NOVA Stats for spring '17 UVA, W & M & Tech acceptances (or not)

[Anonymous]

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If we are going to look at cheaper options -- why does FCPS have so many foreign (oh -- I mean WORLD) language offerings? Let's shorten the list to Spanish, French, and Latin. Save lots of money.

How so? Most schools offer what is demanded. If they don't have enough to support a certain language, it is not offered.

I know of at least five FCPS high schools that still offer underutilized language classes.

Really? Which ones, with links please. Thanks so much.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The last Freedom of Information Act request I submitted (School Year 2015-2016) showed 170 transfers out of Lee and only 16 transfers in, for a net loss of 154 students. These are totals across the four grades..

Transfer report is on the Dashboard site.

https://www.fcps.edu/enrollmentdashboard

Go to Pyramid & Programs Dashboard, then select Special Data Analysis/Pyramid & Programs. On the next screen, scroll to View Transfer Report.

http://151.188.217.200/fts_drupal_support/dashboard/region1-5transferreport.pdf

Also, if you go to the Dashboard site and select Enrollment and then High School, you can view the page for Lee HS and see the number of Student Transfers (lower right corner of page).

I have found that the FOIA numbers don't necessarily match the Dashboard. Also I can get more detailed information via the FOIA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It seems to me that most of the IB schools would be better served with AP. It certainly would be cheaper.

All of this angst for just over a thousand students pupil placing to other schools -- 474 transfers approved for AP students and 544 transfers approved for IB students.

If we are going to look at cheaper options -- why does FCPS have so many foreign (oh -- I mean WORLD) language offerings? Let's shorten the list to Spanish, French, and Latin. Save lots of money.

Let's not. Our HS offers Russian - a language coveted by many employers these days - and is a highly respected and well-known program. Just because *you* aren't interested in Russian (or other languages) doesn't mean that many others aren't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If we are going to look at cheaper options -- why does FCPS have so many foreign (oh -- I mean WORLD) language offerings? Let's shorten the list to Spanish, French, and Latin. Save lots of money.

How so? Most schools offer what is demanded. If they don't have enough to support a certain language, it is not offered.

I know of at least five FCPS high schools that still offer underutilized language classes.

Really? Which ones, with links please. Thanks so much.

The websites have not been updated in forever. There are no links.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems to me that most of the IB schools would be better served with AP. It certainly would be cheaper.

All of this angst for just over a thousand students pupil placing to other schools -- 474 transfers approved for AP students and 544 transfers approved for IB students.

If we are going to look at cheaper options -- why does FCPS have so many foreign (oh -- I mean WORLD) language offerings? Let's shorten the list to Spanish, French, and Latin. Save lots of money.

Let's not. Our HS offers Russian - a language coveted by many employers these days - and is a highly respected and well-known program. Just because *you* aren't interested in Russian (or other languages) doesn't mean that many others aren't.

Well, just because YOU are not interested in IB doesn't mean that many others aren't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The last Freedom of Information Act request I submitted (School Year 2015-2016) showed 170 transfers out of Lee and only 16 transfers in, for a net loss of 154 students. These are totals across the four grades..

Transfer report is on the Dashboard site.

https://www.fcps.edu/enrollmentdashboard

Go to Pyramid & Programs Dashboard, then select Special Data Analysis/Pyramid & Programs. On the next screen, scroll to View Transfer Report.

http://151.188.217.200/fts_drupal_support/dashboard/region1-5transferreport.pdf

Also, if you go to the Dashboard site and select Enrollment and then High School, you can view the page for Lee HS and see the number of Student Transfers (lower right corner of page).

I have found that the FOIA numbers don't necessarily match the Dashboard. Also I can get more detailed information via the FOIA.

Of course they don't. FCPS cannot even use consistent enrollment projection numbers when planning for the budget and CIP.

FPAC annual report to the Board presentation, slide 19:
http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/AP32US03EB1D/$file/FPAC%20Annual%20Report%202016-2017%20Presentation%20(002).pdf

FPAC annual report to the Board, page 8:
http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/ANRQRW61FF01/$file/FPAC%20Annual%20Report%20SY%202016-2017.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems to me that most of the IB schools would be better served with AP. It certainly would be cheaper.

All of this angst for just over a thousand students pupil placing to other schools -- 474 transfers approved for AP students and 544 transfers approved for IB students.

If we are going to look at cheaper options -- why does FCPS have so many foreign (oh -- I mean WORLD) language offerings? Let's shorten the list to Spanish, French, and Latin. Save lots of money.

Let's not. Our HS offers Russian - a language coveted by many employers these days - and is a highly respected and well-known program. Just because *you* aren't interested in Russian (or other languages) doesn't mean that many others aren't.

Well, just because YOU are not interested in IB doesn't mean that many others aren't.

False equivalency. IB sucks the oxygen out of the air at IB schools because nothing and no one else matters as much as the IB diploma kids. Offering a foreign language does not.

And for no great reason, either. If an IB diploma kid has mediocre SAT/ACT scores, he/she is still going to get turned down by UVA and W&M.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:[quote=AnonymousIt seems to me that most of the IB schools would be better served with AP. aper.[/

IB sucks the oxygen out of the air at IB schools because nothing and no one else matters as much as the I

Not what I see. Graduation numbers seem to be the focus. And athletics get the most parent involvement. IB kids are the ones they expect to make it and get little attention.

[Anonymous]

06:54 - I'm familiar with two IB schools and see no evidence that supports your assertion that the program "sucks oxygen away from other students". I've never heard this concern from the school administrators or non-IB parents.

Can you provide some further support this claim?

Do you have any data or source that shows what colleges IB Diploma students apply/accept/attend? My understanding from seeing three classes of IB Diploma candidates matriculate is that these students do very well - at UVA, W&M, HYPS, SLACs and the military academies. My sense from working with these kids and their parents is that they are very keen on the program and very pleased with the outcomes.

Your ongoing diatribe against IB is irrational without specific information. You could just say that "I just hate IB" and we'll discount everything you say as immoderate opinion (which is fine although worthless in progressing the understanding of other DCUM participants) unless you start participating and providing real information and/or interesting perspective - your choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:06:54 - I'm familiar with two IB schools and see no evidence that supports your assertion that the program "sucks oxygen away from other students". I've never heard this concern from the school administrators or non-IB parents.

Can you provide some further support this claim?

Do you have any data or source that shows what colleges IB Diploma students apply/accept/attend? My understanding from seeing three classes of IB Diploma candidates matriculate is that these students do very well - at UVA, W&M, HYPS, SLACs and the military academies. My sense from working with these kids and their parents is that they are very keen on the program and very pleased with the outcomes.

Your ongoing diatribe against IB is irrational without specific information. You could just say that "I just hate IB" and we'll discount everything you say as immoderate opinion (which is fine although worthless in progressing the understanding of other DCUM participants) unless you start participating and providing real information and/or interesting perspective - your choice.

I am neither poster from above. However, it does not take much to see that in the poorer IB schools that IB could suck out oxygen. For one thing, and I do not have the data -and I suspect it would be quite difficult to get it--common sense tells me that because the IB program has requirements that are non-negotiable, that many of the IB offerings must necessarily be overstaffed. In other words, it would appear that many of the IB classes are quite small. This means that the gen ed classes are necessarily overenrolled and that the offerings in gen ed may be more limited. Staffing is done by school enrollment--and that could unbalance the offerings between IB and gen ed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:06:54 - I'm familiar with two IB schools and see no evidence that supports your assertion that the program "sucks oxygen away from other students". I've never heard this concern from the school administrators or non-IB parents.

Can you provide some further support this claim?

Do you have any data or source that shows what colleges IB Diploma students apply/accept/attend? My understanding from seeing three classes of IB Diploma candidates matriculate is that these students do very well - at UVA, W&M, HYPS, SLACs and the military academies. My sense from working with these kids and their parents is that they are very keen on the program and very pleased with the outcomes.

Your ongoing diatribe against IB is irrational without specific information. You could just say that "I just hate IB" and we'll discount everything you say as immoderate opinion (which is fine although worthless in progressing the understanding of other DCUM participants) unless you start participating and providing real information and/or interesting perspective - your choice.

I am neither poster from above. However, it does not take much to see that in the poorer IB schools that IB could suck out oxygen. For one thing, and I do not have the data -and I suspect it would be quite difficult to get it--common sense tells me that because the IB program has requirements that are non-negotiable, that many of the IB offerings must necessarily be overstaffed. In other words, it would appear that many of the IB classes are quite small. This means that the gen ed classes are necessarily overenrolled and that the offerings in gen ed may be more limited. Staffing is done by school enrollment--and that could unbalance the offerings between IB and gen ed.

Wow, there are a whole lot of assumptions above. You have no data to support the statement that IB offerings are overstaffed. You have no data to support your belief that IB classes are significantly smaller than other classes. You have no data to support your belief that offerings in gen ed are more limited in IB schools than they are in other schools. IOW, you are pulling all this out of your rear end.

[Anonymous]

Wow, there are a whole lot of assumptions above. You have no data to support the statement that IB offerings are overstaffed. You have no data to support your belief that IB classes are significantly smaller than other classes. You have no data to support your belief that offerings in gen ed are more limited in IB schools than they are in other schools. IOW, you are pulling all this out of your rear end.

I think I said I had no data. As for pulling it out of my rear end--no. It actually came from putting two and two together with a little judgment and common sense.

When the percentage of kids in some of these schools is so low in the IB diploma program, it does not take a genius to figure out that the program is not getting the bang for the bucks.

[Anonymous]

Here you go:

SY2015-2016
IB Diploma Candidates
IB Diplomas Awarded
Percent of IB Candidates Awarded IB Diploma
Total Graduates
Percent of Graduates Awarded IB Diploma Annandale High 47 29 61.7% 534 5.4%
Edison High 52 43 82.7% 425 10.1%
Lee High 21 21 100.0% 401 5.2%
Marshall High 82 79 96.3% 422 18.7%
Mount Vernon High 17 9 52.9% 432 2.1%
Robinson High 157 131 83.4% 650 20.2%
South Lakes High 84 73 86.9% 522 14.0%
Stuart High 71 40 56.3% 388 10.3%
Total 531 425 80.0% 3,774 11.3%

This is from the link a few pages back. Pretty dreary results.
Take out Robinson and Marshall and the results are pretty bleak--especially considering the resources.

[Anonymous]

This is why you should be saving for private school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems to me that most of the IB schools would be better served with AP. It certainly would be cheaper.

All of this angst for just over a thousand students pupil placing to other schools -- 474 transfers approved for AP students and 544 transfers approved for IB students.

If we are going to look at cheaper options -- why does FCPS have so many foreign (oh -- I mean WORLD) language offerings? Let's shorten the list to Spanish, French, and Latin. Save lots of money.

Let's not. Our HS offers Russian - a language coveted by many employers these days - and is a highly respected and well-known program. Just because *you* aren't interested in Russian (or other languages) doesn't mean that many others aren't.

Well, just because YOU are not interested in IB doesn't mean that many others aren't.

False equivalency. IB sucks the oxygen out of the air at IB schools because nothing and no one else matters as much as the IB diploma kids. Offering a foreign language does not.

And for no great reason, either. If an IB diploma kid has mediocre SAT/ACT scores, he/she is still going to get turned down by UVA and W&M.

I hate to tell you, but an IB diploma student with a mediocre SAT/ACT still has a leg up over a kid with a handful of AP classes and a mediocre SAT/ACT, even more so at Virginia colleges than elsewhere.