Biden's VP?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Crossover voters/Purple states
Yes- Duckworth, Whitmer, Demings, Baldwin
No- Rice, Bass, Harris
I think Warren is very smart but too left for those voters on the fence.

Val Demings seems excellent: an ex-cop (and married to a cop), attractive, from a crossover state.

I don't believe her qualifications are sufficient at this point, but I agree with the rest.

The determination needs to be made as to which is most important: Black turnout or swing votes. Is the risk in depressing turnout if a non-Black running mate is chosen worth getting some purple voters? If the former, non-cop and community activist Bass is the best bet. If the latter, Duckworth, Whitmer, or Baldwin. I don't know what the numbers are there, but I'm sure Biden's campaign does.

We know for sure he does not need to worry about California. Harris and Bass have things that could hurt him as does Rice. He needs those states back that Trump won. He needs people that are on the fence. Duckworth has served and sacrificed and is from the Midwest. Baldwin and Whitmer are also strong in the Midwest. Demings could bring voters together on a very upsetting summer to heal wounds. I see ads running now by Republicans that has an older woman in her house alone and someone is breaking in. She tries to call the police but they are not available. This ad is playing on the fears of what defunding the police could mean. A fear tactic that could work on some voters. Demings could negate this tactic. She seems like a strong woman.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Crossover voters/Purple states
Yes- Duckworth, Whitmer, Demings, Baldwin
No- Rice, Bass, Harris
I think Warren is very smart but too left for those voters on the fence.

Val Demings seems excellent: an ex-cop (and married to a cop), attractive, from a crossover state.

+1
She benefits from not being a total creature of the DC Democrats’ bubble. Definitely someone the smarter Democrats should support going forward, whether or not she’s the ticket’s VP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Crossover voters/Purple states
Yes- Duckworth, Whitmer, Demings, Baldwin
No- Rice, Bass, Harris
I think Warren is very smart but too left for those voters on the fence.

Val Demings seems excellent: an ex-cop (and married to a cop), attractive, from a crossover state.

I don't believe her qualifications are sufficient at this point, but I agree with the rest.

The determination needs to be made as to which is most important: Black turnout or swing votes. Is the risk in depressing turnout if a non-Black running mate is chosen worth getting some purple voters? If the former, non-cop and community activist Bass is the best bet. If the latter, Duckworth, Whitmer, or Baldwin. I don't know what the numbers are there, but I'm sure Biden's campaign does.

We know for sure he does not need to worry about California. Harris and Bass have things that could hurt him as does Rice. He needs those states back that Trump won. He needs people that are on the fence. Duckworth has served and sacrificed and is from the Midwest. Baldwin and Whitmer are also strong in the Midwest. Demings could bring voters together on a very upsetting summer to heal wounds. I see ads running now by Republicans that has an older woman in her house alone and someone is breaking in. She tries to call the police but they are not available. This ad is playing on the fears of what defunding the police could mean. A fear tactic that could work on some voters. Demings could negate this tactic. She seems like a strong woman.

DP. I’ve seen this ad on Pandora, and agree that it is a misleading fear tactic, and that Demings could set the record straight for the entire « defund » narrative and distinguish facts from lies. It is also wise to look at the narrative incumbent that needs to be countered. Last, I suspect much like no one expected the black turnout in 08, everyone will be surprised at the demographic for 2020. People are fed up, I still think youth are underestimated in their power, and more people care about getting trump out than anything else. Has there ever been an election where Republican voters urged other Republicans not to vote for the Republican incumbent? These are unprecedented times.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Crossover voters/Purple states
Yes- Duckworth, Whitmer, Demings, Baldwin
No- Rice, Bass, Harris
I think Warren is very smart but too left for those voters on the fence.

Val Demings seems excellent: an ex-cop (and married to a cop), attractive, from a crossover state.

I don't believe her qualifications are sufficient at this point, but I agree with the rest.

The determination needs to be made as to which is most important: Black turnout or swing votes. Is the risk in depressing turnout if a non-Black running mate is chosen worth getting some purple voters? If the former, non-cop and community activist Bass is the best bet. If the latter, Duckworth, Whitmer, or Baldwin. I don't know what the numbers are there, but I'm sure Biden's campaign does.

We know for sure he does not need to worry about California. Harris and Bass have things that could hurt him as does Rice. He needs those states back that Trump won. He needs people that are on the fence. Duckworth has served and sacrificed and is from the Midwest. Baldwin and Whitmer are also strong in the Midwest. Demings could bring voters together on a very upsetting summer to heal wounds. I see ads running now by Republicans that has an older woman in her house alone and someone is breaking in. She tries to call the police but they are not available. This ad is playing on the fears of what defunding the police could mean. A fear tactic that could work on some voters. Demings could negate this tactic. She seems like a strong woman.

I like Demings but she is associated with police brutality in her time as police chief, several recent articles on that. This again speaks to Black voters versus purple voters, though there could be some crossover in her case. I also think a term in the House, with no legislative accomplishments, is not adequate preparation.

Anyway, I think it's interesting Jim Clyburn recently reiterated the pick need not be Black, said he's more concerned about a Black woman SC appointment. Also said the VP need not necessarily be the best governing choice (VPs can contribute a lot or a little), electability is most important. So he's giving the campaign space to figure this out. I hope they do and don't rely on Joe's "gut." I don't trust him not to blow it with a pick he doesn't realize in his little bubble is the wrong one.

[Anonymous]

*heard the ad on Pandora. Saw it on Hulu.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Crossover voters/Purple states
Yes- Duckworth, Whitmer, Demings, Baldwin
No- Rice, Bass, Harris
I think Warren is very smart but too left for those voters on the fence.

Val Demings seems excellent: an ex-cop (and married to a cop), attractive, from a crossover state.

I don't believe her qualifications are sufficient at this point, but I agree with the rest.

The determination needs to be made as to which is most important: Black turnout or swing votes. Is the risk in depressing turnout if a non-Black running mate is chosen worth getting some purple voters? If the former, non-cop and community activist Bass is the best bet. If the latter, Duckworth, Whitmer, or Baldwin. I don't know what the numbers are there, but I'm sure Biden's campaign does.

We know for sure he does not need to worry about California. Harris and Bass have things that could hurt him as does Rice. He needs those states back that Trump won. He needs people that are on the fence. Duckworth has served and sacrificed and is from the Midwest. Baldwin and Whitmer are also strong in the Midwest. Demings could bring voters together on a very upsetting summer to heal wounds. I see ads running now by Republicans that has an older woman in her house alone and someone is breaking in. She tries to call the police but they are not available. This ad is playing on the fears of what defunding the police could mean. A fear tactic that could work on some voters. Demings could negate this tactic. She seems like a strong woman.

I like Demings but she is associated with police brutality in her time as police chief, several recent articles on that. This again speaks to Black voters versus purple voters, though there could be some crossover in her case. I also think a term in the House, with no legislative accomplishments, is not adequate preparation.

Anyway, I think it's interesting Jim Clyburn recently reiterated the pick need not be Black, said he's more concerned about a Black woman SC appointment. Also said the VP need not necessarily be the best governing choice (VPs can contribute a lot or a little), electability is most important. So he's giving the campaign space to figure this out. I hope they do and don't rely on Joe's "gut." I don't trust him not to blow it with a pick he doesn't realize in his little bubble is the wrong one.

The Clyburn video is in this article: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/510029-clyburn-biden-needs-vp-pick-who-has-a-lot-of-passion

[Anonymous]

Anyway, I think it's interesting Jim Clyburn recently reiterated the pick need not be Black, said he's more concerned about a Black woman SC appointment. Also said the VP need not necessarily be the best governing choice (VPs can contribute a lot or a little), electability is most important. So he's giving the campaign space to figure this out. I hope they do and don't rely on Joe's "gut." I don't trust him not to blow it with a pick he doesn't realize in his little bubble is the wrong one.

Not sure Clyburn is correct on this. With Biden looking "out of it" at times, I think governing ability would be front and center.
signed, Republican

[Anonymous]

I live in Ohio and all my mommy friends love Kamala Harris and can’t stand Elizabeth Warren.
I know I know... data point of one...

[Anonymous]

https://nypost.com/2020/08/01/joe-biden-delays-vp-announcement-another-week/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow

Says another week or so.......
Wonder if it was Bass until the Scientology thing came out......

[Anonymous]

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DP. I’ve seen this ad on Pandora, and agree that it is a misleading fear tactic, and that Demings could set the record straight for the entire « defund » narrative and distinguish facts from lies. It is also wise to look at the narrative incumbent that needs to be countered. Last, I suspect much like no one expected the black turnout in 08, everyone will be surprised at the demographic for 2020. People are fed up, I still think youth are underestimated in their power, and more people care about getting trump out than anything else. Has there ever been an election where Republican voters urged other Republicans not to vote for the Republican incumbent? These are unprecedented times.

They are not underestimated. Youth traditionally show up at rallies and conventions, but they rarely turn up at the voting booth. It is always a surprise when the % of voters under 30 reaches 50% of the voter turnout for any other decade of age (30-39, 40-49, etc). In a presidential election year, the other decades are 50-70% and the under 30's are close to 30%. In non-presidential years the numbers are more like 40-60% and 20-25%.

They are frequently discounted, but most of them are worried about building their lives and their careers and just don't focus on voting in elections.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anyway, I think it's interesting Jim Clyburn recently reiterated the pick need not be Black, said he's more concerned about a Black woman SC appointment. Also said the VP need not necessarily be the best governing choice (VPs can contribute a lot or a little), electability is most important. So he's giving the campaign space to figure this out. I hope they do and don't rely on Joe's "gut." I don't trust him not to blow it with a pick he doesn't realize in his little bubble is the wrong one.

Not sure Clyburn is correct on this. With Biden looking "out of it" at times, I think governing ability would be front and center.
signed, Republican

Oh I agree. Joe has been clear about wanting a good governing partner and his admin is going to have one whopper of a mess to clean up. But Clyburn has a lot of influence so I wonder. This article makes me think he's pulling for Bottoms or Harris.

[Anonymous]

Interesting analysis of 3 contenders represented different wings of the party, Warren, Harris, and Bass:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/01/opinions/bidens-pick-for-vice-president-will-be-about-energizing-the-base-louis/index.html

[Anonymous]

Maybe I'm old-fashioned but I like feeling inspired by my candidates. I only feel inspired by two of them, Tammy Duckworth and Karen Bass:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/01/us/politics/tammy-duckworth-biden-vp.html

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/07/31/karen-bass-vp-candidate-los-angeles-388430


But at this point I find the speculation exhausting and really would like him to just get on with it. I'll be voting blue no matter who.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
DP. I’ve seen this ad on Pandora, and agree that it is a misleading fear tactic, and that Demings could set the record straight for the entire « defund » narrative and distinguish facts from lies. It is also wise to look at the narrative incumbent that needs to be countered. Last, I suspect much like no one expected the black turnout in 08, everyone will be surprised at the demographic for 2020. People are fed up, I still think youth are underestimated in their power, and more people care about getting trump out than anything else. Has there ever been an election where Republican voters urged other Republicans not to vote for the Republican incumbent? These are unprecedented times.

They are not underestimated. Youth traditionally show up at rallies and conventions, but they rarely turn up at the voting booth. It is always a surprise when the % of voters under 30 reaches 50% of the voter turnout for any other decade of age (30-39, 40-49, etc). In a presidential election year, the other decades are 50-70% and the under 30's are close to 30%. In non-presidential years the numbers are more like 40-60% and 20-25%.

They are frequently discounted, but most of them are worried about building their lives and their careers and just don't focus on voting in elections.

Youth have classes, jobs that aren’t flexible about giving you two hours off to vote and lack transportation. That’s part of their historically low voting rate. Except that it’s much easier this year to vote with mail in ballots. If the USPS doesn’t make a mess of this election, I would bet voting rates go way up across the board.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting analysis of 3 contenders represented different wings of the party, Warren, Harris, and Bass:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/01/opinions/bidens-pick-for-vice-president-will-be-about-energizing-the-base-louis/index.html

I found this part interesting, hadn't thought about it this way:

"The recent emergence of Karen Bass would be a nod to the party's legislative power brokers, including Pelosi, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland and Rep. James Clyburn of South Carolina, all of whom are championing her candidacy. As chair of the Congressional Black Caucus, Bass could count on the help of incumbent lawmakers representing Black communities, where turnout needs to be high in November."

I assume they are championing her over Kamala because of her record of legislative leadership and accomplishments.