NOVA Stats for spring '17 UVA, W & M & Tech acceptances (or not)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ is sending almost 150 kids to UVA, WM or VT Engineering. 2017 acceptance numbers aren't out yet, but usually 1/2 to 1/3 of acceptances attend. (There will be some overlap in acceptances).

Numbers from the thread on the VA Public Schools forum:

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/649423.page

LBSS
W&M 10
UVA 28
VT 43

TC Williams
W&M 7
UVA 18
VT 15

Annandale
W&M 1
UVA 12
VT 13

Washington-Lee
W&M 14
UVA 12
VT 30

(There were names of colleges for West Potomac but no counts.)

These numbers for W-L are not complete, plus they show matriculation, not acceptances. This article from last year shows a typical result for APS:

http://www.arlingtonmagazine.com/where-arlington-grads-applied-and-were-accepted-to-college/

UVA acceptances:
HB Woodlawn--12 of 29 applicants
Wakefield--9 of 35 applicants
W-L--48 of 140 applicants
Yorktown--40 of 118 applicants

W&M acceptances:
HBW--9 of 23 applicants
Wakefield--12 of 30 applicants
W-L--35 of 88 applicants
Yorktown--42 of 86 applicants

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Bottom line: UVA and W&M affirmatively do not want NOVA applicants or students. They want NOVA tax revenue, but those of us that live here are poison and are to be avoided. A GPA barely above a B+ from a school in seven central Virginia counties, together with standardized test scores in roughly the 75+ percentile, is enough for UVA, from that locality. The NOVA requirements are dramatically higher. UVA and W&M demand, receive, hold, and expend public funds. But they do NOT equally accommodate VA resident applicants by any measure.

What would be an acceptable NOVA acceptance rate for you? UVA and W&M already accept over 100 kids per year at my DS' FCPS high school, out of a total of about 240 applications. These NOVA kids are being admitted at a rate that exceeds the overall acceptance rates for these schools. I'm not sure why you feel personally victimized by the presence of a small percentage of central Virginians in the student body.

Quit making stuff up you liar.
Unless you are talking about TJ- no FCPS school Is hitting those numbers.

[Anonymous]

Quit making stuff up you liar.
Unless you are talking about TJ- no FCPS school Is hitting those numbers.

maybe OP meant WM and UVA combined.

[Anonymous]

Quit making stuff up you liar.
Unless you are talking about TJ- no FCPS school Is hitting those numbers.



maybe OP meant WM and UVA combined.

Yes, that's correct. At my kid's NOVA HS (definitely not TJ!), about 50-55+ are accepted at UVA and around 45 are accepted at W&M. Application numbers for each school are about 145 for UVA and about 95 for W&M. VA Tech accepted 100 kids in each of the last two years (with 160 to 170 apps).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: UVA and W&M affirmatively do not want NOVA applicants or students. They want NOVA tax revenue, but those of us that live here are poison and are to be avoided. A GPA barely above a B+ from a school in seven central Virginia counties, together with standardized test scores in roughly the 75+ percentile, is enough for UVA, from that locality. The NOVA requirements are dramatically higher. UVA and W&M demand, receive, hold, and expend public funds. But they do NOT equally accommodate VA resident applicants by any measure.

dang! That is really depressing. Is that what constitutes the "top 10%" in central Va.? Or are they willing to take the top 35% from central VA?

I never thought I'd encourage my kids to start at NovaCoCo, but that may be their only option. Times have changed.

[Anonymous]

Bottom line: UVA and W&M affirmatively do not want NOVA applicants or students. They want NOVA tax revenue, but those of us that live here are poison and are to be avoided. A GPA barely above a B+ from a school in seven central Virginia counties, together with standardized test scores in roughly the 75+ percentile, is enough for UVA, from that locality. The NOVA requirements are dramatically higher. UVA and W&M demand, receive, hold, and expend public funds. But they do NOT equally accommodate VA resident applicants by any measure.

source?

[Anonymous]

A) taxpayers are no longer paying for UVA - it has been self-funding for about a decade now.
B) It is almost impossible to get in from NOVA now. The TJ figures are an anomaly because of the self-selecting that has already occurred just to get into TJ. Langley and McLean (with 2000 students) might sent 12 to 15 each. The other NOVA positions have to be spread amongst all the other NOVA highschools (33 in FCPS alone) plus the privates AND the in-state students who are attending a private in Maryland or D.C.
C) Yes, you must be in the top 10% of your class to get in. Class of 2020 was 93.5% top 10% and class of 2021 is 94.6%. Remaining slots are out of state paying full freight, URMs, international students, first generation or other strong diversity types who bring something to the class.
D) Yes, smart parents much prefer UVAs %26K a year (now $30K a year for incoming class) to out-of=state tuition of $50K or private university or SLAC at $70-$72K. I know several students who turned down Ivies and U Cal schools because of the prohibitive cost. One didn't get into UVA so went to Berkeley but his parents are furious.
E) UVA seems to be also seeking out students with exceptional SAT and ACT scores. 682 in last year's incoming class had perfect SAT. The two students I know who got in from NOVA had perfect ACTs. The average ACT for the class of 2021 is 31-34. The average GPA is 4.26.
F) UVA seems to look for exceptionally well-rounded students and cherry picks the best off of each public and private. Check the stats on College Confidential and study the backgrounds of the "Chance Mes" who didn't get in and you will be astounded.
G) Eagle Scout seems to be well-regarded. I work inthe field and heard that Eagle Scout is an auto. in for U of Cal schools (UCLA Berkeley). That has been true in my experience The four young men I know who went to UVA in the class of 2020 were all Eagle Scouts but also had GPAs over 4.0 and perfect scores.
H) Although no one will tell you this up front, top scores on the SAT II subjectmatter tests will help your application immensely. Many schools like UVA and princeton will say "not required but recommended" but they say that because testing is expensive and they want first generation, URMS and the poor to apply. The ivies have a special program for this . . . to help the inner city and poor kids apply. That is a huge plus on your appliction if the FAFSA will support your claimed financial situation.
I) The college world has REALLY changed since we all went. It's no small feat now to get into many of the schools we attended. Study the stats on College Confidential to get atrue handle of the situation before you apply and check with Naviance. Your VA high school will not help you inthe application process if you don't have the minimum stats. THat's why the acceptance rates that people claim show that UVA, W&M and some of theother VA schools are easy to get into is not accurate. You can't compare the application class of UVA to other privates across the nation. The public high school counselors will laugh atyou if you ask them to help get your B student into UVA and W&M and will steer you to another Virginia school. They will not work to get good letters of recommendation. They will not signal to UVA or W&M your child's rank.
I) Re rank. Now you will sqwak and say that Langley doesn't rank. But it does. Those 60 kids or more who make valedictorian (GPA over 4.0) are the only ones they will help get into UVA or W&M. Also, if you compete for the Jefferson Scholarship, the nominating school must rank the nominated student. Even if the school doens't rank, the principal must indicate a rank on the application form which i have filled out.
J) I have no answer. Many counties in VA send no student or one to UVA. FCPS sends about 600, but when you see those 600 spread out across all the public and private schools plus VA boarding school and Maryland private and DC private but VA residents, you see just how difficult it is to get in by sheer population numbers. One Congressman introduced a bill into the VA assembly which would have allotted 100 more seats to NOVA but I don't think it passed. Those 100 would have had a negligble impact, anyhow, on say Langley of Mclean. UVA does its best to make it fair but it also wants the top flight VA students and OOS and international students.
G) Meanwhile, as UVA cuts down on the no of VA seats, the U of Cal system isgoing the other direction to limit the no of OOS seats in upcoming classes to only 20% - this is in response to angry californians who are paying into a system that their students can't get into. But my professional guess is that 20% will go to top flight international students. The Chinese, in particular, have an irrational fix on UCLA and Berkeley because of proximity to mainland China.

I apologize for typos -working on small phone while on vacation Hope that is of some help.

[Anonymous]

Just send them to JMU and stop freaking out.

[Anonymous]

There are lots of great state colleges in Virginia. Truth be known, your kids will get just as good an education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A) taxpayers are no longer paying for UVA - it has been self-funding for about a decade now.
B) It is almost impossible to get in from NOVA now. The TJ figures are an anomaly because of the self-selecting that has already occurred just to get into TJ. Langley and McLean (with 2000 students) might sent 12 to 15 each. The other NOVA positions have to be spread amongst all the other NOVA highschools (33 in FCPS alone) plus the privates AND the in-state students who are attending a private in Maryland or D.C.
C) Yes, you must be in the top 10% of your class to get in. Class of 2020 was 93.5% top 10% and class of 2021 is 94.6%. Remaining slots are out of state paying full freight, URMs, international students, first generation or other strong diversity types who bring something to the class.
D) Yes, smart parents much prefer UVAs %26K a year (now $30K a year for incoming class) to out-of=state tuition of $50K or private university or SLAC at $70-$72K. I know several students who turned down Ivies and U Cal schools because of the prohibitive cost. One didn't get into UVA so went to Berkeley but his parents are furious.
E) UVA seems to be also seeking out students with exceptional SAT and ACT scores. 682 in last year's incoming class had perfect SAT. The two students I know who got in from NOVA had perfect ACTs. The average ACT for the class of 2021 is 31-34. The average GPA is 4.26.
F) UVA seems to look for exceptionally well-rounded students and cherry picks the best off of each public and private. Check the stats on College Confidential and study the backgrounds of the "Chance Mes" who didn't get in and you will be astounded.
G) Eagle Scout seems to be well-regarded. I work inthe field and heard that Eagle Scout is an auto. in for U of Cal schools (UCLA Berkeley). That has been true in my experience The four young men I know who went to UVA in the class of 2020 were all Eagle Scouts but also had GPAs over 4.0 and perfect scores.
H) Although no one will tell you this up front, top scores on the SAT II subjectmatter tests will help your application immensely. Many schools like UVA and princeton will say "not required but recommended" but they say that because testing is expensive and they want first generation, URMS and the poor to apply. The ivies have a special program for this . . . to help the inner city and poor kids apply. That is a huge plus on your appliction if the FAFSA will support your claimed financial situation.
I) The college world has REALLY changed since we all went. It's no small feat now to get into many of the schools we attended. Study the stats on College Confidential to get atrue handle of the situation before you apply and check with Naviance. Your VA high school will not help you inthe application process if you don't have the minimum stats. THat's why the acceptance rates that people claim show that UVA, W&M and some of theother VA schools are easy to get into is not accurate. You can't compare the application class of UVA to other privates across the nation. The public high school counselors will laugh atyou if you ask them to help get your B student into UVA and W&M and will steer you to another Virginia school. They will not work to get good letters of recommendation. They will not signal to UVA or W&M your child's rank.
I) Re rank. Now you will sqwak and say that Langley doesn't rank. But it does. Those 60 kids or more who make valedictorian (GPA over 4.0) are the only ones they will help get into UVA or W&M. Also, if you compete for the Jefferson Scholarship, the nominating school must rank the nominated student. Even if the school doens't rank, the principal must indicate a rank on the application form which i have filled out.
J) I have no answer. Many counties in VA send no student or one to UVA. FCPS sends about 600, but when you see those 600 spread out across all the public and private schools plus VA boarding school and Maryland private and DC private but VA residents, you see just how difficult it is to get in by sheer population numbers. One Congressman introduced a bill into the VA assembly which would have allotted 100 more seats to NOVA but I don't think it passed. Those 100 would have had a negligble impact, anyhow, on say Langley of Mclean. UVA does its best to make it fair but it also wants the top flight VA students and OOS and international students.
G) Meanwhile, as UVA cuts down on the no of VA seats, the U of Cal system isgoing the other direction to limit the no of OOS seats in upcoming classes to only 20% - this is in response to angry californians who are paying into a system that their students can't get into. But my professional guess is that 20% will go to top flight international students. The Chinese, in particular, have an irrational fix on UCLA and Berkeley because of proximity to mainland China.

I apologize for typos -working on small phone while on vacation Hope that is of some help.

There's so much misinformation in this post I almost don't know where to begin. For starters, it isn't impossible to get into UVA from NoVA. My kid goes to Yorktown and the admission rate is a consistent 33%. Over the past 3 years, from a school of ~1800 students, 401 applied, 134 accepted, and 76 enrolled. If you are in the top 10% of the class, you are in decent shape. Not impossible. It's not Stanford.

682 students with perfect SAT scores in last year's class had perfect SAT scores? Perfect 2400? That's total garbage.

[Anonymous]

It's like 33% from every Nova hs. It's pretty consistent. Now, your kid might have to work harder than you did to make that cut, but yeah. Approx 33%. Even if you're at Stuart. It's the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A) taxpayers are no longer paying for UVA - it has been self-funding for about a decade now.
B) It is almost impossible to get in from NOVA now. The TJ figures are an anomaly because of the self-selecting that has already occurred just to get into TJ. Langley and McLean (with 2000 students) might sent 12 to 15 each. The other NOVA positions have to be spread amongst all the other NOVA highschools (33 in FCPS alone) plus the privates AND the in-state students who are attending a private in Maryland or D.C.
C) Yes, you must be in the top 10% of your class to get in. Class of 2020 was 93.5% top 10% and class of 2021 is 94.6%. Remaining slots are out of state paying full freight, URMs, international students, first generation or other strong diversity types who bring something to the class.
D) Yes, smart parents much prefer UVAs %26K a year (now $30K a year for incoming class) to out-of=state tuition of $50K or private university or SLAC at $70-$72K. I know several students who turned down Ivies and U Cal schools because of the prohibitive cost. One didn't get into UVA so went to Berkeley but his parents are furious.
E) UVA seems to be also seeking out students with exceptional SAT and ACT scores. 682 in last year's incoming class had perfect SAT. The two students I know who got in from NOVA had perfect ACTs. The average ACT for the class of 2021 is 31-34. The average GPA is 4.26.
F) UVA seems to look for exceptionally well-rounded students and cherry picks the best off of each public and private. Check the stats on College Confidential and study the backgrounds of the "Chance Mes" who didn't get in and you will be astounded.
G) Eagle Scout seems to be well-regarded. I work inthe field and heard that Eagle Scout is an auto. in for U of Cal schools (UCLA Berkeley). That has been true in my experience The four young men I know who went to UVA in the class of 2020 were all Eagle Scouts but also had GPAs over 4.0 and perfect scores.
H) Although no one will tell you this up front, top scores on the SAT II subjectmatter tests will help your application immensely. Many schools like UVA and princeton will say "not required but recommended" but they say that because testing is expensive and they want first generation, URMS and the poor to apply. The ivies have a special program for this . . . to help the inner city and poor kids apply. That is a huge plus on your appliction if the FAFSA will support your claimed financial situation.
I) The college world has REALLY changed since we all went. It's no small feat now to get into many of the schools we attended. Study the stats on College Confidential to get atrue handle of the situation before you apply and check with Naviance. Your VA high school will not help you inthe application process if you don't have the minimum stats. THat's why the acceptance rates that people claim show that UVA, W&M and some of theother VA schools are easy to get into is not accurate. You can't compare the application class of UVA to other privates across the nation. The public high school counselors will laugh atyou if you ask them to help get your B student into UVA and W&M and will steer you to another Virginia school. They will not work to get good letters of recommendation. They will not signal to UVA or W&M your child's rank.
I) Re rank. Now you will sqwak and say that Langley doesn't rank. But it does. Those 60 kids or more who make valedictorian (GPA over 4.0) are the only ones they will help get into UVA or W&M. Also, if you compete for the Jefferson Scholarship, the nominating school must rank the nominated student. Even if the school doens't rank, the principal must indicate a rank on the application form which i have filled out.
J) I have no answer. Many counties in VA send no student or one to UVA. FCPS sends about 600, but when you see those 600 spread out across all the public and private schools plus VA boarding school and Maryland private and DC private but VA residents, you see just how difficult it is to get in by sheer population numbers. One Congressman introduced a bill into the VA assembly which would have allotted 100 more seats to NOVA but I don't think it passed. Those 100 would have had a negligble impact, anyhow, on say Langley of Mclean. UVA does its best to make it fair but it also wants the top flight VA students and OOS and international students.
G) Meanwhile, as UVA cuts down on the no of VA seats, the U of Cal system isgoing the other direction to limit the no of OOS seats in upcoming classes to only 20% - this is in response to angry californians who are paying into a system that their students can't get into. But my professional guess is that 20% will go to top flight international students. The Chinese, in particular, have an irrational fix on UCLA and Berkeley because of proximity to mainland China.

I apologize for typos -working on small phone while on vacation Hope that is of some help.

This is terrifically helpful and seems to confirm the result, if not the rationale. I take issue with your item A. UVA is still substantially dependent on Commonwealth funding, and its line-items are heavily debated every session, including the last one. HB 1500, Chapter 836, line items 196 through 199 (UVA, not including medical school and other health science programs) - allocated $1.3 Billion. Health care, med school, etc. received just short of $1.7 billion.

[Anonymous]

Some interesting info on UVA Class of 2021:
https://admissionsintel.com/uva-admits-9957-for-class-of-2021/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A) taxpayers are no longer paying for UVA - it has been self-funding for about a decade now.
B) It is almost impossible to get in from NOVA now. The TJ figures are an anomaly because of the self-selecting that has already occurred just to get into TJ. Langley and McLean (with 2000 students) might sent 12 to 15 each. The other NOVA positions have to be spread amongst all the other NOVA highschools (33 in FCPS alone) plus the privates AND the in-state students who are attending a private in Maryland or D.C.
C) Yes, you must be in the top 10% of your class to get in. Class of 2020 was 93.5% top 10% and class of 2021 is 94.6%. Remaining slots are out of state paying full freight, URMs, international students, first generation or other strong diversity types who bring something to the class.
D) Yes, smart parents much prefer UVAs %26K a year (now $30K a year for incoming class) to out-of=state tuition of $50K or private university or SLAC at $70-$72K. I know several students who turned down Ivies and U Cal schools because of the prohibitive cost. One didn't get into UVA so went to Berkeley but his parents are furious.
E) UVA seems to be also seeking out students with exceptional SAT and ACT scores. 682 in last year's incoming class had perfect SAT. The two students I know who got in from NOVA had perfect ACTs. The average ACT for the class of 2021 is 31-34. The average GPA is 4.26.
F) UVA seems to look for exceptionally well-rounded students and cherry picks the best off of each public and private. Check the stats on College Confidential and study the backgrounds of the "Chance Mes" who didn't get in and you will be astounded.
G) Eagle Scout seems to be well-regarded. I work inthe field and heard that Eagle Scout is an auto. in for U of Cal schools (UCLA Berkeley). That has been true in my experience The four young men I know who went to UVA in the class of 2020 were all Eagle Scouts but also had GPAs over 4.0 and perfect scores.
H) Although no one will tell you this up front, top scores on the SAT II subjectmatter tests will help your application immensely. Many schools like UVA and princeton will say "not required but recommended" but they say that because testing is expensive and they want first generation, URMS and the poor to apply. The ivies have a special program for this . . . to help the inner city and poor kids apply. That is a huge plus on your appliction if the FAFSA will support your claimed financial situation.
I) The college world has REALLY changed since we all went. It's no small feat now to get into many of the schools we attended. Study the stats on College Confidential to get atrue handle of the situation before you apply and check with Naviance. Your VA high school will not help you inthe application process if you don't have the minimum stats. THat's why the acceptance rates that people claim show that UVA, W&M and some of theother VA schools are easy to get into is not accurate. You can't compare the application class of UVA to other privates across the nation. The public high school counselors will laugh atyou if you ask them to help get your B student into UVA and W&M and will steer you to another Virginia school. They will not work to get good letters of recommendation. They will not signal to UVA or W&M your child's rank.
I) Re rank. Now you will sqwak and say that Langley doesn't rank. But it does. Those 60 kids or more who make valedictorian (GPA over 4.0) are the only ones they will help get into UVA or W&M. Also, if you compete for the Jefferson Scholarship, the nominating school must rank the nominated student. Even if the school doens't rank, the principal must indicate a rank on the application form which i have filled out.
J) I have no answer. Many counties in VA send no student or one to UVA. FCPS sends about 600, but when you see those 600 spread out across all the public and private schools plus VA boarding school and Maryland private and DC private but VA residents, you see just how difficult it is to get in by sheer population numbers. One Congressman introduced a bill into the VA assembly which would have allotted 100 more seats to NOVA but I don't think it passed. Those 100 would have had a negligble impact, anyhow, on say Langley of Mclean. UVA does its best to make it fair but it also wants the top flight VA students and OOS and international students.
G) Meanwhile, as UVA cuts down on the no of VA seats, the U of Cal system isgoing the other direction to limit the no of OOS seats in upcoming classes to only 20% - this is in response to angry californians who are paying into a system that their students can't get into. But my professional guess is that 20% will go to top flight international students. The Chinese, in particular, have an irrational fix on UCLA and Berkeley because of proximity to mainland China.

I apologize for typos -working on small phone while on vacation Hope that is of some help.

In recent years, McLean has routinely sent 30-35 kids to UVA every year, and more were admitted and ended up at other schools. I don't have access to the Naviance data any longer, but the assertion that it might only send 12-15 kids per year is flat-out wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A) taxpayers are no longer paying for UVA - it has been self-funding for about a decade now.
B) It is almost impossible to get in from NOVA now. The TJ figures are an anomaly because of the self-selecting that has already occurred just to get into TJ. Langley and McLean (with 2000 students) might sent 12 to 15 each. The other NOVA positions have to be spread amongst all the other NOVA highschools (33 in FCPS alone) plus the privates AND the in-state students who are attending a private in Maryland or D.C.
C) Yes, you must be in the top 10% of your class to get in. Class of 2020 was 93.5% top 10% and class of 2021 is 94.6%. Remaining slots are out of state paying full freight, URMs, international students, first generation or other strong diversity types who bring something to the class.
D) Yes, smart parents much prefer UVAs %26K a year (now $30K a year for incoming class) to out-of=state tuition of $50K or private university or SLAC at $70-$72K. I know several students who turned down Ivies and U Cal schools because of the prohibitive cost. One didn't get into UVA so went to Berkeley but his parents are furious.
E) UVA seems to be also seeking out students with exceptional SAT and ACT scores. 682 in last year's incoming class had perfect SAT. The two students I know who got in from NOVA had perfect ACTs. The average ACT for the class of 2021 is 31-34. The average GPA is 4.26.
F) UVA seems to look for exceptionally well-rounded students and cherry picks the best off of each public and private. Check the stats on College Confidential and study the backgrounds of the "Chance Mes" who didn't get in and you will be astounded.
G) Eagle Scout seems to be well-regarded. I work inthe field and heard that Eagle Scout is an auto. in for U of Cal schools (UCLA Berkeley). That has been true in my experience The four young men I know who went to UVA in the class of 2020 were all Eagle Scouts but also had GPAs over 4.0 and perfect scores.
H) Although no one will tell you this up front, top scores on the SAT II subjectmatter tests will help your application immensely. Many schools like UVA and princeton will say "not required but recommended" but they say that because testing is expensive and they want first generation, URMS and the poor to apply. The ivies have a special program for this . . . to help the inner city and poor kids apply. That is a huge plus on your appliction if the FAFSA will support your claimed financial situation.
I) The college world has REALLY changed since we all went. It's no small feat now to get into many of the schools we attended. Study the stats on College Confidential to get atrue handle of the situation before you apply and check with Naviance. Your VA high school will not help you inthe application process if you don't have the minimum stats. THat's why the acceptance rates that people claim show that UVA, W&M and some of theother VA schools are easy to get into is not accurate. You can't compare the application class of UVA to other privates across the nation. The public high school counselors will laugh atyou if you ask them to help get your B student into UVA and W&M and will steer you to another Virginia school. They will not work to get good letters of recommendation. They will not signal to UVA or W&M your child's rank.
I) Re rank. Now you will sqwak and say that Langley doesn't rank. But it does. Those 60 kids or more who make valedictorian (GPA over 4.0) are the only ones they will help get into UVA or W&M. Also, if you compete for the Jefferson Scholarship, the nominating school must rank the nominated student. Even if the school doens't rank, the principal must indicate a rank on the application form which i have filled out.
J) I have no answer. Many counties in VA send no student or one to UVA. FCPS sends about 600, but when you see those 600 spread out across all the public and private schools plus VA boarding school and Maryland private and DC private but VA residents, you see just how difficult it is to get in by sheer population numbers. One Congressman introduced a bill into the VA assembly which would have allotted 100 more seats to NOVA but I don't think it passed. Those 100 would have had a negligble impact, anyhow, on say Langley of Mclean. UVA does its best to make it fair but it also wants the top flight VA students and OOS and international students.
G) Meanwhile, as UVA cuts down on the no of VA seats, the U of Cal system isgoing the other direction to limit the no of OOS seats in upcoming classes to only 20% - this is in response to angry californians who are paying into a system that their students can't get into. But my professional guess is that 20% will go to top flight international students. The Chinese, in particular, have an irrational fix on UCLA and Berkeley because of proximity to mainland China.

I apologize for typos -working on small phone while on vacation Hope that is of some help.

Re your item G: UVA is not cutting down its number of seats to VA residents. By law it may only admit a third of its class from out of state.

- a NOVA mom with 2 currently attending UVA.