acting like everyone should be perfect saints is unrelated and unrealistic.

The demonizing of people dying culture trend needs to end. My own mother has been one of the most selfish mean people ever but when she goes, of course I’ll remember her as my dear sweet mother.

That does a disservice to survivors. My mother died when I was very young and I was raised with the idea that she was a saint. Everyone told me how wonderful, selfless, perfect she was, what an amazing mother she'd been. I only heard good stories. I had a baby, and part of this was postpartum hormones, but I felt like such a failure. I wasn't the perfect mother, I could never live up to my mother's memory, etc. I called my aunt and she came over and told me how my mother had dropped me, and I had been starving because she struggled at breastfeeding, and she was so cranky and sleep deprived. It made me feel so much better, and since then I've asked family and her friends for her screw up stories, and stories of her failings and flaws. It's made me feel closer to her, to think of her as human, and also made me miss her more.

So you feel it would have been best at the time of your mother's death for people to publicly share online and via other public means those stories? Why would the world need to know at the time of her death that she had struggled with breastfeeding? Do you really feel that needed to shouted out in a newspaper for the world to know? What your family could have told you in private has no bearing on what needs to be made public.

His legacy is public and pretending he was perfect in public is wrong. We need to remember people as they were, not how we wish they were. So yes, people will remember your flaws when you die, probably in public at your funeral. Even if your not famous. And that's how it should be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Kobe was the MJ of this era, only Lebron James is next to him when it comes to fame. That’s pretty huge. Regardless, it’s a human being who lost his daughter on a happy trip, along with 7 others. It’s a tragic story and it’s so sad to see people’s lives ended so shortly. Kobe was one of the nicest humblest players in the league, so to see him end that way is a shame.


I hope that the NBA does an amazing tribute to him.

I’m sure they will. And he will hopefully have all sorts of memorials, public services, etc. I disagree about your LeBron comment. Not everyone knows who LeBron James is. But EVERYONE knew who Kobe Bryant was! He transcended basketball.

Not knowing who Lebron James is???

Under what cave are you living under? Because 2003 called. Lebron has been a house hold name for over a decade.

Right? I’m not even into basketball and I know that!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kobe was the MJ of this era, only Lebron James is next to him when it comes to fame. That’s pretty huge. Regardless, it’s a human being who lost his daughter on a happy trip, along with 7 others. It’s a tragic story and it’s so sad to see people’s lives ended so shortly. Kobe was one of the nicest humblest players in the league, so to see him end that way is a shame.


I hope that the NBA does an amazing tribute to him.

I’m sure they will. And he will hopefully have all sorts of memorials, public services, etc. I disagree about your LeBron comment. Not everyone knows who LeBron James is. But EVERYONE knew who Kobe Bryant was! He transcended basketball.

Not knowing who Lebron James is???

Under what cave are you living under? Because 2003 called. Lebron has been a house hold name for over a decade.

Right? I’m not even into basketball and I know that!

PP here. Ok, but I bet there are people who don’t. Anyway. I agree, it’s off topic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This happens even with not famous people. An acquaintance of mine died. Everyone knew she wasn't a particularly nice person but at her funeral and on social media they praised her for and even referred to her as a great wife and mother. She was neither of those. I knew her daughter and her daughter could tell countless stories of what a not great wife and mother she was...but everyone knew that her death wasn't the time to hang out all her dirty laundry.

That is just normal. Comments after death are for the surviving family and friends - wanting to highlight that person's mistakes seems really crass and rude. What benefit is there to be gained by trying to hurt the family? Is death really the time to try and stab a screwdriver in the surviving people's backs and twist?

This.

It makes little sense to demonize people. I can see if the person was a serial killer, but in many cases, people screw up. We’re human beings. Acting like everyone should be perfect saints is unrelated and unrealistic.

The demonizing of people dying culture trend needs to end. My own mother has been one of the most selfish mean people ever but when she goes, of course I’ll remember her as my dear sweet mother.

That does a disservice to survivors. My mother died when I was very young and I was raised with the idea that she was a saint. Everyone told me how wonderful, selfless, perfect she was, what an amazing mother she'd been. I only heard good stories. I had a baby, and part of this was postpartum hormones, but I felt like such a failure. I wasn't the perfect mother, I could never live up to my mother's memory, etc. I called my aunt and she came over and told me how my mother had dropped me, and I had been starving because she struggled at breastfeeding, and she was so cranky and sleep deprived. It made me feel so much better, and since then I've asked family and her friends for her screw up stories, and stories of her failings and flaws. It's made me feel closer to her, to think of her as human, and also made me miss her more.

I don’t think this is the same thing at all. Your’re describing a very normal mom. What people have said about Kobe is vastly different.

[Anonymous]

Lots of fans we’re telling personal stories about how he took time out to talk with them, and do nice gestures. When people got injured, like Durant, apparently Kobe was the first to call. He was apparently very humble off the court.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kobe was the MJ of this era, only Lebron James is next to him when it comes to fame. That’s pretty huge. Regardless, it’s a human being who lost his daughter on a happy trip, along with 7 others. It’s a tragic story and it’s so sad to see people’s lives ended so shortly. Kobe was one of the nicest humblest players in the league, so to see him end that way is a shame.


I hope that the NBA does an amazing tribute to him.

I’m sure they will. And he will hopefully have all sorts of memorials, public services, etc. I disagree about your LeBron comment. Not everyone knows who LeBron James is. But EVERYONE knew who Kobe Bryant was! He transcended basketball.

Not knowing who Lebron James is???

Under what cave are you living under? Because 2003 called. Lebron has been a house hold name for over a decade.

Right? I’m not even into basketball and I know that!

PP here. Ok, but I bet there are people who don’t. Anyway. I agree, it’s off topic.

If someone, anyone knows who Kobe Bryant was, they DEFINITELY know who Lebron James is. Period. I don’t want to criticize a man after he’s died, but Kobe Bryant definitely had some issues in his younger years with questionable actions. MJ and KB were great players who also did great things; it’s accurate to say they transcended basketball. They also both have had some very public mistakes in their off the court lives. To date, LJ has not had that issue. He’s a devoted family man, married to his HS sweetheart with a ton of philanthropic endeavors. His impact on the basketball world and the world in general is certainly no less than KB’s and to suggest otherwise is just silly.

[Anonymous]

Kobe built a park for underprivileged kids in Houston. It sounds heroic to me

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Kobe built a park for underprivileged kids in Houston. It sounds heroic to me

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Kobe built a park for underprivileged kids in Houston. It sounds heroic to me

Donated $1M+ to the African American museum.

[Anonymous]

Grown men of all background, famous and not famous are crying on tv. It takes two seconds to do a little research to understand why, and it is not because he dribbled a ball. He was giving back to countless communities and causes without any fanfare. He was lending his voice to equity in sports for women, he was starting financial programs and investing in the community. By all accounts, he and his wife and children were a beautiful and loving family. If you can’t see the man that has emerged and evolved over the past 16 years then you are portraying a false narrative not the media.