US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Yay!!!!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:My impression is that this decision means:

Race cannot be an objective factor in the college admissions process, but it can be a subjective factor.

It has always been subjective factor.
They can't use it anymore.

Not exactly, the court ruling doesn't shoot down that colleges cannot be influenced by the impact that race has had on an individual. Therefore, if in an essay a student can explain how racism has shaped their access, experiences, motivations, admissions officers can take that into account. Likewise if a LoR letter highlights how a student has experienced racism yet prevailed etc. that can also be used.
I've seen some college admissions officers say that this decision will likely expand admissions based on the experiences of racism resulting in an even more diverse campus. I think this will open up some of the diversity issues within the Asian American and Hispanic groups in the US too--they can make a case through essays about their experiences of racism. This may give the colleges even more leeway to create diverse classes. I guess we'll see. My guess is that large public school systems that don't use essays signficantly in admissions might become less diverse, but elite private schools might become even more diverse.

Racial discrimination is one of the social hardships among many.
Asian students experiene that too.

If the school systematically give more points to Blacks studetns racial discrimination harship, say hello to flood of lawsuits.

Nope, because the new criteria is the subjective experience of racism and how it has challenged access to academics (that the student has still succeeded against). It's a lot harder to make a case that Asian Americans experience similar levels and types of racism that challenge their academic pursuits. This decision just made it a lot harder for lawsuits against race-based admissions IMO because it relies on an interpretation of the 14th amendment to be about racism rather than race.

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Anonymous wrote:America, F* yeah! Finally asians receive equal treatment under the law, not just "URM"

Asian poster who posted just before you. Oh no. I have no such hopes. Institutions will always find a way of discriminating against us. Before Asian students, it was Jewish students. Maybe the "personality test" has gone the way of the dodo, but criteria will always be rewritten so that universities can cherry-pick exactly who they want. And that will not include too many Asians for the foreseeable future. As you've seen, test-optional admission is here to stay, which says a lot already.

It's just that now, discrimination of Asians is not codified into law. A small step.

There seems to be a tacit assumption that wanting diversity in admissions is discrimination which sets up another assumption that admissions should be majority Asia because Asian students excelled at certain metrics. I could see feeling discrimination if colleges had few Asian students and high URM numbers, but highly competitive schools are 30%+ Asian and lag far behind with URMs.

I also think there are political people fueling this idea that universities are trying to discriminate against Asians on this thread. And some trolls too.

If you read about this decision, various federal courts affirmed the universities, and the Supreme Court affirmed using race towards diversity as one factor in just 2016. This SC has a political agenda, as does the lobbyist who brought the case. His interest is in securing privilege, not helping Asian students.

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Yeah!

- Asian.

I co-sign this and I’m black.

I hate race-based affirmative action for “diversity” reasons and completely agree with Justice Thomas on how stigmatizing it is for black students at elite schools. It bothers me to no end how every one (especially on DCUM) readily dismisses conservative black voices as if we are some imaginary creatures that cannot possibly diverge from liberal stereotypes. (I’m looking at you, Biden, with your “you’re not black if you don’t vote for me” crap.)

News flash: pull up a Pew poll, even among African Americans, a majority did NOT support race-based admissions advantages for college.

I did not vote for Trump but I considered it. And I am grateful for his appointments to the Supreme Court because they’ve restored sanity to the interpretation of the Constitution.

Black kids at good colleges will now get the credit and respect they deserve.

The same respect that a Black President gets!

The same respect that a Black person trying to buy or sell a house gets!

The same respect that a Black person driving a car or walking down the street gets!

I’m a black person who’s gotten respect doing all of these things! Thanks!

No self-respecting Black person refers to themselves as black.

Get over yourself. I don’t capitalize it because I’m not constantly trying to follow whatever late-breaking fad has been thought up to signal your membership in the liberal tribe. I also, gasp, don’t use BIPOC!

You’re not Black, troll. No one believes your poor attempt at digital blackface. Move along.

What is it that prevents you from accepting that a black person can have a different opinion than you? In what other contexts or with what other races do you deny people the possibility of thinking for themselves?

It’s not the difference of opinion that’s at issue for me; it’s the wording of your statements. There are certain “tells” that make it clear that you’re not Black (not including the lack of capitalization of the B). And no, I’m not going to reveal the tells. IYKYK.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My impression is that this decision means:

Race cannot be an objective factor in the college admissions process, but it can be a subjective factor.

It has always been subjective factor.
They can't use it anymore.

Not exactly, the court ruling doesn't shoot down that colleges cannot be influenced by the impact that race has had on an individual. Therefore, if in an essay a student can explain how racism has shaped their access, experiences, motivations, admissions officers can take that into account. Likewise if a LoR letter highlights how a student has experienced racism yet prevailed etc. that can also be used.
I've seen some college admissions officers say that this decision will likely expand admissions based on the experiences of racism resulting in an even more diverse campus. I think this will open up some of the diversity issues within the Asian American and Hispanic groups in the US too--they can make a case through essays about their experiences of racism. This may give the colleges even more leeway to create diverse classes. I guess we'll see. My guess is that large public school systems that don't use essays signficantly in admissions might become less diverse, but elite private schools might become even more diverse.

Racial discrimination is one of the social hardships among many.
Asian students experiene that too.

If the school systematically give more points to Blacks studetns racial discrimination harship, say hello to flood of lawsuits.

Nope, because the new criteria is the subjective experience of racism and how it has challenged access to academics (that the student has still succeeded against). It's a lot harder to make a case that Asian Americans experience similar levels and types of racism that challenge their academic pursuits. This decision just made it a lot harder for lawsuits against race-based admissions IMO because it relies on an interpretation of the 14th amendment to be about racism rather than race.

Poor rural white Americans will benefit most from this.

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Smart applicants will not just harp on on racism has impacted them, but perhaps discuss how their race, in in tandem with other factors specific to them, has bestowed them with some sort of unique vantage point from which the campus could benefit.

This will be easier for some versus other, and I wonder if less uncommon bi-radials will be advantaged here: read less black/white or Asian/white, and more black/asian, etc.

[Anonymous]

It's not going to change demographics that much. I'm confident that if we look at the class of 2028 class profiles at Harvard, Duke, Stanford, etc. the racial breakdowns will be largely similar to 2027. Instead of making it explicitly race, it will be about income levels and adversity that's been overcome. My guess is it will look like 28% URM -> 25% URM. Still a difference but not earth shattering.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Smart applicants will not just harp on on racism has impacted them, but perhaps discuss how their race, in in tandem with other factors specific to them, has bestowed them with some sort of unique vantage point from which the campus could benefit.

This will be easier for some versus other, and I wonder if less uncommon bi-radials will be advantaged here: read less black/white or Asian/white, and more black/asian, etc.

Brilliant white neurodiverse boys should reap the rewards here.

[Anonymous]

*bi-racials

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Anonymous wrote:It's not going to change demographics that much. I'm confident that if we look at the class of 2028 class profiles at Harvard, Duke, Stanford, etc. the racial breakdowns will be largely similar to 2027. Instead of making it explicitly race, it will be about income levels and adversity that's been overcome. My guess is it will look like 28% URM -> 25% URM. Still a difference but not earth shattering.

In tandem, the difference will likely all go to Asian Americans. So Asians might go 27% -> 30% of the incoming classes.

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Anonymous wrote:I have sat in admissions rooms when decisions are being made.

We can now all sit in that same room, never mention race, never see race box-checks, and practically configure the same class of admittees.

The joke's on y'all.

Pretty sick you admit to practicing discrimination.

Lawsuits will start flying if AO do what that pp says. They will line up academic merit (scores/GPAs) and activities—-they can show they were discriminating based on race very easily.

+1

Harvard and other tippy top schools reject plenty of white kids with perfect/near perfect test scores, stellar grades, and multiple awards. So how can a white applicant with, say, a 1600 SAT score, stellar GPA, and great ECs prove they were discriminated against because of their race when plenty of similar white applicants were also rejected? Are you suggesting that these schools will now be forced to accept all such applicants, and thus have to double or triple the size of their entering classes, to avoid losing discrimination lawsuits?

I can see Asisan population in upward pressure to like 50%

Won't happen, because of the implicit cap on STEM majors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Yeah!

- Asian.

I co-sign this and I’m black.

I hate race-based affirmative action for “diversity” reasons and completely agree with Justice Thomas on how stigmatizing it is for black students at elite schools. It bothers me to no end how every one (especially on DCUM) readily dismisses conservative black voices as if we are some imaginary creatures that cannot possibly diverge from liberal stereotypes. (I’m looking at you, Biden, with your “you’re not black if you don’t vote for me” crap.)

News flash: pull up a Pew poll, even among African Americans, a majority did NOT support race-based admissions advantages for college.

I did not vote for Trump but I considered it. And I am grateful for his appointments to the Supreme Court because they’ve restored sanity to the interpretation of the Constitution.

Black kids at good colleges will now get the credit and respect they deserve.

The same respect that a Black President gets!

The same respect that a Black person trying to buy or sell a house gets!

The same respect that a Black person driving a car or walking down the street gets!

I’m a black person who’s gotten respect doing all of these things! Thanks!

No self-respecting Black person refers to themselves as black.

Get over yourself. I don’t capitalize it because I’m not constantly trying to follow whatever late-breaking fad has been thought up to signal your membership in the liberal tribe. I also, gasp, don’t use BIPOC!

You’re not Black, troll. No one believes your poor attempt at digital blackface. Move along.

What is it that prevents you from accepting that a black person can have a different opinion than you? In what other contexts or with what other races do you deny people the possibility of thinking for themselves?

It’s not the difference of opinion that’s at issue for me; it’s the wording of your statements. There are certain “tells” that make it clear that you’re not Black (not including the lack of capitalization of the B). And no, I’m not going to reveal the tells. IYKYK.

The difference of opinion regarded whether or not to capitalize the letter b…

Black people do not have to conform to your stereotypical “tells” to be black. I have no idea whether or not you are black. I can say for sure that you are closed-minded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My impression is that this decision means:

Race cannot be an objective factor in the college admissions process, but it can be a subjective factor.

It has always been subjective factor.
They can't use it anymore.

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From Chief Justice Roberts majority opinion: "Nothing in this opinion should be construed as prohibiting universities from considering an applicant’s discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration or otherwise.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Smart applicants will not just harp on on racism has impacted them, but perhaps discuss how their race, in in tandem with other factors specific to them, has bestowed them with some sort of unique vantage point from which the campus could benefit.

This will be easier for some versus other, and I wonder if less uncommon bi-radials will be advantaged here: read less black/white or Asian/white, and more black/asian, etc.

Brilliant white neurodiverse boys should reap the rewards here.

I’m black, and white neurodiverse boys about describes my sons’s running crew.

Yeah - if you wanna do holistic admissions, you gotta be holistic with everyone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Will the race box be taken off of the common app ??!?!??!!

Will alumni boxes be taken off college apps?

Why would it? Your question makes no sense.