What in US food supply causes weight gain and inflammation?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This entire thread is full of pseudoscience. Please go back to goop.

What exactly on this thread is "pseudoscience"? You said it, so explain yourself.

There's no evidence that GMOs cause obesity. None.
Americans don't drink more alcohol than other countries.
Our soil is depleted of nutrients? Evidence? Connection to Obesity?
Evidence that processed food causes obesity? Proof?
Pesticides cause inflammation and thus obesity? Proof?

I'll give you that eating lots of sugar probably has som impact. The rest of these reasons are garbage.

Not my job to educate you. You need to educate yourself if you really believe everything you just wrote. You are either a troll, or living under a rock.

You are living under a conspiracy rock. So, no, I've already done research. All of your assertions are bunk.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you eat super processed foods then your experience is going to be bad. Stop doing that. Problem solved.

Nobody wants to do that. So they have on going weight problems.

Duh.

OP here. You probably missed this rest of the thread, but on the face of it my diet in the US is healthier than when I am in Europe.

Maybe eat more normal but not processed foods? Perhaps the “healthier” food you’re in eating isn’t actually healthier for you? Consider carbs and fat. There have been some interesting UK studies recently about the effects of protein on hormones for women. Maybe you’re eating more protein because of more restaurant meals in Europe?

If you’re truly losing weight and having less inflammation during a one or two week vacation then what you’re eating at home isn’t working for you!

OP. I think you probably missed a few posts, it has been a long thread. I go to Europe regularly for work and family. Sometimes I stay a week or two, sometimes a month or more at a time. When I’m there longer, I lose more. But even after a week, I notice the difference in stiffness and the feeling of being bloated when I return.

I did a comparison of what I eat from my food logs on p. 10 of this thread. My regular go-to meals in the US are things like salmon with veggies/rice, tofu stir fry with rice, grilled meats, hummus with pita/fresh veggies, etc. Sometimes homemade chilis with beans, ground turkey, and tomatoes. Another meal we make is a sesame chicken cabbage salad. We don’t eat at restaurants all that often, and almost never fast food. I mean it’s not perfect but I don’t think it’s that bad either.

In comparison I eat much more restaurant food in Europe. I definitely drink more. I have chocolate croissants at breakfast multiple times a week. I have to buy more processed food because I’m traveling. On the face of it, my diet in Europe is worse not better. But yet I feel better there.

PP who put the link to the micro plastics, thank you. That is fascinating. I also read the whole Twitter thread above that I linked and a lot of people have similar experiences. At least it’s not just me. It drives me crazy!

No, I didn’t miss any posts. What you’re saying is that you eat differently in Europe and lose weight while you’re there, right? Seems to me you need to eat more like you do in Europe here before assuming it’s something like…plastics. I know it seems like you shouldn’t be experiencing this in the US since you eat so healthy and no chocolate croissants. It seems like you should consider adopting more what you’ve been eating in Europe first.

I think you need to be more open to the fact that you ARE eating differently in Europe while you’re there.

OP here. Eating more like I do in Europe means more bread, more desserts, more alcohol, more restaurant food, and more heavy sauces. I can’t see that leading to feeling better in the US. But I suppose I could try that. God knows I’d rather add chocolate croissants to my diet than remove gluten.

[Anonymous]

I agree that wheat is problematic, but IMO, it’s our milk/dairy. It’s a huge source of inflammation. Weight gain, bad skin, brain fog. As an experiment, it’s interesting to do a hard elimination diet of milk/casein, which is a hidden ingredient in many food products. You will lose weight and feel fantastic, and sharp.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree that wheat is problematic, but IMO, it’s our milk/dairy. It’s a huge source of inflammation. Weight gain, bad skin, brain fog. As an experiment, it’s interesting to do a hard elimination diet of milk/casein, which is a hidden ingredient in many food products. You will lose weight and feel fantastic, and sharp.

OP here. I do consume a lot of dairy. Cheese, milk in coffee, etc.

That is an interesting thought. I posted about it earlier but I almost never eat pizza here because I feel so gross when I eat it here. But I can eat a full Italian-style pizza in Europe and feel fine.

[Anonymous]

Portions are WAY smaller in Europe, you walk much more and there isn’t this obsession with drinking water. Americans are drinking all day long, giant water jugs, diet soda, coffee, etc. They think „oh it doesn’t have calories!“ but it is constantly putting stuff in their mouth, in their stomach, and it makes them focus too much on food. We would benefit from a total reset of cup and plate sizes and stop dieting altogether. It just makes people obsess over putting food in their mouths.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you eat super processed foods then your experience is going to be bad. Stop doing that. Problem solved.

Nobody wants to do that. So they have on going weight problems.

Duh.

OP here. You probably missed this rest of the thread, but on the face of it my diet in the US is healthier than when I am in Europe.

Maybe eat more normal but not processed foods? Perhaps the “healthier” food you’re in eating isn’t actually healthier for you? Consider carbs and fat. There have been some interesting UK studies recently about the effects of protein on hormones for women. Maybe you’re eating more protein because of more restaurant meals in Europe?

If you’re truly losing weight and having less inflammation during a one or two week vacation then what you’re eating at home isn’t working for you!

OP. I think you probably missed a few posts, it has been a long thread. I go to Europe regularly for work and family. Sometimes I stay a week or two, sometimes a month or more at a time. When I’m there longer, I lose more. But even after a week, I notice the difference in stiffness and the feeling of being bloated when I return.

I did a comparison of what I eat from my food logs on p. 10 of this thread. My regular go-to meals in the US are things like salmon with veggies/rice, tofu stir fry with rice, grilled meats, hummus with pita/fresh veggies, etc. Sometimes homemade chilis with beans, ground turkey, and tomatoes. Another meal we make is a sesame chicken cabbage salad. We don’t eat at restaurants all that often, and almost never fast food. I mean it’s not perfect but I don’t think it’s that bad either.

In comparison I eat much more restaurant food in Europe. I definitely drink more. I have chocolate croissants at breakfast multiple times a week. I have to buy more processed food because I’m traveling. On the face of it, my diet in Europe is worse not better. But yet I feel better there.

PP who put the link to the micro plastics, thank you. That is fascinating. I also read the whole Twitter thread above that I linked and a lot of people have similar experiences. At least it’s not just me. It drives me crazy!

No, I didn’t miss any posts. What you’re saying is that you eat differently in Europe and lose weight while you’re there, right? Seems to me you need to eat more like you do in Europe here before assuming it’s something like…plastics. I know it seems like you shouldn’t be experiencing this in the US since you eat so healthy and no chocolate croissants. It seems like you should consider adopting more what you’ve been eating in Europe first.

I think you need to be more open to the fact that you ARE eating differently in Europe while you’re there.

OP here. Eating more like I do in Europe means more bread, more desserts, more alcohol, more restaurant food, and more heavy sauces. I can’t see that leading to feeling better in the US. But I suppose I could try that. God knows I’d rather add chocolate croissants to my diet than remove gluten.

So when you’re in Europe on vacation you’re a total glutton? Or are you eating normal meals and splurging a little bit?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you eat super processed foods then your experience is going to be bad. Stop doing that. Problem solved.

Nobody wants to do that. So they have on going weight problems.

Duh.

OP here. You probably missed this rest of the thread, but on the face of it my diet in the US is healthier than when I am in Europe.

Maybe eat more normal but not processed foods? Perhaps the “healthier” food you’re in eating isn’t actually healthier for you? Consider carbs and fat. There have been some interesting UK studies recently about the effects of protein on hormones for women. Maybe you’re eating more protein because of more restaurant meals in Europe?

If you’re truly losing weight and having less inflammation during a one or two week vacation then what you’re eating at home isn’t working for you!

OP. I think you probably missed a few posts, it has been a long thread. I go to Europe regularly for work and family. Sometimes I stay a week or two, sometimes a month or more at a time. When I’m there longer, I lose more. But even after a week, I notice the difference in stiffness and the feeling of being bloated when I return.

I did a comparison of what I eat from my food logs on p. 10 of this thread. My regular go-to meals in the US are things like salmon with veggies/rice, tofu stir fry with rice, grilled meats, hummus with pita/fresh veggies, etc. Sometimes homemade chilis with beans, ground turkey, and tomatoes. Another meal we make is a sesame chicken cabbage salad. We don’t eat at restaurants all that often, and almost never fast food. I mean it’s not perfect but I don’t think it’s that bad either.

In comparison I eat much more restaurant food in Europe. I definitely drink more. I have chocolate croissants at breakfast multiple times a week. I have to buy more processed food because I’m traveling. On the face of it, my diet in Europe is worse not better. But yet I feel better there.

PP who put the link to the micro plastics, thank you. That is fascinating. I also read the whole Twitter thread above that I linked and a lot of people have similar experiences. At least it’s not just me. It drives me crazy!

No, I didn’t miss any posts. What you’re saying is that you eat differently in Europe and lose weight while you’re there, right? Seems to me you need to eat more like you do in Europe here before assuming it’s something like…plastics. I know it seems like you shouldn’t be experiencing this in the US since you eat so healthy and no chocolate croissants. It seems like you should consider adopting more what you’ve been eating in Europe first.

I think you need to be more open to the fact that you ARE eating differently in Europe while you’re there.

OP here. Eating more like I do in Europe means more bread, more desserts, more alcohol, more restaurant food, and more heavy sauces. I can’t see that leading to feeling better in the US. But I suppose I could try that. God knows I’d rather add chocolate croissants to my diet than remove gluten.

Do you live in the burbs? If so, do you drive or metro to work?

Asking because I spent summers in Europe with my mom. We lived in the burbs and my mom would “work out” during the school year. When we were abroad in Europe she would splurge more and also walked a lot. The weight would melt off and she’d lose 10 pounds by the end of the summer.

Years later she moved to NYC. She lived a very similar lifestyle to a European and again lost weight.

Seems like it was all of the intermittent walking/exercise during the day that made a huge difference for her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Portions are WAY smaller in Europe, you walk much more and there isn’t this obsession with drinking water. Americans are drinking all day long, giant water jugs, diet soda, coffee, etc. They think „oh it doesn’t have calories!“ but it is constantly putting stuff in their mouth, in their stomach, and it makes them focus too much on food. We would benefit from a total reset of cup and plate sizes and stop dieting altogether. It just makes people obsess over putting food in their mouths.

This. It’s not cheese, gluten or plastics! It’s these little things that add up over the course of a week or two.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Portions are WAY smaller in Europe, you walk much more and there isn’t this obsession with drinking water. Americans are drinking all day long, giant water jugs, diet soda, coffee, etc. They think „oh it doesn’t have calories!“ but it is constantly putting stuff in their mouth, in their stomach, and it makes them focus too much on food. We would benefit from a total reset of cup and plate sizes and stop dieting altogether. It just makes people obsess over putting food in their mouths.

OP. I think portion size isn’t such an issue if I am rarely eating US restaurant food but are eating European restaurant food. I drink more water in the US though. That is true. But less alcohol in the US.

[Anonymous]

Reading this thread, I’ve thought about things like wheat and dairy, portion size and walking habits. Now I’m wondering if a crucial element might be something so ubiquitous that we don’t even think to look at it — like water (mineral content, additives, filtering methods) or salt ( amount, type, additives, processing methods) — that’s in pretty much everything, including animal feed or even organic agriculture.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you eat super processed foods then your experience is going to be bad. Stop doing that. Problem solved.

Nobody wants to do that. So they have on going weight problems.

Duh.

OP here. You probably missed this rest of the thread, but on the face of it my diet in the US is healthier than when I am in Europe.

Maybe eat more normal but not processed foods? Perhaps the “healthier” food you’re in eating isn’t actually healthier for you? Consider carbs and fat. There have been some interesting UK studies recently about the effects of protein on hormones for women. Maybe you’re eating more protein because of more restaurant meals in Europe?

If you’re truly losing weight and having less inflammation during a one or two week vacation then what you’re eating at home isn’t working for you!

OP. I think you probably missed a few posts, it has been a long thread. I go to Europe regularly for work and family. Sometimes I stay a week or two, sometimes a month or more at a time. When I’m there longer, I lose more. But even after a week, I notice the difference in stiffness and the feeling of being bloated when I return.

I did a comparison of what I eat from my food logs on p. 10 of this thread. My regular go-to meals in the US are things like salmon with veggies/rice, tofu stir fry with rice, grilled meats, hummus with pita/fresh veggies, etc. Sometimes homemade chilis with beans, ground turkey, and tomatoes. Another meal we make is a sesame chicken cabbage salad. We don’t eat at restaurants all that often, and almost never fast food. I mean it’s not perfect but I don’t think it’s that bad either.

In comparison I eat much more restaurant food in Europe. I definitely drink more. I have chocolate croissants at breakfast multiple times a week. I have to buy more processed food because I’m traveling. On the face of it, my diet in Europe is worse not better. But yet I feel better there.

PP who put the link to the micro plastics, thank you. That is fascinating. I also read the whole Twitter thread above that I linked and a lot of people have similar experiences. At least it’s not just me. It drives me crazy!

No, I didn’t miss any posts. What you’re saying is that you eat differently in Europe and lose weight while you’re there, right? Seems to me you need to eat more like you do in Europe here before assuming it’s something like…plastics. I know it seems like you shouldn’t be experiencing this in the US since you eat so healthy and no chocolate croissants. It seems like you should consider adopting more what you’ve been eating in Europe first.

I think you need to be more open to the fact that you ARE eating differently in Europe while you’re there.

OP here. Eating more like I do in Europe means more bread, more desserts, more alcohol, more restaurant food, and more heavy sauces. I can’t see that leading to feeling better in the US. But I suppose I could try that. God knows I’d rather add chocolate croissants to my diet than remove gluten.

So when you’re in Europe on vacation you’re a total glutton? Or are you eating normal meals and splurging a little bit?

OP. I would not say total glutton. But I don’t really watch what I eat. I don’t stuff myself though. So normal but not particularly watching? Definitely more alcohol, more croissants, and more gelato.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reading this thread, I’ve thought about things like wheat and dairy, portion size and walking habits. Now I’m wondering if a crucial element might be something so ubiquitous that we don’t even think to look at it — like water (mineral content, additives, filtering methods) or salt ( amount, type, additives, processing methods) — that’s in pretty much everything, including animal feed or even organic agriculture.

Thinking further, are there things that people ingest as a matter of course in Europe that we don’t here. I’m thinking microbiome level. So in the US, we’re ingesting preservatives that they aren’t in Europe— but in Europe they’re ingesting things (yeasts, unpasteurized cheeses and dairy products, etc) that we’re not eating here.

Just thinking out loud here, but wondering if some of the differences are on a micro level.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reading this thread, I’ve thought about things like wheat and dairy, portion size and walking habits. Now I’m wondering if a crucial element might be something so ubiquitous that we don’t even think to look at it — like water (mineral content, additives, filtering methods) or salt ( amount, type, additives, processing methods) — that’s in pretty much everything, including animal feed or even organic agriculture.

Thinking further, are there things that people ingest as a matter of course in Europe that we don’t here. I’m thinking microbiome level. So in the US, we’re ingesting preservatives that they aren’t in Europe— but in Europe they’re ingesting things (yeasts, unpasteurized cheeses and dairy products, etc) that we’re not eating here.

Just thinking out loud here, but wondering if some of the differences are on a micro level.

Absolutely. Lots of people will take that personally and try to fat shame us, but there are oodles of anecdotes of people losing weight in Europe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Portions are WAY smaller in Europe, you walk much more and there isn’t this obsession with drinking water. Americans are drinking all day long, giant water jugs, diet soda, coffee, etc. They think „oh it doesn’t have calories!“ but it is constantly putting stuff in their mouth, in their stomach, and it makes them focus too much on food. We would benefit from a total reset of cup and plate sizes and stop dieting altogether. It just makes people obsess over putting food in their mouths.

You’re blaming water?!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agree and they just looks SO MUCH BETTER.

Really? They also smoke. A lot. Have you been to the Uk? No they don't look better, in fact age pretty rapidly. Scotland is the heart attack capital of the world.

Just stop. It's not gmos, not gluten. Stop. It's your own diet choices.

This.