Gov. Youngkin issues statement after DOJ files lawsuit over noncitizen voting in Va.

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Anonymous wrote:What are "suspected" non-citizens? What level of proof do they have to have to remove the names?

I’m going to go with a big old (D) near their name. This is like when hackers probe a system to see what they can get away with. And the John Roberts Rubber Stamp for Fascists says Republicans can get away with anything.

Virginia doesn’t register by party.

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Anonymous wrote:What are "suspected" non-citizens? What level of proof do they have to have to remove the names?

I’m going to go with a big old (D) near their name. This is like when hackers probe a system to see what they can get away with. And the John Roberts Rubber Stamp for Fascists says Republicans can get away with anything.

Virginia doesn’t register by party.

Sure republicans are going after democrats. Nothing the republicans do is unbiased or equitable.

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Anonymous wrote:The facts of this are these were self identified non citizens from DMV and you were notified and given 14 days to prove a mistake. What in the issue here! Cannot believe if all the things going on that this is something people want to fight about. If you are not a US citizen you should not be voting. If there was a mistake on you checking wrong box then this is easily fixed.

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Anonymous wrote:The facts of this are these were self identified non citizens from DMV and you were notified and given 14 days to prove a mistake. What in the issue here! Cannot believe if all the things going on that this is something people want to fight about. If you are not a US citizen you should not be voting. If there was a mistake on you checking wrong box then this is easily fixed.

Except when the plaintiffs got the list, they found lots of people who were in fact citizens and who didn’t get any notice.

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Anonymous wrote:Good. I’m glad sanity prevailed.

Totally predicted earlier in this thread and yes, a sign of court sanity.

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Anonymous wrote:This is crazy because the law is very clear: no messing with voter rolls within 90 days of a federal election. The state has 640 days between elections to clean up the rolls.

Basically, the SC just invalidated a very straight forward law. By fiat.

Also, I'm worried that this opens the floodgates to other states tossing 10's of thousands off the voter rolls between now and Election Day.

Early vote NOW!

That’s not what the law says though, you are able to amend the voter rolls in an individualized process.

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Anonymous wrote:The 90 day limit doesn't apply, as it is not a systematic removal of voters. It is removal of people not eligible to vote, never eligible to vote. They are not 'voters'.

JFC this is a stupid argument. The limit is there exactly because there are lots of ways to make a mistake and kick someone off who is a citizen. People have talked on this thread about several ways that can happen.

But here’s my deal— we let Youngkin do this and if he makes any mistakes— kicks any citizens off— then he resigns immediately and so does everyone else who participated in this process. Maybe make him pay a $1000 fine to each citizen kicked off too.

Honestly you need to keep up with the news, it’s obvious from your post that you haven’t been following this case, what the legal arguments have been and who is on the list.

Actually I have been and I saw that Youngkin made this argument and it’s stupid for exactly the reason I said.

Saying Youngkin is not barred from kicking people off the registered voter list because they had no right to register assumes the exact issue in question. And because there is some doubt, Congress said states should leave a buffer before election day to sort through the times they did it correctly and the times they screwed up.

Here is another article about a voter who got kicked off by one of these purges despite being a citizen (in this case she is Trump voter who is mad that they kicked her off even though she has “the whitest sounding name possible”)

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/10/29/texas-noncitizen-voter-roll-removal-mary-howard-elley

If you had been keeping up with this story as you had claimed, you would have known that indeed valid citizens were caught up in this. The question was how to proceed given their lack of response to the 14 day resolution period.

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Anonymous wrote:Good. I’m glad sanity prevailed.

Totally predicted earlier in this thread and yes, a sign of court sanity.

No, it’s a sign of corruption and lawlessness on the side of the GOP.

Pssst. What John Roberts and the rest of the curds who lied under oath just did falls under both “rampant cronyism and corruption” and “fraudulent elections.” Youngkin broke the law in doing this and they’re happy to break their usual protocols to make sure that those legal and registered voters don’t get to vote.

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Anonymous wrote:I am guessing they are "inadvertently" removing citizens too. It happened to me in 2013, the last time we had a Republican governor.

That's the game plan. Removing voters benefits Repubs.

Removing illegal voters benefits everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:The facts of this are these were self identified non citizens from DMV and you were notified and given 14 days to prove a mistake. What in the issue here! Cannot believe if all the things going on that this is something people want to fight about. If you are not a US citizen you should not be voting. If there was a mistake on you checking wrong box then this is easily fixed.

Explain how easy this will be fixed. Just a phone call?

The original judge in this case wanted it fixed with letters by mail.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is crazy because the law is very clear: no messing with voter rolls within 90 days of a federal election. The state has 640 days between elections to clean up the rolls.

Basically, the SC just invalidated a very straight forward law. By fiat.

Also, I'm worried that this opens the floodgates to other states tossing 10's of thousands off the voter rolls between now and Election Day.

Early vote NOW!

whats even crazier is that you don't need photo id to vote in Virginia, it says the following, a fricking utility bill lol which doesn't validate citizenship, so imagine if someone illegally is registered they could vote.

Accepted Forms of ID for Voting:

Voter Confirmation Documents: Proof of Citizenship Required: NO. Voter confirmation documents are issued upon registration, and proof of citizenship is generally only checked at the time of initial registration (not for every voter action).

Valid Virginia Driver's License: Proof of Citizenship Required: NO. Virginia driver’s licenses do not typically require proof of citizenship—just proof of residency in the state.

Valid United States Passport: Proof of Citizenship Required: YES. A U.S. passport does require proof of citizenship at the time of issuance.

Other Government-Issued ID by the Commonwealth of Virginia or the United States (excluding Driver Privilege Cards and Identification Privilege Cards): Proof of Citizenship Required: NO. Most other state-issued or U.S. government IDs, aside from passports, do not require proof of citizenship—only proof of residency or legal presence is needed.

Valid Student ID Card from Higher Education Institutions or Private Schools in Virginia: Proof of Citizenship Required: NO. Student IDs are issued by educational institutions and do not verify citizenship.

Valid Student ID Card with Photo from Higher Education Institutions in Other U.S. States or Territories: Proof of Citizenship Required: NO. Out-of-state student IDs do not require proof of citizenship for issuance.

Valid Employee ID Card with Photo from the Voter’s Employer: Proof of Citizenship Required: NO. Employee IDs are issued by employers to confirm employment and do not require proof of citizenship.

A Copy of a Current Utility Bill, Bank Statement, Government Check, Paycheck, or Other Government Document with Voter's Name and Address: Proof of Citizenship Required: NO. These documents serve as proof of residence or identity but do not verify citizenship.

If an individual is already registered to vote, these forms of ID simply validate their registration on election day; they do not serve as proof of citizenship. Therefore, someone could validate their registration without needing to prove citizenship if they were previously registered through valid or possibly erroneous means. This setup focuses on confirming the identity of registered voters rather than verifying their citizenship status at the polls.

Ultimately, this means that the focus on election day is to ensure registered voters are who they say they are, not to re-confirm their eligibility based on citizenship.

There is no proof citizenship ID other than a US passport. If you want to advocate for a free national ID card available only to citizens, be my guest.

No we can just use passports.

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Anonymous wrote:The facts of this are these were self identified non citizens from DMV and you were notified and given 14 days to prove a mistake. What in the issue here! Cannot believe if all the things going on that this is something people want to fight about. If you are not a US citizen you should not be voting. If there was a mistake on you checking wrong box then this is easily fixed.

Because there were a bunch of legal citizens on the list and now they are screwed.

They should have had updated addresses on file and responded in the 14 days with their evidence that they gained citizenship. Voters have a responsibility here, they are the ones who checked that they weren’t eligible and need to update it.

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Anonymous wrote:The facts of this are these were self identified non citizens from DMV and you were notified and given 14 days to prove a mistake. What in the issue here! Cannot believe if all the things going on that this is something people want to fight about. If you are not a US citizen you should not be voting. If there was a mistake on you checking wrong box then this is easily fixed.

Describe how this would be fixed and how easy that would be. Would an email do it?

They were asked in the letter to provide proof of citizenship to the registrar’s office within 14 days. They didn’t.

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Anonymous wrote:The facts of this are these were self identified non citizens from DMV and you were notified and given 14 days to prove a mistake. What in the issue here! Cannot believe if all the things going on that this is something people want to fight about. If you are not a US citizen you should not be voting. If there was a mistake on you checking wrong box then this is easily fixed.

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The issue here is that it was a stunt that violates the law.

You GOP cheaters go on and on about crime and the law and blah blah blah but you don't care about actually obeying the laws when it suits you.

The GOP has been crying about fraud and undermining confidence in US elections that were, in fact, fair and secure, so that *they can commit fraud* in this one. See this stunt and other last minute attempts to change laws and processes. Trump says the Dems can't win unless they cheat to lay the groundwork so that he can cheat. I can't believe how many people fall for this shit.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The facts of this are these were self identified non citizens from DMV and you were notified and given 14 days to prove a mistake. What in the issue here! Cannot believe if all the things going on that this is something people want to fight about. If you are not a US citizen you should not be voting. If there was a mistake on you checking wrong box then this is easily fixed.

Describe how this would be fixed and how easy that would be. Would an email do it?

They were asked in the letter to provide proof of citizenship to the registrar’s office within 14 days. They didn’t.

Some letters were sent to the wrong addresses. Some letters arrived at homes AFTER the 14 day deadline to respond.

It's all in the NPR article.