US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:I have sat in admissions rooms when decisions are being made.

We can now all sit in that same room, never mention race, never see race box-checks, and practically configure the same class of admittees.

The joke's on y'all.

Pretty sick you admit to practicing discrimination.

Lawsuits will start flying if AO do what that pp says. They will line up academic merit (scores/GPAs) and activities—-they can show they were discriminating based on race very easily.

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Harvard and other tippy top schools reject plenty of white kids with perfect/near perfect test scores, stellar grades, and multiple awards. So how can a white applicant with, say, a 1600 SAT score, stellar GPA, and great ECs prove they were discriminated against because of their race when plenty of similar white applicants were also rejected? Are you suggesting that these schools will now be forced to accept all such applicants, and thus have to double or triple the size of their entering classes, to avoid losing discrimination lawsuits?

I can see Asisan population in upward pressure to like 50%

Only if low income or first Gen as that is where colleges will be increasing admissions.

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Anonymous wrote:Lets not forget this hurts Asians at colleges where they are URM. This will hurt way more asians than the small handful who will now get into Yale etc.

LOL are there any selective colleges where this is anywhere close to true?

And if it's not selective, then the delta isn't relevant.

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- Asian.

I co-sign this and I’m black.

I hate race-based affirmative action for “diversity” reasons and completely agree with Justice Thomas on how stigmatizing it is for black students at elite schools. It bothers me to no end how every one (especially on DCUM) readily dismisses conservative black voices as if we are some imaginary creatures that cannot possibly diverge from liberal stereotypes. (I’m looking at you, Biden, with your “you’re not black if you don’t vote for me” crap.)

News flash: pull up a Pew poll, even among African Americans, a majority did NOT support race-based admissions advantages for college.

I did not vote for Trump but I considered it. And I am grateful for his appointments to the Supreme Court because they’ve restored sanity to the interpretation of the Constitution.

Interesting that Thomas has not resigned the Supreme Court position that he got via a now-illegal race-based preference.

How was his selection race-based? Do you think Sotomayor’s or Jackson’s was? Do you have anything intelligent to say in response to this post? No? Great, I’m opening a bottle of champagne. Thank you, SCOTUS!

I believe PP was pointing to Thomas' college admissions being race-based preference...

And next year, the same people will be whining and griping that their DC Brad, Noah, Olivia, and Emma were still rejected notwithstanding the new admissions landscape.......

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Yeah!

- Asian.

I co-sign this and I’m black.

I hate race-based affirmative action for “diversity” reasons and completely agree with Justice Thomas on how stigmatizing it is for black students at elite schools. It bothers me to no end how every one (especially on DCUM) readily dismisses conservative black voices as if we are some imaginary creatures that cannot possibly diverge from liberal stereotypes. (I’m looking at you, Biden, with your “you’re not black if you don’t vote for me” crap.)

News flash: pull up a Pew poll, even among African Americans, a majority did NOT support race-based admissions advantages for college.

I did not vote for Trump but I considered it. And I am grateful for his appointments to the Supreme Court because they’ve restored sanity to the interpretation of the Constitution.

Black kids at good colleges will now get the credit and respect they deserve.

The same respect that a Black President gets!

The same respect that a Black person trying to buy or sell a house gets!

The same respect that a Black person driving a car or walking down the street gets!

I’m a black person who’s gotten respect doing all of these things! Thanks!

No self-respecting Black person refers to themselves as black.

Get over yourself. I don’t capitalize it because I’m not constantly trying to follow whatever late-breaking fad has been thought up to signal your membership in the liberal tribe. I also, gasp, don’t use BIPOC!

You’re not Black, troll. No one believes your poor attempt at digital blackface. Move along.

What is it that prevents you from accepting that a black person can have a different opinion than you? In what other contexts or with what other races do you deny people the possibility of thinking for themselves?

It’s not the difference of opinion that’s at issue for me; it’s the wording of your statements. There are certain “tells” that make it clear that you’re not Black (not including the lack of capitalization of the B). And no, I’m not going to reveal the tells. IYKYK.

What a tragedy to withhold this wisdom, this manual of stereotypes, from DCUM

Pretty sure Clarence Thomas would fail your test and he’s definitely black (and absolutely right about affirmative action).

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Anonymous wrote:It a great day for Asian families for sure.

not really. there are so few seats at these elite coastal colleges. the biggest state schools already don't do this (UT, UCs, UM, etc). so maybe one more asian student from UC Berkeley will go to Stanford. This is marginal at best, in aggregate it is mostly symbolic.

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Alleluia. I didn’t immigrate to a country that still openly practices racial discrimination using the name of diversify.

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Bad news : The number of Asian students admitted into these schools won't see an exponential increase.

Good news : They will have to find some other boogeyman to blame .

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Yeah!

- Asian.

I co-sign this and I’m black.

I hate race-based affirmative action for “diversity” reasons and completely agree with Justice Thomas on how stigmatizing it is for black students at elite schools. It bothers me to no end how every one (especially on DCUM) readily dismisses conservative black voices as if we are some imaginary creatures that cannot possibly diverge from liberal stereotypes. (I’m looking at you, Biden, with your “you’re not black if you don’t vote for me” crap.)

News flash: pull up a Pew poll, even among African Americans, a majority did NOT support race-based admissions advantages for college.

I did not vote for Trump but I considered it. And I am grateful for his appointments to the Supreme Court because they’ve restored sanity to the interpretation of the Constitution.

Black kids at good colleges will now get the credit and respect they deserve.

The same respect that a Black President gets!

The same respect that a Black person trying to buy or sell a house gets!

The same respect that a Black person driving a car or walking down the street gets!

I’m a black person who’s gotten respect doing all of these things! Thanks!

No self-respecting Black person refers to themselves as black.

Get over yourself. I don’t capitalize it because I’m not constantly trying to follow whatever late-breaking fad has been thought up to signal your membership in the liberal tribe. I also, gasp, don’t use BIPOC!

You’re not Black, troll. No one believes your poor attempt at digital blackface. Move along.

What is it that prevents you from accepting that a black person can have a different opinion than you? In what other contexts or with what other races do you deny people the possibility of thinking for themselves?

It’s not the difference of opinion that’s at issue for me; it’s the wording of your statements. There are certain “tells” that make it clear that you’re not Black (not including the lack of capitalization of the B). And no, I’m not going to reveal the tells. IYKYK.

The difference of opinion regarded whether or not to capitalize the letter b…

Black people do not have to conform to your stereotypical “tells” to be black. I have no idea whether or not you are black. I can say for sure that you are closed-minded.

And I can say for sure that you’re not Black, racist troll.

I am black and not a troll. Sorry your narrow mind can’t handle it.

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Anonymous wrote:Will the race box be taken off of the common app ??!?!??!!

Will alumni boxes be taken off college apps?

Why would it? Your question makes no sense.

Providing an irrelevant, unfair, and inequitable advantage....makes no sense.

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This is terrible news! Colleges are becoming cookie factories for the rich. Whoever has money and contacts to pay for an advantage get in. We all know who has the advantages. This is so unfair to Black people who have been in America for generations and have been systemically kept out of educational institutions and workforce opportunities.

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Anonymous wrote:My impression is that this decision means:

Race cannot be an objective factor in the college admissions process, but it can be a subjective factor.

It has always been subjective factor.
They can't use it anymore.

Not exactly, the court ruling doesn't shoot down that colleges cannot be influenced by the impact that race has had on an individual. Therefore, if in an essay a student can explain how racism has shaped their access, experiences, motivations, admissions officers can take that into account. Likewise if a LoR letter highlights how a student has experienced racism yet prevailed etc. that can also be used.
I've seen some college admissions officers say that this decision will likely expand admissions based on the experiences of racism resulting in an even more diverse campus. I think this will open up some of the diversity issues within the Asian American and Hispanic groups in the US too--they can make a case through essays about their experiences of racism. This may give the colleges even more leeway to create diverse classes. I guess we'll see. My guess is that large public school systems that don't use essays signficantly in admissions might become less diverse, but elite private schools might become even more diverse.

Racial discrimination is one of the social hardships among many.
Asian students experiene that too.

If the school systematically give more points to Blacks studetns racial discrimination harship, say hello to flood of lawsuits.

Nope, because the new criteria is the subjective experience of racism and how it has challenged access to academics (that the student has still succeeded against). It's a lot harder to make a case that Asian Americans experience similar levels and types of racism that challenge their academic pursuits. This decision just made it a lot harder for lawsuits against race-based admissions IMO because it relies on an interpretation of the 14th amendment to be about racism rather than race.

Poor rural white Americans will benefit most from this.

Why would they ? They were never disadvantaged in the first place .

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Yeah!

- Asian.

I co-sign this and I’m black.

I hate race-based affirmative action for “diversity” reasons and completely agree with Justice Thomas on how stigmatizing it is for black students at elite schools. It bothers me to no end how every one (especially on DCUM) readily dismisses conservative black voices as if we are some imaginary creatures that cannot possibly diverge from liberal stereotypes. (I’m looking at you, Biden, with your “you’re not black if you don’t vote for me” crap.)

News flash: pull up a Pew poll, even among African Americans, a majority did NOT support race-based admissions advantages for college.

I did not vote for Trump but I considered it. And I am grateful for his appointments to the Supreme Court because they’ve restored sanity to the interpretation of the Constitution.

Black kids at good colleges will now get the credit and respect they deserve.

The same respect that a Black President gets!

The same respect that a Black person trying to buy or sell a house gets!

The same respect that a Black person driving a car or walking down the street gets!

I’m a black person who’s gotten respect doing all of these things! Thanks!

No self-respecting Black person refers to themselves as black.

Get over yourself. I don’t capitalize it because I’m not constantly trying to follow whatever late-breaking fad has been thought up to signal your membership in the liberal tribe. I also, gasp, don’t use BIPOC!

You’re not Black, troll. No one believes your poor attempt at digital blackface. Move along.

What is it that prevents you from accepting that a black person can have a different opinion than you? In what other contexts or with what other races do you deny people the possibility of thinking for themselves?

It’s not the difference of opinion that’s at issue for me; it’s the wording of your statements. There are certain “tells” that make it clear that you’re not Black (not including the lack of capitalization of the B). And no, I’m not going to reveal the tells. IYKYK.

The difference of opinion regarded whether or not to capitalize the letter b…

Black people do not have to conform to your stereotypical “tells” to be black. I have no idea whether or not you are black. I can say for sure that you are closed-minded.

And I can say for sure that you’re not Black, racist troll.

I am black and not a troll. Sorry your narrow mind can’t handle it.

Why don't you two fools start a new thread? At this point you are both just trolling each other.

[Anonymous]

I hoped upside down world will be made right again.

[Anonymous]

Harvard doesn't seem to upset with the decision and they are highlighting the subjective aspects of decisions in their letter to the alumni community:

"The Court also ruled that colleges and universities may consider in admissions decisions “an applicant’s discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise.” We will certainly comply with the Court’s decision."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My impression is that this decision means:

Race cannot be an objective factor in the college admissions process, but it can be a subjective factor.

It has always been subjective factor.
They can't use it anymore.

Not exactly, the court ruling doesn't shoot down that colleges cannot be influenced by the impact that race has had on an individual. Therefore, if in an essay a student can explain how racism has shaped their access, experiences, motivations, admissions officers can take that into account. Likewise if a LoR letter highlights how a student has experienced racism yet prevailed etc. that can also be used.
I've seen some college admissions officers say that this decision will likely expand admissions based on the experiences of racism resulting in an even more diverse campus. I think this will open up some of the diversity issues within the Asian American and Hispanic groups in the US too--they can make a case through essays about their experiences of racism. This may give the colleges even more leeway to create diverse classes. I guess we'll see. My guess is that large public school systems that don't use essays signficantly in admissions might become less diverse, but elite private schools might become even more diverse.

Racial discrimination is one of the social hardships among many.
Asian students experiene that too.

If the school systematically give more points to Blacks studetns racial discrimination harship, say hello to flood of lawsuits.

Nope, because the new criteria is the subjective experience of racism and how it has challenged access to academics (that the student has still succeeded against). It's a lot harder to make a case that Asian Americans experience similar levels and types of racism that challenge their academic pursuits. This decision just made it a lot harder for lawsuits against race-based admissions IMO because it relies on an interpretation of the 14th amendment to be about racism rather than race.

First, AOs gave higher points to Asiasn on pretty much everything including ECs, leadership, etc. I'm sure higher points on essays.
It was at the committee level that created racist category and gave negative points to Asians.
What will the committee tell the under paid AOs now? You better be very careful.

Second, it would be equally hard to make a case for the middle class and above Blacks whining about hardship from anything including racism.
Good luck finding lots of qualified students from the hood.
I can see the graduation rate and overall quality of schools gradually going down.