To people frustrated with Biden who say they won’t vote in 2024

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You know, I remember quite a few Bernie female stans who didn't want to vote for Hillary in 2016 because of their conscience. They are very upset now about losing their right to bodily autonomy.

Vote for whomever you want, but be prepared to deal with the consequences, because either Biden or Trump will be president. And don't whine afterwards.

Tired of dealing with privileged narcissists.

You’re right there’s a lesson here but it isn’t for the people who voted for Bernie. The lesson is for the Democratic Party:
No One Owes You Votes. It is simply not enough to not be Donald Trump. Hilary Clinton proved that in 2016 and yet here everyone is in 2023 with a year left to make different choices all ready to blame, not the candidate, but the voters they’re failing to reach.

Work harder. And look at 2016 as a cautionary tale.

With all that's going on in the world right now, I think most people are willing to jump on board with a movement towards a presidential candidate that is actually fit to serve from 2025 through 2029. They are out there. We must demand it.

Or...and get this...you could make them want to vote for you rather than demanding they vote for you by offering them policies they want! And generally not being hostile to these people you want support from.

But alas. The Democrats still haven't learned. They think they can treat progressives like shit then stomp and yell and bully them into voting blue because Trump.

We hear this Every. Four. Years. Vote blue no matter who! Democracy is at stake. Enough is enough. I'm not voting for you! I do not agree with your policies. And you do not want me in your party.

Most of the Democrats in office are progressive and Democrats govern center-left when they have legislative power, but right now, they can’t do much because the House is controlled by Republicans due to people who think like you who didn’t show up in 2022 House elections in New York and California and a few other states.

Also, you views do not even appear to be truly progressive. You may need to look up the definition.

Interesting. Pray tell, what are my views?

Most Democrats are NOT progressive. They are corporate liberals through and through. The US does not have actual leftists represented in government. You guys think Bernie is waaaay out there and he's like the mildest flavor of leftist there is.

Your party is not my party, and I'm done giving you my vote in the interest of choosing the lesser evil. It's all evil.

Grow up. You sound like a sophomore taking your first real world course and all you can process are very simple good/evil, black/white, heroes/villains as if everything is supposed to be a Disney fairy tale.

No one is in need as much growth as immediate PP and similar fools who have yet to address their world’s failures.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You know, I remember quite a few Bernie female stans who didn't want to vote for Hillary in 2016 because of their conscience. They are very upset now about losing their right to bodily autonomy.

Vote for whomever you want, but be prepared to deal with the consequences, because either Biden or Trump will be president. And don't whine afterwards.

Tired of dealing with privileged narcissists.

You’re right there’s a lesson here but it isn’t for the people who voted for Bernie. The lesson is for the Democratic Party:
No One Owes You Votes. It is simply not enough to not be Donald Trump. Hilary Clinton proved that in 2016 and yet here everyone is in 2023 with a year left to make different choices all ready to blame, not the candidate, but the voters they’re failing to reach.

Work harder. And look at 2016 as a cautionary tale.

With all that's going on in the world right now, I think most people are willing to jump on board with a movement towards a presidential candidate that is actually fit to serve from 2025 through 2029. They are out there. We must demand it.

Or...and get this...you could make them want to vote for you rather than demanding they vote for you by offering them policies they want! And generally not being hostile to these people you want support from.

But alas. The Democrats still haven't learned. They think they can treat progressives like shit then stomp and yell and bully them into voting blue because Trump.

We hear this Every. Four. Years. Vote blue no matter who! Democracy is at stake. Enough is enough. I'm not voting for you! I do not agree with your policies. And you do not want me in your party.

Most of the Democrats in office are progressive and Democrats govern center-left when they have legislative power, but right now, they can’t do much because the House is controlled by Republicans due to people who think like you who didn’t show up in 2022 House elections in New York and California and a few other states.

Also, you views do not even appear to be truly progressive. You may need to look up the definition.

Interesting. Pray tell, what are my views?

Most Democrats are NOT progressive. They are corporate liberals through and through. The US does not have actual leftists represented in government. You guys think Bernie is waaaay out there and he's like the mildest flavor of leftist there is.

Your party is not my party, and I'm done giving you my vote in the interest of choosing the lesser evil. It's all evil.

New poster here. I am curious what your views are. I am similarly homeless politically. Wonder if there is any overlap.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You know, I remember quite a few Bernie female stans who didn't want to vote for Hillary in 2016 because of their conscience. They are very upset now about losing their right to bodily autonomy.

Vote for whomever you want, but be prepared to deal with the consequences, because either Biden or Trump will be president. And don't whine afterwards.

Tired of dealing with privileged narcissists.

You’re right there’s a lesson here but it isn’t for the people who voted for Bernie. The lesson is for the Democratic Party:
No One Owes You Votes. It is simply not enough to not be Donald Trump. Hilary Clinton proved that in 2016 and yet here everyone is in 2023 with a year left to make different choices all ready to blame, not the candidate, but the voters they’re failing to reach.

Work harder. And look at 2016 as a cautionary tale.

With all that's going on in the world right now, I think most people are willing to jump on board with a movement towards a presidential candidate that is actually fit to serve from 2025 through 2029. They are out there. We must demand it.

Or...and get this...you could make them want to vote for you rather than demanding they vote for you by offering them policies they want! And generally not being hostile to these people you want support from.

But alas. The Democrats still haven't learned. They think they can treat progressives like shit then stomp and yell and bully them into voting blue because Trump.

We hear this Every. Four. Years. Vote blue no matter who! Democracy is at stake. Enough is enough. I'm not voting for you! I do not agree with your policies. And you do not want me in your party.

Most of the Democrats in office are progressive and Democrats govern center-left when they have legislative power, but right now, they can’t do much because the House is controlled by Republicans due to people who think like you who didn’t show up in 2022 House elections in New York and California and a few other states.

Also, you views do not even appear to be truly progressive. You may need to look up the definition.

Interesting. Pray tell, what are my views?

Most Democrats are NOT progressive. They are corporate liberals through and through. The US does not have actual leftists represented in government. You guys think Bernie is waaaay out there and he's like the mildest flavor of leftist there is.

Your party is not my party, and I'm done giving you my vote in the interest of choosing the lesser evil. It's all evil.

New poster here. I am curious what your views are. I am similarly homeless politically. Wonder if there is any overlap.

Altogether NP, it’s worth noting that this set of ‘lost’ people is young and growing while the mindless “blue no matter who” crowd are old and dying.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not voting. I’m totally disillusioned with Biden and I do not want to support him. I’ll probably still vote, because I cherish our right to vote. But I’ll either vote for Kennedy or I’ll write in someone else. But I’m done with Biden.

I don’t think you will find your dream pro-Hamas candidate.

Yeah this is definitely how you will build consensus around your preferred candidate— tell people who question his policies that they’re supporting terrorism. Isn’t that the Bush ‘04 playbook?

You are delusional if you don’t see that the U.S course is the only hope for a plausible peaceful solution. You need to be told so maybe you will stop saying ridiculous things.

Yeah peace would have been completely out of reach and unimaginable if the President spent some effort on the American children now trapped in Gaza. Now peace is just around the corner.

You are a dumbass. We have diplomats engaged in every aspect of this, especially getting hostages out, but your Hamas heroes won’t negotiate away the children they are using as human shields.

We are the good guys who always negotiate the end of hostilities in the Middle East and create peace for a few years until Hamas or Hezbollah or some other terrorist group or rogue nation violates the deal by slaughtering Israeli civilians.

This shouldn’t need to be repeated but here goes: disagreeing with the presidents foreign policy decision is not the same as sympathizing with terrorism/terrorists. It’s a very Godwin-esque way to argue.

The President could have called Abood Okal and Wafaa Abuzayda’s family, for example, to talk about all his work getting people out. He could say on TV that it is completely unacceptable for an American one year old to be in harms way. Do you think Senator Warren is sympathizing with Hamas by wanting the government to do more? Senator Shaheen? Markey?

Do you want Biden reelected?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You know, I remember quite a few Bernie female stans who didn't want to vote for Hillary in 2016 because of their conscience. They are very upset now about losing their right to bodily autonomy.

Vote for whomever you want, but be prepared to deal with the consequences, because either Biden or Trump will be president. And don't whine afterwards.

Tired of dealing with privileged narcissists.

You’re right there’s a lesson here but it isn’t for the people who voted for Bernie. The lesson is for the Democratic Party:
No One Owes You Votes. It is simply not enough to not be Donald Trump. Hilary Clinton proved that in 2016 and yet here everyone is in 2023 with a year left to make different choices all ready to blame, not the candidate, but the voters they’re failing to reach.

Work harder. And look at 2016 as a cautionary tale.

With all that's going on in the world right now, I think most people are willing to jump on board with a movement towards a presidential candidate that is actually fit to serve from 2025 through 2029. They are out there. We must demand it.

Or...and get this...you could make them want to vote for you rather than demanding they vote for you by offering them policies they want! And generally not being hostile to these people you want support from.

But alas. The Democrats still haven't learned. They think they can treat progressives like shit then stomp and yell and bully them into voting blue because Trump.

We hear this Every. Four. Years. Vote blue no matter who! Democracy is at stake. Enough is enough. I'm not voting for you! I do not agree with your policies. And you do not want me in your party.

DP.

I’m a left-leaning independent.

If the Dems move any further left, I’ll stay home.

Quite the conundrum for the party, I’d say.

What do you suggest?

Don't know. Sounds like we don't belong in the same party. But the Dems are a center right party these days. You used to be what we called a Republican. They aren't left of anything. You can have 'em.

If we don't figure something out together, neither of us will like the results.

[Anonymous]

Great so instead the crazies will hand us to Russia Tump said last night he will pull us from NATO

He will have Nuclear codes .

If you are not petrified you should be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not voting. I’m totally disillusioned with Biden and I do not want to support him. I’ll probably still vote, because I cherish our right to vote. But I’ll either vote for Kennedy or I’ll write in someone else. But I’m done with Biden.

I don’t think you will find your dream pro-Hamas candidate.

Yeah this is definitely how you will build consensus around your preferred candidate— tell people who question his policies that they’re supporting terrorism. Isn’t that the Bush ‘04 playbook?

You are delusional if you don’t see that the U.S course is the only hope for a plausible peaceful solution. You need to be told so maybe you will stop saying ridiculous things.

Yeah peace would have been completely out of reach and unimaginable if the President spent some effort on the American children now trapped in Gaza. Now peace is just around the corner.

You are a dumbass. We have diplomats engaged in every aspect of this, especially getting hostages out, but your Hamas heroes won’t negotiate away the children they are using as human shields.

We are the good guys who always negotiate the end of hostilities in the Middle East and create peace for a few years until Hamas or Hezbollah or some other terrorist group or rogue nation violates the deal by slaughtering Israeli civilians.

This shouldn’t need to be repeated but here goes: disagreeing with the presidents foreign policy decision is not the same as sympathizing with terrorism/terrorists. It’s a very Godwin-esque way to argue.

The President could have called Abood Okal and Wafaa Abuzayda’s family, for example, to talk about all his work getting people out. He could say on TV that it is completely unacceptable for an American one year old to be in harms way. Do you think Senator Warren is sympathizing with Hamas by wanting the government to do more? Senator Shaheen? Markey?

Do you want Biden reelected?

Biden is so despicable that he disinvited a Palestinian American who has lost multiple family members in Gaza, on the chance that he might have to look the man in the eye.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You know, I remember quite a few Bernie female stans who didn't want to vote for Hillary in 2016 because of their conscience. They are very upset now about losing their right to bodily autonomy.

Vote for whomever you want, but be prepared to deal with the consequences, because either Biden or Trump will be president. And don't whine afterwards.

Tired of dealing with privileged narcissists.

You’re right there’s a lesson here but it isn’t for the people who voted for Bernie. The lesson is for the Democratic Party:
No One Owes You Votes. It is simply not enough to not be Donald Trump. Hilary Clinton proved that in 2016 and yet here everyone is in 2023 with a year left to make different choices all ready to blame, not the candidate, but the voters they’re failing to reach.

Work harder. And look at 2016 as a cautionary tale.

With all that's going on in the world right now, I think most people are willing to jump on board with a movement towards a presidential candidate that is actually fit to serve from 2025 through 2029. They are out there. We must demand it.

Or...and get this...you could make them want to vote for you rather than demanding they vote for you by offering them policies they want! And generally not being hostile to these people you want support from.

But alas. The Democrats still haven't learned. They think they can treat progressives like shit then stomp and yell and bully them into voting blue because Trump.

We hear this Every. Four. Years. Vote blue no matter who! Democracy is at stake. Enough is enough. I'm not voting for you! I do not agree with your policies. And you do not want me in your party.

Most of the Democrats in office are progressive and Democrats govern center-left when they have legislative power, but right now, they can’t do much because the House is controlled by Republicans due to people who think like you who didn’t show up in 2022 House elections in New York and California and a few other states.

Also, you views do not even appear to be truly progressive. You may need to look up the definition.

Interesting. Pray tell, what are my views?

Most Democrats are NOT progressive. They are corporate liberals through and through. The US does not have actual leftists represented in government. You guys think Bernie is waaaay out there and he's like the mildest flavor of leftist there is.

Your party is not my party, and I'm done giving you my vote in the interest of choosing the lesser evil. It's all evil.

New poster here. I am curious what your views are. I am similarly homeless politically. Wonder if there is any overlap.

Altogether NP, it’s worth noting that this set of ‘lost’ people is young and growing while the mindless “blue no matter who” crowd are old and dying.

I’m not “blue no matter who” - but I don’t think anyone should hold their breath about the republicans putting forth a non-wackadoo candidate any time soon. They chased away all of the normal republicans for being too logical.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you live in a state that was at all a close Biden victory, just know that you are making it more likely that Trump will win again.

Be frustrated all you want, but ask yourself whether it’s worth a second Trump term.

Yes, well worth it!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Great so instead the crazies will hand us to Russia Tump said last night he will pull us from NATO

He will have Nuclear codes .

If you are not petrified you should be.

We heard the same concerns four years ago, yet the world was much safer during Trump's presidency.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you live in a state that was at all a close Biden victory, just know that you are making it more likely that Trump will win again.

Be frustrated all you want, but ask yourself whether it’s worth a second Trump term.

Yes, well worth it!

I think a lot of Democrats now coming to the same conclusion. If four years ago Trump was viewed as an evil, now he appears to be less of two evils.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you live in a state that was at all a close Biden victory, just know that you are making it more likely that Trump will win again.

Be frustrated all you want, but ask yourself whether it’s worth a second Trump term.

Yes, well worth it!

There are many of us who see clearly that the difference between Biden and Trump is much less than the MSNBC/NPR/etc crowds imagined it to be. Dealing our big problems can’t start soon enough, but won’t come until the Democrats upgrade themselves enough to attract bigger majorities.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Great so instead the crazies will hand us to Russia Tump said last night he will pull us from NATO

He will have Nuclear codes .

If you are not petrified you should be.

We heard the same concerns four years ago, yet the world was much safer during Trump's presidency.

Were you awake in 2020?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you live in a state that was at all a close Biden victory, just know that you are making it more likely that Trump will win again.

Be frustrated all you want, but ask yourself whether it’s worth a second Trump term.

Yes, well worth it!

I think a lot of Democrats now coming to the same conclusion. If four years ago Trump was viewed as an evil, now he appears to be less of two evils.

He doesn’t recognize free and fair elections. I’m not at all convinced he will leave office after his next term is complete.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Great so instead the crazies will hand us to Russia Tump said last night he will pull us from NATO

He will have Nuclear codes .

If you are not petrified you should be.

That’s what the Republicans on this thread want to have happen. That’s the goal.

Any “Democrat” who despises the direction the country is headed but won’t acknowledge that the GOP will damage the country irretrievably isn’t a Democrat. On this board, anyway, they’re likely to be Republicans, happy to spread the idea that it’s the Democrats that are disaffected.