TJ Discrimination Case

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Anonymous wrote:So you missed the “Maybe a point bump for the kids zoned for the Center” which gets to your point that not everyone has a choice? Which is a shift in my position because you are correct, not every kid has a choice on their school. Kids who choose to attend the Center over their base should not receive the advantage of attending the Center and the advantage of coming from a less competitive school. They have a choice. A point bump, similar to the bumps for FARMs, for the kids who don’t have a choice, ie the Center is their base, would alleviate some of the issues that come from other kids coming to the base.

The last thing they need to do is add more points to a system that should be much more holistic and much less point based. It also doesn't solve the problem of affluent base/LLIV middle schools effectively getting extra seats, since they get all of their regular allocation plus they get to poach a lot of center school slots from the kids zoned to the center. It would make a lot more sense to eliminate AAP centers and instead provide AAP at every single MS. Or allocate seats on a pyramid level. Or in the cases where the base school is more affluent than the center, count kids zoned to the base but attending the center against the base's allotment rather than the center's.

Luther Jackson and Thoreau are a perfect example of why the current system makes no sense. Thoreau is much more affluent. But, the majority of the very top kids in AAP and zoned to Thoreau will attend Luther Jackson. It's not fair for the Luther Jackson kids to have an additional 200 relatively wealthy AAP kids swoop in and steal half of their slots. It's also not fair to hand the Thoreau zoned kids 9 extra TJ spots, since these kids largely are kids who weren't smart enough to get into AAP despite their parents' wealth and privilege, or kids who weren't motivated enough to challenge themselves at the center.

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Anonymous wrote:So you missed the “Maybe a point bump for the kids zoned for the Center” which gets to your point that not everyone has a choice? Which is a shift in my position because you are correct, not every kid has a choice on their school. Kids who choose to attend the Center over their base should not receive the advantage of attending the Center and the advantage of coming from a less competitive school. They have a choice. A point bump, similar to the bumps for FARMs, for the kids who don’t have a choice, ie the Center is their base, would alleviate some of the issues that come from other kids coming to the base.

The last thing they need to do is add more points to a system that should be much more holistic and much less point based. It also doesn't solve the problem of affluent base/LLIV middle schools effectively getting extra seats, since they get all of their regular allocation plus they get to poach a lot of center school slots from the kids zoned to the center. It would make a lot more sense to eliminate AAP centers and instead provide AAP at every single MS. Or allocate seats on a pyramid level. Or in the cases where the base school is more affluent than the center, count kids zoned to the base but attending the center against the base's allotment rather than the center's.

Luther Jackson and Thoreau are a perfect example of why the current system makes no sense. Thoreau is much more affluent. But, the majority of the very top kids in AAP and zoned to Thoreau will attend Luther Jackson. It's not fair for the Luther Jackson kids to have an additional 200 relatively wealthy AAP kids swoop in and steal half of their slots. It's also not fair to hand the Thoreau zoned kids 9 extra TJ spots, since these kids largely are kids who weren't smart enough to get into AAP despite their parents' wealth and privilege, or kids who weren't motivated enough to challenge themselves at the center.

Why don't they just pick by base school instead i.e. Thorough gets X spots. Kids whose base school is Thoroeau spots come from Thoreau's allotment regardless of AAP.

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Anonymous wrote:So you missed the “Maybe a point bump for the kids zoned for the Center” which gets to your point that not everyone has a choice? Which is a shift in my position because you are correct, not every kid has a choice on their school. Kids who choose to attend the Center over their base should not receive the advantage of attending the Center and the advantage of coming from a less competitive school. They have a choice. A point bump, similar to the bumps for FARMs, for the kids who don’t have a choice, ie the Center is their base, would alleviate some of the issues that come from other kids coming to the base.

The last thing they need to do is add more points to a system that should be much more holistic and much less point based. It also doesn't solve the problem of affluent base/LLIV middle schools effectively getting extra seats, since they get all of their regular allocation plus they get to poach a lot of center school slots from the kids zoned to the center. It would make a lot more sense to eliminate AAP centers and instead provide AAP at every single MS. Or allocate seats on a pyramid level. Or in the cases where the base school is more affluent than the center, count kids zoned to the base but attending the center against the base's allotment rather than the center's.

Luther Jackson and Thoreau are a perfect example of why the current system makes no sense. Thoreau is much more affluent. But, the majority of the very top kids in AAP and zoned to Thoreau will attend Luther Jackson. It's not fair for the Luther Jackson kids to have an additional 200 relatively wealthy AAP kids swoop in and steal half of their slots. It's also not fair to hand the Thoreau zoned kids 9 extra TJ spots, since these kids largely are kids who weren't smart enough to get into AAP despite their parents' wealth and privilege, or kids who weren't motivated enough to challenge themselves at the center.

I am the loudest and most well-informed pro-reform person on this board - and the above poster is exactly right. The only quarrel I would have is that I think the Jackson/Thoreau issue is a specific weakness of the system rather than evidence that it makes no sense - but you're well on the right track by making the point that AAP services need to be available at every middle school and that centers need to be eliminated.

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Anonymous wrote:So you missed the “Maybe a point bump for the kids zoned for the Center” which gets to your point that not everyone has a choice? Which is a shift in my position because you are correct, not every kid has a choice on their school. Kids who choose to attend the Center over their base should not receive the advantage of attending the Center and the advantage of coming from a less competitive school. They have a choice. A point bump, similar to the bumps for FARMs, for the kids who don’t have a choice, ie the Center is their base, would alleviate some of the issues that come from other kids coming to the base.

The last thing they need to do is add more points to a system that should be much more holistic and much less point based. It also doesn't solve the problem of affluent base/LLIV middle schools effectively getting extra seats, since they get all of their regular allocation plus they get to poach a lot of center school slots from the kids zoned to the center. It would make a lot more sense to eliminate AAP centers and instead provide AAP at every single MS. Or allocate seats on a pyramid level. Or in the cases where the base school is more affluent than the center, count kids zoned to the base but attending the center against the base's allotment rather than the center's.

Luther Jackson and Thoreau are a perfect example of why the current system makes no sense. Thoreau is much more affluent. But, the majority of the very top kids in AAP and zoned to Thoreau will attend Luther Jackson. It's not fair for the Luther Jackson kids to have an additional 200 relatively wealthy AAP kids swoop in and steal half of their slots. It's also not fair to hand the Thoreau zoned kids 9 extra TJ spots, since these kids largely are kids who weren't smart enough to get into AAP despite their parents' wealth and privilege, or kids who weren't motivated enough to challenge themselves at the center.

I am the loudest and most well-informed pro-reform person on this board - and the above poster is exactly right. The only quarrel I would have is that I think the Jackson/Thoreau issue is a specific weakness of the system rather than evidence that it makes no sense - but you're well on the right track by making the point that AAP services need to be available at every middle school and that centers need to be eliminated.

100% agree. They need to do away with the AAP Centers at the MS level.

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Anonymous wrote:So you missed the “Maybe a point bump for the kids zoned for the Center” which gets to your point that not everyone has a choice? Which is a shift in my position because you are correct, not every kid has a choice on their school. Kids who choose to attend the Center over their base should not receive the advantage of attending the Center and the advantage of coming from a less competitive school. They have a choice. A point bump, similar to the bumps for FARMs, for the kids who don’t have a choice, ie the Center is their base, would alleviate some of the issues that come from other kids coming to the base.

The last thing they need to do is add more points to a system that should be much more holistic and much less point based. It also doesn't solve the problem of affluent base/LLIV middle schools effectively getting extra seats, since they get all of their regular allocation plus they get to poach a lot of center school slots from the kids zoned to the center. It would make a lot more sense to eliminate AAP centers and instead provide AAP at every single MS. Or allocate seats on a pyramid level. Or in the cases where the base school is more affluent than the center, count kids zoned to the base but attending the center against the base's allotment rather than the center's.

Luther Jackson and Thoreau are a perfect example of why the current system makes no sense. Thoreau is much more affluent. But, the majority of the very top kids in AAP and zoned to Thoreau will attend Luther Jackson. It's not fair for the Luther Jackson kids to have an additional 200 relatively wealthy AAP kids swoop in and steal half of their slots. It's also not fair to hand the Thoreau zoned kids 9 extra TJ spots, since these kids largely are kids who weren't smart enough to get into AAP despite their parents' wealth and privilege, or kids who weren't motivated enough to challenge themselves at the center.

I am the loudest and most well-informed pro-reform person on this board - and the above poster is exactly right. The only quarrel I would have is that I think the Jackson/Thoreau issue is a specific weakness of the system rather than evidence that it makes no sense - but you're well on the right track by making the point that AAP services need to be available at every middle school and that centers need to be eliminated.

100% agree. They need to do away with the AAP Centers at the MS level.

Why limit the diversity only at TJ? Why not in MS where MS kids can benefit from diversity too!!!

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Anonymous wrote:So you missed the “Maybe a point bump for the kids zoned for the Center” which gets to your point that not everyone has a choice? Which is a shift in my position because you are correct, not every kid has a choice on their school. Kids who choose to attend the Center over their base should not receive the advantage of attending the Center and the advantage of coming from a less competitive school. They have a choice. A point bump, similar to the bumps for FARMs, for the kids who don’t have a choice, ie the Center is their base, would alleviate some of the issues that come from other kids coming to the base.

The last thing they need to do is add more points to a system that should be much more holistic and much less point based. It also doesn't solve the problem of affluent base/LLIV middle schools effectively getting extra seats, since they get all of their regular allocation plus they get to poach a lot of center school slots from the kids zoned to the center. It would make a lot more sense to eliminate AAP centers and instead provide AAP at every single MS. Or allocate seats on a pyramid level. Or in the cases where the base school is more affluent than the center, count kids zoned to the base but attending the center against the base's allotment rather than the center's.

Luther Jackson and Thoreau are a perfect example of why the current system makes no sense. Thoreau is much more affluent. But, the majority of the very top kids in AAP and zoned to Thoreau will attend Luther Jackson. It's not fair for the Luther Jackson kids to have an additional 200 relatively wealthy AAP kids swoop in and steal half of their slots. It's also not fair to hand the Thoreau zoned kids 9 extra TJ spots, since these kids largely are kids who weren't smart enough to get into AAP despite their parents' wealth and privilege, or kids who weren't motivated enough to challenge themselves at the center.

I am the loudest and most well-informed pro-reform person on this board - and the above poster is exactly right. The only quarrel I would have is that I think the Jackson/Thoreau issue is a specific weakness of the system rather than evidence that it makes no sense - but you're well on the right track by making the point that AAP services need to be available at every middle school and that centers need to be eliminated.

100% agree. They need to do away with the AAP Centers at the MS level.

Why limit the diversity only at TJ? Why not in MS where MS kids can benefit from diversity too!!!

TJ is not a neighborhood school. Middle Schools are/should be. Public middle schoolers should be able to attend their zoned middle school and those schools should be equipped to educate the students who are zoned to them, no matter how advanced or non-advanced.

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Anonymous wrote:no one bought TJ tests. Its as stupid as saying the election was stolen.

Yes these kids prepped like mad and half of them burnt out in TJ - but the notion that u could just buy teats at these prepping places is stupid.

This kids were taking math enrichment that was combined with prep for admissions process to TJ and AOS. They went over some possible questions, and if the testing company wasn't refreshing with new questions, then the kids would we able to handle the test pretty easily.
Vast majority of Curie kids do not get into TJ.

Last I knew, 30%+ of the kids who got in went to Curie. Would be curious what percentage gets in; for example, if they attend Curie for multiple classes over a period of years, do their odds go up dramatically? Just asking for a friend...

But you know that’s history right? That was under the old system no longer in place so what does it matter now?

Doesn't the same prep center now coach kids on how to write their student profile and essays to maximize their chances?

Yes, and it is easier to do than to coach kids in math, though perhaps the admissions office then weeds out what looks like a prepped essay.

They're not psychics. There's no way that they can detect kids who have been heavily coached based on some pretty generic essays. If they truly wanted to get rid of the kids who are heavily prepped but not very remarkable, they wouldn't have eliminated teacher recommendations.

If the graders see a whole bunch of essays looking very similar...

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It's amazing that this thread is still thriving even though this case was left out of court months ago.

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Anonymous wrote:So you missed the “Maybe a point bump for the kids zoned for the Center” which gets to your point that not everyone has a choice? Which is a shift in my position because you are correct, not every kid has a choice on their school. Kids who choose to attend the Center over their base should not receive the advantage of attending the Center and the advantage of coming from a less competitive school. They have a choice. A point bump, similar to the bumps for FARMs, for the kids who don’t have a choice, ie the Center is their base, would alleviate some of the issues that come from other kids coming to the base.

The last thing they need to do is add more points to a system that should be much more holistic and much less point based. It also doesn't solve the problem of affluent base/LLIV middle schools effectively getting extra seats, since they get all of their regular allocation plus they get to poach a lot of center school slots from the kids zoned to the center. It would make a lot more sense to eliminate AAP centers and instead provide AAP at every single MS. Or allocate seats on a pyramid level. Or in the cases where the base school is more affluent than the center, count kids zoned to the base but attending the center against the base's allotment rather than the center's.

Luther Jackson and Thoreau are a perfect example of why the current system makes no sense. Thoreau is much more affluent. But, the majority of the very top kids in AAP and zoned to Thoreau will attend Luther Jackson. It's not fair for the Luther Jackson kids to have an additional 200 relatively wealthy AAP kids swoop in and steal half of their slots. It's also not fair to hand the Thoreau zoned kids 9 extra TJ spots, since these kids largely are kids who weren't smart enough to get into AAP despite their parents' wealth and privilege, or kids who weren't motivated enough to challenge themselves at the center.

I am the loudest and most well-informed pro-reform person on this board - and the above poster is exactly right. The only quarrel I would have is that I think the Jackson/Thoreau issue is a specific weakness of the system rather than evidence that it makes no sense - but you're well on the right track by making the point that AAP services need to be available at every middle school and that centers need to be eliminated.

100% agree. They need to do away with the AAP Centers at the MS level.

Why limit the diversity only at TJ? Why not in MS where MS kids can benefit from diversity too!!!

absolutely. we should not have any kind of testing at any level of school. no kid is better than another.

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Anonymous wrote:It's amazing that this thread is still thriving even though this case was left out of court months ago.

It's actually still active. The Fourth Circuit finally heard oral arguments on the actual appeal back in mid-September and we are awaiting a final decision from them.

The previous ruling from the Fourth was in regard to an emergency stop order requested by FCPS against the ruling from Claude Hilton at the District Court level. That ruling allowed the process to continue for the Class of 2026 when the Supreme Court surprisingly declined to vacate the stop. Both appellate courts have thus signaled their intent on the matter and the Coalition is likely to lose at both levels if they choose to pursue it further.

But as the case itself isn't fully settled de jure, even though it essentially is de facto, I'm not surprised the thread is still active.

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Anonymous wrote:It's amazing that this thread is still thriving even though this case was left out of court months ago.

It's actually still active. The Fourth Circuit finally heard oral arguments on the actual appeal back in mid-September and we are awaiting a final decision from them.

The previous ruling from the Fourth was in regard to an emergency stop order requested by FCPS against the ruling from Claude Hilton at the District Court level. That ruling allowed the process to continue for the Class of 2026 when the Supreme Court surprisingly declined to vacate the stop. Both appellate courts have thus signaled their intent on the matter and the Coalition is likely to lose at both levels if they choose to pursue it further.

But as the case itself isn't fully settled de jure, even though it essentially is de facto, I'm not surprised the thread is still active.

Sure, it will drag on forever if they don't drop it but it's basically dead. They don't have a case so it's going nowhere.

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Anonymous wrote:no one bought TJ tests. Its as stupid as saying the election was stolen.

Yes these kids prepped like mad and half of them burnt out in TJ - but the notion that u could just buy teats at these prepping places is stupid.

This kids were taking math enrichment that was combined with prep for admissions process to TJ and AOS. They went over some possible questions, and if the testing company wasn't refreshing with new questions, then the kids would we able to handle the test pretty easily.
Vast majority of Curie kids do not get into TJ.

Last I knew, 30%+ of the kids who got in went to Curie. Would be curious what percentage gets in; for example, if they attend Curie for multiple classes over a period of years, do their odds go up dramatically? Just asking for a friend...

But you know that’s history right? That was under the old system no longer in place so what does it matter now?

Doesn't the same prep center now coach kids on how to write their student profile and essays to maximize their chances?

Yes, and it is easier to do than to coach kids in math, though perhaps the admissions office then weeds out what looks like a prepped essay.

They're not psychics. There's no way that they can detect kids who have been heavily coached based on some pretty generic essays. If they truly wanted to get rid of the kids who are heavily prepped but not very remarkable, they wouldn't have eliminated teacher recommendations.

If the graders see a whole bunch of essays looking very similar...

They should keep a count of how many kids claim awards then compare that to the actual totals in the county to get a sense on how much lying is going on.

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Anonymous wrote:It's amazing that this thread is still thriving even though this case was left out of court months ago.

It's actually still active. The Fourth Circuit finally heard oral arguments on the actual appeal back in mid-September and we are awaiting a final decision from them.

The previous ruling from the Fourth was in regard to an emergency stop order requested by FCPS against the ruling from Claude Hilton at the District Court level. That ruling allowed the process to continue for the Class of 2026 when the Supreme Court surprisingly declined to vacate the stop. Both appellate courts have thus signaled their intent on the matter and the Coalition is likely to lose at both levels if they choose to pursue it further.

But as the case itself isn't fully settled de jure, even though it essentially is de facto, I'm not surprised the thread is still active.

Sure, it will drag on forever if they don't drop it but it's basically dead. They don't have a case so it's going nowhere.

#fakenews How many times have you told us this case was meritless? The Fairfax judge said he thought there was discrimination but it wasn't the issue before him. The District Court ruled against FCPS, the 4th Circuit was split 2-1 on the emergency appeal by FCPS to stay the order, and three Justice of the Supreme Court thought the emergency order should be reviewed.

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Anonymous wrote:Voting Republican just because your angry about TJ admissions is short sighted. Haven’t you seen the pictures in the news of Republicans giving Trump the Nazi salute in mass? (It’s a very similar salute, and there were pictures of three moms on the street giving the full Nazi salute to Trump.) Did you not see Nov.6th? Do you think it will end well for our country when it is no longer a democracy?

So discrimination against Asians is cool because otherwise we're just ushering in Mussolini? Get a grip.

DP but get a grip. There is no discrimination against Asians when it comes to admission to TJ. Asians make up 20% of the students body in FCPS but take up to 70% of the seats at TJ.

Jews make up 2% of the population and 22-24% of the Ivy schools - some 11 times the size of the population. Complain about that before complaining of Asians.

PP isn't complaining about it; PP is illustrating why a court will not see a valid legal claim of disparate impact discrimination against a minority population that holds a majority of seats. There are two ways to prove discrimination, one of which is disparate impact. Disparate impact is proved by statistics and this case doesn't have numbers on its side, which was PP's point.

And if suddenly a single school was admitting them at only the rate of 15% of its student body I would think the same thing - that alleging discrimination doesn’t feel like strong ground to stand on when the admittance level is still so high.

And everyone expects it to continue to go back up close to its prior percentage level.

The new system is still gameable with moving and/or fraudulently filling out the free meals form being the two easiest ways to gain admittance.

It needs to be changed to either a lottery or an open enrollment academy model.

Oh no! The meals question was a stroke of genius. They were able to verify and catch many of the cheaters which helped detoxify TJ.

Did you not hear about the massive loophole?

As long as the family submits that their child is eligible using the online free and reduced price meals form, their child will get the bonus points.

FCPS does not verify income if you fill out the form in their website. It’s completely based on trust and there are absolutely parents who have and will continue to abuse this trust.

Not sure where you got this nonsense from but that's not true at all. They required documentation from those who claimed this and those who were unable to provide it were kicked from the program.

No documentation is required if the FARMS forms are filed with the child’s middle school.

And the FARMS forms do not require documentation.

This is terrible.

No documentation is required. If a parent is willing to lie, they can get the FARMS bonus got their child in the TJ admissions.

https://www.fcps.edu/frm

Will this be the case for this year's admissions, now that free lunch for all is gone?

It’s not gone. I live in a TJ feeder neighborhood. There is a family a couple doors over with an 8th grader. They have teamed up with two other neighborhood families with 8th graders and rented a cheap o crash pad by an under-represented school, which the kids are attending until spring. Mom is “separated“ from dad on paper and, as a singLe parent with no income, has filled out the FARMSs paperwork. They take turns with drop off and pickup. Kids stay on same travel sports teams, sleep in their bedrooms and I know they take independent math classes on Sundays to stay ahead.

No one is hiding it. And in many ways, it’s cheaper and easier than prep.

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Anonymous wrote:Voting Republican just because your angry about TJ admissions is short sighted. Haven’t you seen the pictures in the news of Republicans giving Trump the Nazi salute in mass? (It’s a very similar salute, and there were pictures of three moms on the street giving the full Nazi salute to Trump.) Did you not see Nov.6th? Do you think it will end well for our country when it is no longer a democracy?

So discrimination against Asians is cool because otherwise we're just ushering in Mussolini? Get a grip.

DP but get a grip. There is no discrimination against Asians when it comes to admission to TJ. Asians make up 20% of the students body in FCPS but take up to 70% of the seats at TJ.

Jews make up 2% of the population and 22-24% of the Ivy schools - some 11 times the size of the population. Complain about that before complaining of Asians.

PP isn't complaining about it; PP is illustrating why a court will not see a valid legal claim of disparate impact discrimination against a minority population that holds a majority of seats. There are two ways to prove discrimination, one of which is disparate impact. Disparate impact is proved by statistics and this case doesn't have numbers on its side, which was PP's point.

And if suddenly a single school was admitting them at only the rate of 15% of its student body I would think the same thing - that alleging discrimination doesn’t feel like strong ground to stand on when the admittance level is still so high.

And everyone expects it to continue to go back up close to its prior percentage level.

The new system is still gameable with moving and/or fraudulently filling out the free meals form being the two easiest ways to gain admittance.

It needs to be changed to either a lottery or an open enrollment academy model.

Oh no! The meals question was a stroke of genius. They were able to verify and catch many of the cheaters which helped detoxify TJ.

Did you not hear about the massive loophole?

As long as the family submits that their child is eligible using the online free and reduced price meals form, their child will get the bonus points.

FCPS does not verify income if you fill out the form in their website. It’s completely based on trust and there are absolutely parents who have and will continue to abuse this trust.

Not sure where you got this nonsense from but that's not true at all. They required documentation from those who claimed this and those who were unable to provide it were kicked from the program.

No documentation is required if the FARMS forms are filed with the child’s middle school.

And the FARMS forms do not require documentation.

This is terrible.

No documentation is required. If a parent is willing to lie, they can get the FARMS bonus got their child in the TJ admissions.

https://www.fcps.edu/frm

Will this be the case for this year's admissions, now that free lunch for all is gone?

It’s not gone. I live in a TJ feeder neighborhood. There is a family a couple doors over with an 8th grader. They have teamed up with two other neighborhood families with 8th graders and rented a cheap o crash pad by an under-represented school, which the kids are attending until spring. Mom is “separated“ from dad on paper and, as a singLe parent with no income, has filled out the FARMSs paperwork. They take turns with drop off and pickup. Kids stay on same travel sports teams, sleep in their bedrooms and I know they take independent math classes on Sundays to stay ahead.

No one is hiding it. And in many ways, it’s cheaper and easier than prep.

Of course this is happening.

This is exactly why it should be a lottery.