Biden's VP?

[Anonymous]

New overview of the prospects, seems right to me:

https://newrepublic.com/article/158732/joe-biden-wants

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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DP. I’ve seen this ad on Pandora, and agree that it is a misleading fear tactic, and that Demings could set the record straight for the entire « defund » narrative and distinguish facts from lies. It is also wise to look at the narrative incumbent that needs to be countered. Last, I suspect much like no one expected the black turnout in 08, everyone will be surprised at the demographic for 2020. People are fed up, I still think youth are underestimated in their power, and more people care about getting trump out than anything else. Has there ever been an election where Republican voters urged other Republicans not to vote for the Republican incumbent? These are unprecedented times.

They are not underestimated. Youth traditionally show up at rallies and conventions, but they rarely turn up at the voting booth. It is always a surprise when the % of voters under 30 reaches 50% of the voter turnout for any other decade of age (30-39, 40-49, etc). In a presidential election year, the other decades are 50-70% and the under 30's are close to 30%. In non-presidential years the numbers are more like 40-60% and 20-25%.

They are frequently discounted, but most of them are worried about building their lives and their careers and just don't focus on voting in elections.

Youth have classes, jobs that aren’t flexible about giving you two hours off to vote and lack transportation. That’s part of their historically low voting rate. Except that it’s much easier this year to vote with mail in ballots. If the USPS doesn’t make a mess of this election, I would bet voting rates go way up across the board.

I’m betting the same.

I hope Biden makes Election Day an official government holiday.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting analysis of 3 contenders represented different wings of the party, Warren, Harris, and Bass:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/01/opinions/bidens-pick-for-vice-president-will-be-about-energizing-the-base-louis/index.html

I found this part interesting, hadn't thought about it this way:

"The recent emergence of Karen Bass would be a nod to the party's legislative power brokers, including Pelosi, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland and Rep. James Clyburn of South Carolina, all of whom are championing her candidacy. As chair of the Congressional Black Caucus, Bass could count on the help of incumbent lawmakers representing Black communities, where turnout needs to be high in November."

I assume they are championing her over Kamala because of her record of legislative leadership and accomplishments.

Interesting. Or they could be championing her so they can continue to serve in leadership into their 90s. Bass clearly is popular among her peers and would be well positioned to be a future Speaker or Majority Leader.

Presumably, any VP candidate would be able to count on incumbent lawmakers representing African American communities. Without Biden as president, the social justice legislation that Bass got through the House would have no chance of passing.

Is it possible that Senator Harris blocked any possibility of reform in the Senate because she did not want to give Bass a huge legislative win? There is nothing wrong with Harris being ambitious but she also seems like someone who might be willing to put her own interests ahead of party and policy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:New overview of the prospects, seems right to me:

https://newrepublic.com/article/158732/joe-biden-wants

I think this is the most accurate write up yet. I hold similar conclusions about each candidate. Especially the curiosity behind Grisham not being given more attention.

Again, my vote is for Joe, no matter where he goes or who he picks. I’ll follow him, and I trust his judgment, even amidst his aging. The only thing that makes me sad is the idea that he is preparing for a limited term, and even in this, putting country before himself or politics. People are super critical on mistakes as they should be, but once problems are actually solved and retributions made, I think black people are a little more forgiving of mistakes in politicians and pastors. With this list, the “problems” that could come up for almost anyone are no where near as horrific as Trump’s, and they could address it easily with honesty. The only exception to that I think is Warren, Rice and Harris, all whom I love in principle, but think are the most political and bring too much “baggage” with them for the diverse mix of voters that will surely fall under the Democrat’s tent this election.

Would love to hear about the cabinet picks, and I am finally getting hopeful about our recovery plan 01.20.21. Getting excited about public service and administration again! I know. Such a nerd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting analysis of 3 contenders represented different wings of the party, Warren, Harris, and Bass:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/01/opinions/bidens-pick-for-vice-president-will-be-about-energizing-the-base-louis/index.html

I found this part interesting, hadn't thought about it this way:

"The recent emergence of Karen Bass would be a nod to the party's legislative power brokers, including Pelosi, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland and Rep. James Clyburn of South Carolina, all of whom are championing her candidacy. As chair of the Congressional Black Caucus, Bass could count on the help of incumbent lawmakers representing Black communities, where turnout needs to be high in November."

I assume they are championing her over Kamala because of her record of legislative leadership and accomplishments.

Interesting. Or they could be championing her so they can continue to serve in leadership into their 90s. Bass clearly is popular among her peers and would be well positioned to be a future Speaker or Majority Leader.

Presumably, any VP candidate would be able to count on incumbent lawmakers representing African American communities. Without Biden as president, the social justice legislation that Bass got through the House would have no chance of passing.

Is it possible that Senator Harris blocked any possibility of reform in the Senate because she did not want to give Bass a huge legislative win? There is nothing wrong with Harris being ambitious but she also seems like someone who might be willing to put her own interests ahead of party and policy.

Wait, what? I wasn't aware of this. Harris blocked police reform in the Senate? I thought McConnell just refused to introduce it.

[Anonymous]

^^Why do I find myself the furthest thing I could be from
SHOCKED?^^

[Anonymous]

I still say it will be Harris!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I live in Ohio and all my mommy friends love Kamala Harris and can’t stand Elizabeth Warren.
I know I know... data point of one...

Interesting. Why do you think that is??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I still say it will be Harris!

Of course you do!

[Anonymous]

Fascinating analysis in the Daily Kos, the only one I've read so far that more deeply considers questions of short-term electability tactics vs. long-term governing value:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/8/1/1965856/-Why-does-Biden-s-VP-selection-matter?utm_campaign=recent


Top two picks with these considerations are Warren and Bass:

"In conclusion: any one of Harris, Warren, Duckworth or Bass will help Biden beat Trump this November, adding value in different ways and among different constituencies. But if one’s horizons stretch out four years rather than four months, a drastically different picture emerges, and the relative value-added follows a clear pattern: Warren > Bass > Harris > Duckworth > Rice. The VP pick matters not because it will appreciably change the outcome of this election, but because it will provide us insight into Biden’s long-term thinking. Indeed, into whether he even has a longer-term strategic calculus about revitalizing the Party and saving our democracy."

Notes Warren has the most transformative vision for long-term changes in the party that will bring young people in. I don't think she'll be the pick for all the reasons discussed on this thread, so was most interested in the Bass analysis. She has the most cross-constituency appeal within the party and could hold a unique ability to appeal to Latinx voters as well. Bass has four Latinx stepchildren and represents a 40% Latinx congressional district. (I also think there's a way to spin Cuba as an asset. She loves Cuba, has spent time there, rejected Castro's propaganda, visited political prisoners there, serves on a board giving pro-democracy grants there, and wants engagement in order to improve human rights issues).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting analysis of 3 contenders represented different wings of the party, Warren, Harris, and Bass:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/01/opinions/bidens-pick-for-vice-president-will-be-about-energizing-the-base-louis/index.html

I found this part interesting, hadn't thought about it this way:

"The recent emergence of Karen Bass would be a nod to the party's legislative power brokers, including Pelosi, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland and Rep. James Clyburn of South Carolina, all of whom are championing her candidacy. As chair of the Congressional Black Caucus, Bass could count on the help of incumbent lawmakers representing Black communities, where turnout needs to be high in November."

I assume they are championing her over Kamala because of her record of legislative leadership and accomplishments.

Interesting. Or they could be championing her so they can continue to serve in leadership into their 90s. Bass clearly is popular among her peers and would be well positioned to be a future Speaker or Majority Leader.

Presumably, any VP candidate would be able to count on incumbent lawmakers representing African American communities. Without Biden as president, the social justice legislation that Bass got through the House would have no chance of passing.

Is it possible that Senator Harris blocked any possibility of reform in the Senate because she did not want to give Bass a huge legislative win? There is nothing wrong with Harris being ambitious but she also seems like someone who might be willing to put her own interests ahead of party and policy.

Wait, what? I wasn't aware of this. Harris blocked police reform in the Senate? I thought McConnell just refused to introduce it.

Can someone please provide a link, because this is huge!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live in Ohio and all my mommy friends love Kamala Harris and can’t stand Elizabeth Warren.
I know I know... data point of one...

Interesting. Why do you think that is??

Not PP, but in terms of not liking Warren it is a fairly common sentiment. She finished third in her home state and has consistently scored poorly in Senate measures of popularity versus baseline for her home state. Warren also won just around 10% of the vote and finished a weak fourth in the neighboring state of New Hampshire. Her national aspirations should be put to rest soon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live in Ohio and all my mommy friends love Kamala Harris and can’t stand Elizabeth Warren.
I know I know... data point of one...

Interesting. Why do you think that is??

Not PP, but in terms of not liking Warren it is a fairly common sentiment. She finished third in her home state and has consistently scored poorly in Senate measures of popularity versus baseline for her home state. Warren also won just around 10% of the vote and finished a weak fourth in the neighboring state of New Hampshire. Her national aspirations should be put to rest soon.

I LOVE Warren but I recognized this very early in the race and focused instead on electability AND likelihood of successful repair post-Trump, and not solely personal preference.

[Anonymous]

Oh my god, I just can’t 🤣🤣🤣🤣

https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-campaign-says-he-is-so-close-to-a-vp-pick-he-can-smell-her

[Anonymous]

Yet another glowing Bass article:

https://apnews.com/97f619d33c6bbb208b3aebb4e8178b0b

Love that she put the kibosh on Schwarzenegger's cigar boys club meetings.