Sorority recruitment

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Anonymous wrote:toxic and vapid. have her find one real friend who she takes classes with. she'll be better off...

If you say so. My DD just called me and told me she has class with 2 of her sorority sisters who she didn't know well at all. This is a sorority of 200+ so no she doesn't know everyone. They both hunted her down before the class and asked her to sit with them. This is in class of 300+. My DD is still new to the sorority and loved that these older girls went out of their way to find her and sit with her, since she isn't exactly friends with them (yet). That's what being in a sorority gives you. A large community that can make your school smaller and more intimate per se. If she had "one real friend" from a class, she'd be very alone, trust me. My DS had one very best friend freshman year, his roommate. His social world was way too small and depended on that one person. They both joined a fraternity together and now he has a bunch of friends that he would never have known if he hadn't joined. It's actually very beneficial for a more introverted person to join a greek house, because it does bring people to them, rather than them always trying to find and befriend others. Some people are just more shy and need to have a smaller community to try to make friends within, rather than a 10-20K person university. Shout all you want about "paying for friends" but it works exactly the same if you join a club, an athletic team, whatever.

The ironic part is that rush weeds those people out

Yup---because someone who is that shy is likely not a star at 5 minute small talk then move to the next girl type of thing, all while knowing she is being judged on these 5 min sessions. That's not how most shy people work

then look for a house where there are people who are more like you, not the "top houses" filled with "popular girls from HS" types. They do exist you know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Okay I did a little googling.

Alabama is Exhibit 1. You can go through the process and not get a bid.

You’re not guaranteed a bid
The majority of the women participating in primary recruitment are invited to join a chapter at the end. APA says, for the last five years, more than 89 percent of the women participating in the Open House Round of Recruitment have received a bid.

But it is possible to go through recruitment and not pledge a sorority. Recruitment is a process of “mutual selection,” which means it can result in “many different outcomes.”

APA says approximately 4-8 percent of women participating in recruitment voluntarily withdraw themselves from the process during the week, choosing not to continue participating. “Each sorority at UA has their own membership criteria, oftentimes governed by their national organization, which they use to make there selections,” the website says. “As such, unfortunately, we also have women who are completely released from the recruitment process, although this number is relatively low, around 5 percent.”

DePauw University, where over 60 per cent of students are Greek is Exhibit 2.

College of Wooster is Exhibit 3. My source is The Wooster Voice, official school newspaper.

University of Georgia is Exhibit 4.

Dartmouth College--"rare but does happen"--is Exhibit 5.

Apologize for the confusion. What is the reference to Georgia regarding? That it is similar process to what was stated at Alabama?

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Anonymous wrote:The whole rush process is demented. I don't know about SLACs, but I went to UGA 30 years ago, and it was bad then. From what I hear from friend's kids, social media has not made it better/

My DC is at my alma mater (where I was in a sorority) and I can conclusively say that social media has made the entire process much worse. This school (not Bama!) has had some students with fairly high social media profiles and the number of women going out for rush and having their hearts set on the “top” houses has ballooned. What used to be just an informal, niche, rumor mill kind of “ranking” system has become very entrenched and documented on the internet/social media and now everyone thinks they’re a failure if they don’t pledge XYZ house. That thing about having a bid for everyone? Doesn’t work that way anymore. Too many girls. It’s kind of interesting — the boys seem unaffected by it and, if anything, less interested in frats. Guys are still rushing, but numbers are down, and plenty of guys are looking at the pledge process (hazing) and saying “no thanks.” Social media ruins everything.

Agree. At my DD’s school, rush for the girls was the miserable, one bid nightmare the girls fear. Run by a grad student who didn’t care about the girls’ experiences at all. They didn’t open enough spaces for the increased enrollment to intentionally force the one unpopular house to grow, counting on all those one bid girls to settle instead of quit: USING those girls, their first college experience, and their emotions to reach their goals of saving that house.

The boys on the other hand just dirty rush, no formal recruitment. So laid back.

Immature women just love to hurt other women and rush lets them pick “winners” and “losers” and continuing the hierarchy that they claim doesn’t exist but secretly love and take pride in. And all of this misery is endorsed by the school and the directors of recruitment. At this school, it got so bad that mothers were telling their girls to go to a different state U of they wanted to rush.

All schools give girls one bid.

Another my daughter was too good for the sorority she gotten into so the system is judgmental and superficial, but my kid is not post.

This is not true. At my DC’s school, there were only enough bids for about 50% of the girls who went through rush.

And my DC is a boy, so I don’t have any personal interest in it. I just heard a lot about the aftermath, and it wasn’t pretty.

I’m sure as a mom of a college aged boy you have more accurate info than a woman who handled in charge of rush at her sorority.

Pp Mom of college boy here — I was in a sorority in college, as well. Does that make me more of an “expert?”

“Everyone gets a bid” was not true when I was in a sorority, and it’s not true now at that college. In fact, because of the increase in the girls going through rush, it’s less true at this school. It may very well be true at the other person’s college, but the point is that every college handles rush differently — these are not National rules.

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It's a toxic process, where 18 year olds are told to "trust the process" of "mutual selection". What kind of people enjoy being part of a sorority where you have formal recruitment and rank a bunch of young women you only met for a few minutes? Very weird.

That kind of reminds me of the hiring process at my company!

You are hired to do a job you're qualified for, after presenting and discussing your skill set. It's nothing like being hired. Nice try though!

It's a lot like being hired. You discuss your skill set and they choose the kiss ass candidate.

[Anonymous]

My DD has almost no presence on social media, will that affect her during rush?
How important is it to have letters of rec? She will have one from a friend who is involved with one sorority on the national level. Wasn't sure if that is still done or desirable.
Probably depends on the school, from what I'm gathering here?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My DD has almost no presence on social media, will that affect her during rush?
How important is it to have letters of rec? She will have one from a friend who is involved with one sorority on the national level. Wasn't sure if that is still done or desirable.
Probably depends on the school, from what I'm gathering here?

Entirely depends on the school as far as recommendations but most are moving away from that. Social media not a big deal for most houses.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Okay I did a little googling.

Alabama is Exhibit 1. You can go through the process and not get a bid.

You’re not guaranteed a bid
The majority of the women participating in primary recruitment are invited to join a chapter at the end. APA says, for the last five years, more than 89 percent of the women participating in the Open House Round of Recruitment have received a bid.

But it is possible to go through recruitment and not pledge a sorority. Recruitment is a process of “mutual selection,” which means it can result in “many different outcomes.”

APA says approximately 4-8 percent of women participating in recruitment voluntarily withdraw themselves from the process during the week, choosing not to continue participating. “Each sorority at UA has their own membership criteria, oftentimes governed by their national organization, which they use to make there selections,” the website says. “As such, unfortunately, we also have women who are completely released from the recruitment process, although this number is relatively low, around 5 percent.”

DePauw University, where over 60 per cent of students are Greek is Exhibit 2.

College of Wooster is Exhibit 3. My source is The Wooster Voice, official school newspaper.

University of Georgia is Exhibit 4.

Dartmouth College--"rare but does happen"--is Exhibit 5.

The above you've quoted about Alabama says you can start the process (that's the open house round) and not get a bid. Then it describes kids removing themselves from the process.
Obviously girls who decide to stop rushing won't get a bid.

If I send my resume to a job opportunity and then decide not to attend the interview, obviously I'm not going to get a job offer. That's not because the company was rejecting me - I rejected them.

Right. Many young women do not get bids, under this definition, at UVA (meaning they choose to withdraw from the process).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My DD has almost no presence on social media, will that affect her during rush?
How important is it to have letters of rec? She will have one from a friend who is involved with one sorority on the national level. Wasn't sure if that is still done or desirable.
Probably depends on the school, from what I'm gathering here?

That’s fine. The letters of Rec seem to be completely disregarded IME. They should stop asking people to waste time on them. Mine had letters from
past presidents and they carried zero weight.

No social presence is better than bad social. At my DD school, moms coached their girls to make sure their social media made them look fun and rich but to never have a drink in their hand (because during rush they like to pretend drinking isn’t part of Greek life)

At an SEC school, it is all about connections with current and very recent grads. They say there’s no dirty rush, but that’s absolutely what happens. At other schools, it might really be about the girl herself and feeling matched with other girls.

In any case, she should be braced for the idea that she might get only one house to “rank” on pref night while most people have three. And it might be the only one she didn’t want.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole rush process is demented. I don't know about SLACs, but I went to UGA 30 years ago, and it was bad then. From what I hear from friend's kids, social media has not made it better/

My DC is at my alma mater (where I was in a sorority) and I can conclusively say that social media has made the entire process much worse. This school (not Bama!) has had some students with fairly high social media profiles and the number of women going out for rush and having their hearts set on the “top” houses has ballooned. What used to be just an informal, niche, rumor mill kind of “ranking” system has become very entrenched and documented on the internet/social media and now everyone thinks they’re a failure if they don’t pledge XYZ house. That thing about having a bid for everyone? Doesn’t work that way anymore. Too many girls. It’s kind of interesting — the boys seem unaffected by it and, if anything, less interested in frats. Guys are still rushing, but numbers are down, and plenty of guys are looking at the pledge process (hazing) and saying “no thanks.” Social media ruins everything.

Agree. At my DD’s school, rush for the girls was the miserable, one bid nightmare the girls fear. Run by a grad student who didn’t care about the girls’ experiences at all. They didn’t open enough spaces for the increased enrollment to intentionally force the one unpopular house to grow, counting on all those one bid girls to settle instead of quit: USING those girls, their first college experience, and their emotions to reach their goals of saving that house.

The boys on the other hand just dirty rush, no formal recruitment. So laid back.

Immature women just love to hurt other women and rush lets them pick “winners” and “losers” and continuing the hierarchy that they claim doesn’t exist but secretly love and take pride in. And all of this misery is endorsed by the school and the directors of recruitment. At this school, it got so bad that mothers were telling their girls to go to a different state U of they wanted to rush.

All schools give girls one bid.

Another my daughter was too good for the sorority she gotten into so the system is judgmental and superficial, but my kid is not post.

This is not true. At my DC’s school, there were only enough bids for about 50% of the girls who went through rush.

And my DC is a boy, so I don’t have any personal interest in it. I just heard a lot about the aftermath, and it wasn’t pretty.

I’m sure as a mom of a college aged boy you have more accurate info than a woman who handled in charge of rush at her sorority.

Pp Mom of college boy here — I was in a sorority in college, as well. Does that make me more of an “expert?”

“Everyone gets a bid” was not true when I was in a sorority, and it’s not true now at that college. In fact, because of the increase in the girls going through rush, it’s less true at this school. It may very well be true at the other person’s college, but the point is that every college handles rush differently — these are not National rules.

This is 100% wrong. National Panhellenic has moved to a model that requires every woman who finishes recruitment get a bid. Some women drop on their own. A fee are cross cut and don’t finish because they have no invitations for Preference round. But the at the vast majority of schools if a woman fuu it was not voluntarily drop out, she will be given a bid to a house. I can think of only one big school that doesn’t do this. (Indiana). They use a method called RFM. Chapters are all told how many women to release each round and how many to invite based on their yield. For “top” chapters, women who would be at the bottom of their bid list are released early, so that they can focus on their other options.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole rush process is demented. I don't know about SLACs, but I went to UGA 30 years ago, and it was bad then. From what I hear from friend's kids, social media has not made it better/

My DC is at my alma mater (where I was in a sorority) and I can conclusively say that social media has made the entire process much worse. This school (not Bama!) has had some students with fairly high social media profiles and the number of women going out for rush and having their hearts set on the “top” houses has ballooned. What used to be just an informal, niche, rumor mill kind of “ranking” system has become very entrenched and documented on the internet/social media and now everyone thinks they’re a failure if they don’t pledge XYZ house. That thing about having a bid for everyone? Doesn’t work that way anymore. Too many girls. It’s kind of interesting — the boys seem unaffected by it and, if anything, less interested in frats. Guys are still rushing, but numbers are down, and plenty of guys are looking at the pledge process (hazing) and saying “no thanks.” Social media ruins everything.

Agree. At my DD’s school, rush for the girls was the miserable, one bid nightmare the girls fear. Run by a grad student who didn’t care about the girls’ experiences at all. They didn’t open enough spaces for the increased enrollment to intentionally force the one unpopular house to grow, counting on all those one bid girls to settle instead of quit: USING those girls, their first college experience, and their emotions to reach their goals of saving that house.

The boys on the other hand just dirty rush, no formal recruitment. So laid back.

Immature women just love to hurt other women and rush lets them pick “winners” and “losers” and continuing the hierarchy that they claim doesn’t exist but secretly love and take pride in. And all of this misery is endorsed by the school and the directors of recruitment. At this school, it got so bad that mothers were telling their girls to go to a different state U of they wanted to rush.

All schools give girls one bid.

Another my daughter was too good for the sorority she gotten into so the system is judgmental and superficial, but my kid is not post.

This is not true. At my DC’s school, there were only enough bids for about 50% of the girls who went through rush.

And my DC is a boy, so I don’t have any personal interest in it. I just heard a lot about the aftermath, and it wasn’t pretty.

I’m sure as a mom of a college aged boy you have more accurate info than a woman who handled in charge of rush at her sorority.

Pp Mom of college boy here — I was in a sorority in college, as well. Does that make me more of an “expert?”

“Everyone gets a bid” was not true when I was in a sorority, and it’s not true now at that college. In fact, because of the increase in the girls going through rush, it’s less true at this school. It may very well be true at the other person’s college, but the point is that every college handles rush differently — these are not National rules.

This is 100% wrong. National Panhellenic has moved to a model that requires every woman who finishes recruitment get a bid. Some women drop on their own. A fee are cross cut and don’t finish because they have no invitations for Preference round. But the at the vast majority of schools if a woman fuu it was not voluntarily drop out, she will be given a bid to a house. I can think of only one big school that doesn’t do this. (Indiana). They use a method called RFM. Chapters are all told how many women to release each round and how many to invite based on their yield. For “top” chapters, women who would be at the bottom of their bid list are released early, so that they can focus on their other options.

Don’t play semantics. Not having anything for preference night = no bid. Not even from the house that can’t make numbers without university intervention and manipulation.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole rush process is demented. I don't know about SLACs, but I went to UGA 30 years ago, and it was bad then. From what I hear from friend's kids, social media has not made it better/

My DC is at my alma mater (where I was in a sorority) and I can conclusively say that social media has made the entire process much worse. This school (not Bama!) has had some students with fairly high social media profiles and the number of women going out for rush and having their hearts set on the “top” houses has ballooned. What used to be just an informal, niche, rumor mill kind of “ranking” system has become very entrenched and documented on the internet/social media and now everyone thinks they’re a failure if they don’t pledge XYZ house. That thing about having a bid for everyone? Doesn’t work that way anymore. Too many girls. It’s kind of interesting — the boys seem unaffected by it and, if anything, less interested in frats. Guys are still rushing, but numbers are down, and plenty of guys are looking at the pledge process (hazing) and saying “no thanks.” Social media ruins everything.

Agree. At my DD’s school, rush for the girls was the miserable, one bid nightmare the girls fear. Run by a grad student who didn’t care about the girls’ experiences at all. They didn’t open enough spaces for the increased enrollment to intentionally force the one unpopular house to grow, counting on all those one bid girls to settle instead of quit: USING those girls, their first college experience, and their emotions to reach their goals of saving that house.

The boys on the other hand just dirty rush, no formal recruitment. So laid back.

Immature women just love to hurt other women and rush lets them pick “winners” and “losers” and continuing the hierarchy that they claim doesn’t exist but secretly love and take pride in. And all of this misery is endorsed by the school and the directors of recruitment. At this school, it got so bad that mothers were telling their girls to go to a different state U of they wanted to rush.

All schools give girls one bid.

Another my daughter was too good for the sorority she gotten into so the system is judgmental and superficial, but my kid is not post.

This is not true. At my DC’s school, there were only enough bids for about 50% of the girls who went through rush.

And my DC is a boy, so I don’t have any personal interest in it. I just heard a lot about the aftermath, and it wasn’t pretty.

I’m sure as a mom of a college aged boy you have more accurate info than a woman who handled in charge of rush at her sorority.

Pp Mom of college boy here — I was in a sorority in college, as well. Does that make me more of an “expert?”

“Everyone gets a bid” was not true when I was in a sorority, and it’s not true now at that college. In fact, because of the increase in the girls going through rush, it’s less true at this school. It may very well be true at the other person’s college, but the point is that every college handles rush differently — these are not National rules.

This is 100% wrong. National Panhellenic has moved to a model that requires every woman who finishes recruitment get a bid. Some women drop on their own. A fee are cross cut and don’t finish because they have no invitations for Preference round. But the at the vast majority of schools if a woman fuu it was not voluntarily drop out, she will be given a bid to a house. I can think of only one big school that doesn’t do this. (Indiana). They use a method called RFM. Chapters are all told how many women to release each round and how many to invite based on their yield. For “top” chapters, women who would be at the bottom of their bid list are released early, so that they can focus on their other options.

Don’t play semantics. Not having anything for preference night = no bid. Not even from the house that can’t make numbers without university intervention and manipulation.

if your kid doesn't get a bid from the "bottom house" that struggled making numbers, they are doing something VERY wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole rush process is demented. I don't know about SLACs, but I went to UGA 30 years ago, and it was bad then. From what I hear from friend's kids, social media has not made it better/

My DC is at my alma mater (where I was in a sorority) and I can conclusively say that social media has made the entire process much worse. This school (not Bama!) has had some students with fairly high social media profiles and the number of women going out for rush and having their hearts set on the “top” houses has ballooned. What used to be just an informal, niche, rumor mill kind of “ranking” system has become very entrenched and documented on the internet/social media and now everyone thinks they’re a failure if they don’t pledge XYZ house. That thing about having a bid for everyone? Doesn’t work that way anymore. Too many girls. It’s kind of interesting — the boys seem unaffected by it and, if anything, less interested in frats. Guys are still rushing, but numbers are down, and plenty of guys are looking at the pledge process (hazing) and saying “no thanks.” Social media ruins everything.

Agree. At my DD’s school, rush for the girls was the miserable, one bid nightmare the girls fear. Run by a grad student who didn’t care about the girls’ experiences at all. They didn’t open enough spaces for the increased enrollment to intentionally force the one unpopular house to grow, counting on all those one bid girls to settle instead of quit: USING those girls, their first college experience, and their emotions to reach their goals of saving that house.

The boys on the other hand just dirty rush, no formal recruitment. So laid back.

Immature women just love to hurt other women and rush lets them pick “winners” and “losers” and continuing the hierarchy that they claim doesn’t exist but secretly love and take pride in. And all of this misery is endorsed by the school and the directors of recruitment. At this school, it got so bad that mothers were telling their girls to go to a different state U of they wanted to rush.

All schools give girls one bid.

Another my daughter was too good for the sorority she gotten into so the system is judgmental and superficial, but my kid is not post.

This is not true. At my DC’s school, there were only enough bids for about 50% of the girls who went through rush.

And my DC is a boy, so I don’t have any personal interest in it. I just heard a lot about the aftermath, and it wasn’t pretty.

I’m sure as a mom of a college aged boy you have more accurate info than a woman who handled in charge of rush at her sorority.

Pp Mom of college boy here — I was in a sorority in college, as well. Does that make me more of an “expert?”

“Everyone gets a bid” was not true when I was in a sorority, and it’s not true now at that college. In fact, because of the increase in the girls going through rush, it’s less true at this school. It may very well be true at the other person’s college, but the point is that every college handles rush differently — these are not National rules.

This is 100% wrong. National Panhellenic has moved to a model that requires every woman who finishes recruitment get a bid. Some women drop on their own. A fee are cross cut and don’t finish because they have no invitations for Preference round. But the at the vast majority of schools if a woman fuu it was not voluntarily drop out, she will be given a bid to a house. I can think of only one big school that doesn’t do this. (Indiana). They use a method called RFM. Chapters are all told how many women to release each round and how many to invite based on their yield. For “top” chapters, women who would be at the bottom of their bid list are released early, so that they can focus on their other options.

Don’t play semantics. Not having anything for preference night = no bid. Not even from the house that can’t make numbers without university intervention and manipulation.

if your kid doesn't get a bid from the "bottom house" that struggled making numbers, they are doing something VERY wrong.

Not every school has that house

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Anonymous wrote:The whole rush process is demented. I don't know about SLACs, but I went to UGA 30 years ago, and it was bad then. From what I hear from friend's kids, social media has not made it better/

My DC is at my alma mater (where I was in a sorority) and I can conclusively say that social media has made the entire process much worse. This school (not Bama!) has had some students with fairly high social media profiles and the number of women going out for rush and having their hearts set on the “top” houses has ballooned. What used to be just an informal, niche, rumor mill kind of “ranking” system has become very entrenched and documented on the internet/social media and now everyone thinks they’re a failure if they don’t pledge XYZ house. That thing about having a bid for everyone? Doesn’t work that way anymore. Too many girls. It’s kind of interesting — the boys seem unaffected by it and, if anything, less interested in frats. Guys are still rushing, but numbers are down, and plenty of guys are looking at the pledge process (hazing) and saying “no thanks.” Social media ruins everything.

Agree. At my DD’s school, rush for the girls was the miserable, one bid nightmare the girls fear. Run by a grad student who didn’t care about the girls’ experiences at all. They didn’t open enough spaces for the increased enrollment to intentionally force the one unpopular house to grow, counting on all those one bid girls to settle instead of quit: USING those girls, their first college experience, and their emotions to reach their goals of saving that house.

The boys on the other hand just dirty rush, no formal recruitment. So laid back.

Immature women just love to hurt other women and rush lets them pick “winners” and “losers” and continuing the hierarchy that they claim doesn’t exist but secretly love and take pride in. And all of this misery is endorsed by the school and the directors of recruitment. At this school, it got so bad that mothers were telling their girls to go to a different state U of they wanted to rush.

All schools give girls one bid.

Another my daughter was too good for the sorority she gotten into so the system is judgmental and superficial, but my kid is not post.

This is not true. At my DC’s school, there were only enough bids for about 50% of the girls who went through rush.

And my DC is a boy, so I don’t have any personal interest in it. I just heard a lot about the aftermath, and it wasn’t pretty.

I’m sure as a mom of a college aged boy you have more accurate info than a woman who handled in charge of rush at her sorority.

Pp Mom of college boy here — I was in a sorority in college, as well. Does that make me more of an “expert?”

“Everyone gets a bid” was not true when I was in a sorority, and it’s not true now at that college. In fact, because of the increase in the girls going through rush, it’s less true at this school. It may very well be true at the other person’s college, but the point is that every college handles rush differently — these are not National rules.

This is 100% wrong. National Panhellenic has moved to a model that requires every woman who finishes recruitment get a bid. Some women drop on their own. A fee are cross cut and don’t finish because they have no invitations for Preference round. But the at the vast majority of schools if a woman fuu it was not voluntarily drop out, she will be given a bid to a house. I can think of only one big school that doesn’t do this. (Indiana). They use a method called RFM. Chapters are all told how many women to release each round and how many to invite based on their yield. For “top” chapters, women who would be at the bottom of their bid list are released early, so that they can focus on their other options.

Don’t play semantics. Not having anything for preference night = no bid. Not even from the house that can’t make numbers without university intervention and manipulation.

if your kid doesn't get a bid from the "bottom house" that struggled making numbers, they are doing something VERY wrong.

You missed the point. Boosters use semantics to avoid criticism. “It’s the computer” “it’s just the algorithm “ “cross cutting affects a few but…”

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Anonymous wrote:The whole rush process is demented. I don't know about SLACs, but I went to UGA 30 years ago, and it was bad then. From what I hear from friend's kids, social media has not made it better/

My DC is at my alma mater (where I was in a sorority) and I can conclusively say that social media has made the entire process much worse. This school (not Bama!) has had some students with fairly high social media profiles and the number of women going out for rush and having their hearts set on the “top” houses has ballooned. What used to be just an informal, niche, rumor mill kind of “ranking” system has become very entrenched and documented on the internet/social media and now everyone thinks they’re a failure if they don’t pledge XYZ house. That thing about having a bid for everyone? Doesn’t work that way anymore. Too many girls. It’s kind of interesting — the boys seem unaffected by it and, if anything, less interested in frats. Guys are still rushing, but numbers are down, and plenty of guys are looking at the pledge process (hazing) and saying “no thanks.” Social media ruins everything.

Agree. At my DD’s school, rush for the girls was the miserable, one bid nightmare the girls fear. Run by a grad student who didn’t care about the girls’ experiences at all. They didn’t open enough spaces for the increased enrollment to intentionally force the one unpopular house to grow, counting on all those one bid girls to settle instead of quit: USING those girls, their first college experience, and their emotions to reach their goals of saving that house.

The boys on the other hand just dirty rush, no formal recruitment. So laid back.

Immature women just love to hurt other women and rush lets them pick “winners” and “losers” and continuing the hierarchy that they claim doesn’t exist but secretly love and take pride in. And all of this misery is endorsed by the school and the directors of recruitment. At this school, it got so bad that mothers were telling their girls to go to a different state U of they wanted to rush.

All schools give girls one bid.

Another my daughter was too good for the sorority she gotten into so the system is judgmental and superficial, but my kid is not post.

This is not true. At my DC’s school, there were only enough bids for about 50% of the girls who went through rush.

And my DC is a boy, so I don’t have any personal interest in it. I just heard a lot about the aftermath, and it wasn’t pretty.

I’m sure as a mom of a college aged boy you have more accurate info than a woman who handled in charge of rush at her sorority.

Pp Mom of college boy here — I was in a sorority in college, as well. Does that make me more of an “expert?”

“Everyone gets a bid” was not true when I was in a sorority, and it’s not true now at that college. In fact, because of the increase in the girls going through rush, it’s less true at this school. It may very well be true at the other person’s college, but the point is that every college handles rush differently — these are not National rules.

This is 100% wrong. National Panhellenic has moved to a model that requires every woman who finishes recruitment get a bid. Some women drop on their own. A fee are cross cut and don’t finish because they have no invitations for Preference round. But the at the vast majority of schools if a woman fuu it was not voluntarily drop out, she will be given a bid to a house. I can think of only one big school that doesn’t do this. (Indiana). They use a method called RFM. Chapters are all told how many women to release each round and how many to invite based on their yield. For “top” chapters, women who would be at the bottom of their bid list are released early, so that they can focus on their other options.

Don’t play semantics. Not having anything for preference night = no bid. Not even from the house that can’t make numbers without university intervention and manipulation.

if your kid doesn't get a bid from the "bottom house" that struggled making numbers, they are doing something VERY wrong.

Not every school has that house

EVERY school has a bottom house.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole rush process is demented. I don't know about SLACs, but I went to UGA 30 years ago, and it was bad then. From what I hear from friend's kids, social media has not made it better/

My DC is at my alma mater (where I was in a sorority) and I can conclusively say that social media has made the entire process much worse. This school (not Bama!) has had some students with fairly high social media profiles and the number of women going out for rush and having their hearts set on the “top” houses has ballooned. What used to be just an informal, niche, rumor mill kind of “ranking” system has become very entrenched and documented on the internet/social media and now everyone thinks they’re a failure if they don’t pledge XYZ house. That thing about having a bid for everyone? Doesn’t work that way anymore. Too many girls. It’s kind of interesting — the boys seem unaffected by it and, if anything, less interested in frats. Guys are still rushing, but numbers are down, and plenty of guys are looking at the pledge process (hazing) and saying “no thanks.” Social media ruins everything.

Agree. At my DD’s school, rush for the girls was the miserable, one bid nightmare the girls fear. Run by a grad student who didn’t care about the girls’ experiences at all. They didn’t open enough spaces for the increased enrollment to intentionally force the one unpopular house to grow, counting on all those one bid girls to settle instead of quit: USING those girls, their first college experience, and their emotions to reach their goals of saving that house.

The boys on the other hand just dirty rush, no formal recruitment. So laid back.

Immature women just love to hurt other women and rush lets them pick “winners” and “losers” and continuing the hierarchy that they claim doesn’t exist but secretly love and take pride in. And all of this misery is endorsed by the school and the directors of recruitment. At this school, it got so bad that mothers were telling their girls to go to a different state U of they wanted to rush.

All schools give girls one bid.

Another my daughter was too good for the sorority she gotten into so the system is judgmental and superficial, but my kid is not post.

This is not true. At my DC’s school, there were only enough bids for about 50% of the girls who went through rush.

And my DC is a boy, so I don’t have any personal interest in it. I just heard a lot about the aftermath, and it wasn’t pretty.

I’m sure as a mom of a college aged boy you have more accurate info than a woman who handled in charge of rush at her sorority.

Pp Mom of college boy here — I was in a sorority in college, as well. Does that make me more of an “expert?”

“Everyone gets a bid” was not true when I was in a sorority, and it’s not true now at that college. In fact, because of the increase in the girls going through rush, it’s less true at this school. It may very well be true at the other person’s college, but the point is that every college handles rush differently — these are not National rules.

This is 100% wrong. National Panhellenic has moved to a model that requires every woman who finishes recruitment get a bid. Some women drop on their own. A fee are cross cut and don’t finish because they have no invitations for Preference round. But the at the vast majority of schools if a woman fuu it was not voluntarily drop out, she will be given a bid to a house. I can think of only one big school that doesn’t do this. (Indiana). They use a method called RFM. Chapters are all told how many women to release each round and how many to invite based on their yield. For “top” chapters, women who would be at the bottom of their bid list are released early, so that they can focus on their other options.

Don’t play semantics. Not having anything for preference night = no bid. Not even from the house that can’t make numbers without university intervention and manipulation.

if your kid doesn't get a bid from the "bottom house" that struggled making numbers, they are doing something VERY wrong.

Not every school has that house

EVERY school has a bottom house.

According to multiple previous posters, there no such thing.