Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For the groupings, the groups are in their most competitive group. The wins a team has made has counted towards their rank. Like somebody else said too, these are no longer a club's A team.

For example, PWSI Red team below U11 was their A team. Now their A team plays NPL and their ReD team is essentially their secon team, but with the birth year changes it is completely different than last year's second team.

For VISTA Barcelona, I happen to know that they have won most of their games, hence they are in the top group, but with other club's 2nd or 3rd yeam.

There's always a potential for blowouts, it's youth soccer, but the groups do make sense to me in that they were made by grouping the teams have the best records in NCSL.

The current divisions were NOT created by tiering them based on the teams with the most wins. My son played U9 last year, so I know a bit about the U9 teams. I don't know much about the U10s, so I can't really make an educated guess as to which 2006 teams will be the strongest but, if you are talking about VISTA U9s. Sure they got wins last season, but they played clubs' 3rd teams mostly during league play. Not by choice I'm sure, but, because they (and Burke) only had one U9 team, this is how the schedule worked out. But again, look at VISTA's division. They are in the same division as PAC's "B" team. PAC's U9 B team may never have won a game. I'm not sure. I agree with the poster that says the divisions were created by putting only a few "good" (when I say "good" obviously that's subjective) teams in each group, so that the league can start getting a sense of who the better teams are for when they do start the pro-rel divisions next year.

Question: How does pro-rel work in NCSL? How many teams are relegated and how many are promoted per division each season? Thanks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the groupings, the groups are in their most competitive group. The wins a team has made has counted towards their rank. Like somebody else said too, these are no longer a club's A team.

For example, PWSI Red team below U11 was their A team. Now their A team plays NPL and their ReD team is essentially their secon team, but with the birth year changes it is completely different than last year's second team.

For VISTA Barcelona, I happen to know that they have won most of their games, hence they are in the top group, but with other club's 2nd or 3rd yeam.

There's always a potential for blowouts, it's youth soccer, but the groups do make sense to me in that they were made by grouping the teams have the best records in NCSL.

The current divisions were NOT created by tiering them based on the teams with the most wins. My son played U9 last year, so I know a bit about the U9 teams. I don't know much about the U10s, so I can't really make an educated guess as to which 2006 teams will be the strongest but, if you are talking about VISTA U9s. Sure they got wins last season, but they played clubs' 3rd teams mostly during league play. Not by choice I'm sure, but, because they (and Burke) only had one U9 team, this is how the schedule worked out. But again, look at VISTA's division. They are in the same division as PAC's "B" team. PAC's U9 B team may never have won a game. I'm not sure. I agree with the poster that says the divisions were created by putting only a few "good" (when I say "good" obviously that's subjective) teams in each group, so that the league can start getting a sense of who the better teams are for when they do start the pro-rel divisions next year.

Question: How does pro-rel work in NCSL? How many teams are relegated and how many are promoted per division each season? Thanks

Based on my experience as a parent of a player on a team that was relegated and promoted several times in NCSL, there is no pre-determined number of teams that are promoted and relegated from each division. However, generally speaking if your team averages 1 point or better per game (i.e. 9 points or more per 9 game season) you would not have to fear being relegated. It does depend, however, on the results of the league below and above you. If the division below yours has three teams that dominated the division by a wide margin, then the three lowest teams in your division may be relegated (even if one of those teams finished with 9 or 10 points).

When you get to U13 and clubs have to merge teams in order to play 11 v 11 many teams "disappear" from NCSL and as a result there could be 5 or 6 teams "promoted" to the next higher division.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For the groupings, the groups are in their most competitive group. The wins a team has made has counted towards their rank. Like somebody else said too, these are no longer a club's A team.

For example, PWSI Red team below U11 was their A team. Now their A team plays NPL and their ReD team is essentially their secon team, but with the birth year changes it is completely different than last year's second team.

For VISTA Barcelona, I happen to know that they have won most of their games, hence they are in the top group, but with other club's 2nd or 3rd yeam.

There's always a potential for blowouts, it's youth soccer, but the groups do make sense to me in that they were made by grouping the teams have the best records in NCSL.

Everyone here cares about your team about as much as you would care to hear about my kids team. Speak in general terms, nobody cares about VISTA Barcelona or any other team but the one their kid is on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the groupings, the groups are in their most competitive group. The wins a team has made has counted towards their rank. Like somebody else said too, these are no longer a club's A team.

For example, PWSI Red team below U11 was their A team. Now their A team plays NPL and their ReD team is essentially their secon team, but with the birth year changes it is completely different than last year's second team.

For VISTA Barcelona, I happen to know that they have won most of their games, hence they are in the top group, but with other club's 2nd or 3rd yeam.

There's always a potential for blowouts, it's youth soccer, but the groups do make sense to me in that they were made by grouping the teams have the best records in NCSL.

The current divisions were NOT created by tiering them based on the teams with the most wins. My son played U9 last year, so I know a bit about the U9 teams. I don't know much about the U10s, so I can't really make an educated guess as to which 2006 teams will be the strongest but, if you are talking about VISTA U9s. Sure they got wins last season, but they played clubs' 3rd teams mostly during league play. Not by choice I'm sure, but, because they (and Burke) only had one U9 team, this is how the schedule worked out. But again, look at VISTA's division. They are in the same division as PAC's "B" team. PAC's U9 B team may never have won a game. I'm not sure. I agree with the poster that says the divisions were created by putting only a few "good" (when I say "good" obviously that's subjective) teams in each group, so that the league can start getting a sense of who the better teams are for when they do start the pro-rel divisions next year.

Question: How does pro-rel work in NCSL? How many teams are relegated and how many are promoted per division each season? Thanks

There is no pro/relegation for U9-U10. And again, there is no reason to mention your team to ask this question.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the groupings, the groups are in their most competitive group. The wins a team has made has counted towards their rank. Like somebody else said too, these are no longer a club's A team.

For example, PWSI Red team below U11 was their A team. Now their A team plays NPL and their ReD team is essentially their secon team, but with the birth year changes it is completely different than last year's second team.

For VISTA Barcelona, I happen to know that they have won most of their games, hence they are in the top group, but with other club's 2nd or 3rd yeam.

There's always a potential for blowouts, it's youth soccer, but the groups do make sense to me in that they were made by grouping the teams have the best records in NCSL.

Everyone here cares about your team about as much as you would care to hear about my kids team. Speak in general terms, nobody cares about VISTA Barcelona or any other team but the one their kid is on.

Some of the posters here are interested to hear about specific teams or find it useful in figuring out division structures. You shouldn't presume that your lack of interest applies to everyone else.

[Anonymous]

Yes, not at U9-U11. How does it work at U12 and older?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the groupings, the groups are in their most competitive group. The wins a team has made has counted towards their rank. Like somebody else said too, these are no longer a club's A team.

For example, PWSI Red team below U11 was their A team. Now their A team plays NPL and their ReD team is essentially their secon team, but with the birth year changes it is completely different than last year's second team.

For VISTA Barcelona, I happen to know that they have won most of their games, hence they are in the top group, but with other club's 2nd or 3rd yeam.

There's always a potential for blowouts, it's youth soccer, but the groups do make sense to me in that they were made by grouping the teams have the best records in NCSL.

Everyone here cares about your team about as much as you would care to hear about my kids team. Speak in general terms, nobody cares about VISTA Barcelona or any other team but the one their kid is on.

Some of the posters here are interested to hear about specific teams or find it useful in figuring out division structures. You shouldn't presume that your lack of interest applies to everyone else.

No, actually they don't care. Division structures around U12 are based on record. That is pretty easy to figure out. There are no division structures at U9 or U10 beyond club reputation. Likely, most of the structures at this age are simply based on simple geography in order to reduce travel.

Claiming that VISTA Barcelona or any team is some form of Rosetta Stone in deciphering the divisions is silly and is really only amounting to humble bragging. Congrats, your U9 team won some soccer games.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the groupings, the groups are in their most competitive group. The wins a team has made has counted towards their rank. Like somebody else said too, these are no longer a club's A team.

For example, PWSI Red team below U11 was their A team. Now their A team plays NPL and their ReD team is essentially their secon team, but with the birth year changes it is completely different than last year's second team.

For VISTA Barcelona, I happen to know that they have won most of their games, hence they are in the top group, but with other club's 2nd or 3rd yeam.

There's always a potential for blowouts, it's youth soccer, but the groups do make sense to me in that they were made by grouping the teams have the best records in NCSL.

Everyone here cares about your team about as much as you would care to hear about my kids team. Speak in general terms, nobody cares about VISTA Barcelona or any other team but the one their kid is on.

Some of the posters here are interested to hear about specific teams or find it useful in figuring out division structures. You shouldn't presume that your lack of interest applies to everyone else.

No, actually they don't care. Division structures around U12 are based on record. That is pretty easy to figure out. There are no division structures at U9 or U10 beyond club reputation. Likely, most of the structures at this age are simply based on simple geography in order to reduce travel.

Claiming that VISTA Barcelona or any team is some form of Rosetta Stone in deciphering the divisions is silly and is really only amounting to humble bragging. Congrats, your U9 team won some soccer games.

Well--this year the teams are all different. I know my sons took a big hit with the talent that is gone due to birth year. I've seen the team in practice and they are nowhere as strong as the team the record was based on. I think things will be all over the place. Divisions will really need to be restructured once it all falls out. If take this fall placement for U12 with a grain of salt. I see some teams placed a few divisions below us actually beat us in a Memorial Day tournament. But, again, who knows of that team will be remotely the same this Fall. We only have 5 out of 12 of the same players.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the groupings, the groups are in their most competitive group. The wins a team has made has counted towards their rank. Like somebody else said too, these are no longer a club's A team.

For example, PWSI Red team below U11 was their A team. Now their A team plays NPL and their ReD team is essentially their secon team, but with the birth year changes it is completely different than last year's second team.

For VISTA Barcelona, I happen to know that they have won most of their games, hence they are in the top group, but with other club's 2nd or 3rd yeam.

There's always a potential for blowouts, it's youth soccer, but the groups do make sense to me in that they were made by grouping the teams have the best records in NCSL.

Everyone here cares about your team about as much as you would care to hear about my kids team. Speak in general terms, nobody cares about VISTA Barcelona or any other team but the one their kid is on.

Some of the posters here are interested to hear about specific teams or find it useful in figuring out division structures. You shouldn't presume that your lack of interest applies to everyone else.

No, actually they don't care. Division structures around U12 are based on record. That is pretty easy to figure out. There are no division structures at U9 or U10 beyond club reputation. Likely, most of the structures at this age are simply based on simple geography in order to reduce travel.

Claiming that VISTA Barcelona or any team is some form of Rosetta Stone in deciphering the divisions is silly and is really only amounting to humble bragging. Congrats, your U9 team won some soccer games.

Well--this year the teams are all different. I know my sons took a big hit with the talent that is gone due to birth year. I've seen the team in practice and they are nowhere as strong as the team the record was based on. I think things will be all over the place. Divisions will really need to be restructured once it all falls out. If take this fall placement for U12 with a grain of salt. I see some teams placed a few divisions below us actually beat us in a Memorial Day tournament. But, again, who knows of that team will be remotely the same this Fall. We only have 5 out of 12 of the same players.

And frankly most teams are in the same boat, yet it doesn't change the fact that there is no seeding at u11 and younger.

But, if one was to make an analogy to how Gotsoccer handles team transitions the leagues will likely maintain previous held division structures for teams that carried over at least 50% of their roster from the previous year. Other teams will be considered "new" and would have to start from scratch in the fall and play for placement in the spring season, just like any other year.

[Anonymous]

It's not just BRYC. I know, personally, of several kids that were cut from a different club U10 year, U11 year, U12 year. Cut from the club entirely. And I can assure you it had nothing to do with the parents.

Frankly, there were better players at tryouts. That's how it should be - the better players make the team. 2K doesn't guarantee you a spot for the future.

However, it sort of speaks to the club's development when a kid that they developed for 2-3 years doesn't have the skill set to make it and some kid from outside does. I would think if things were equal, the nod would go to the homegrown kid. I've seen a kid make a U11 team with only one year of rec experience, and others that had 2 years of travel didn't make it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's not just BRYC. I know, personally, of several kids that were cut from a different club U10 year, U11 year, U12 year. Cut from the club entirely. And I can assure you it had nothing to do with the parents.

Frankly, there were better players at tryouts. That's how it should be - the better players make the team. 2K doesn't guarantee you a spot for the future.

However, it sort of speaks to the club's development when a kid that they developed for 2-3 years doesn't have the skill set to make it and some kid from outside does. I would think if things were equal, the nod would go to the homegrown kid. I've seen a kid make a U11 team with only one year of rec experience, and others that had 2 years of travel didn't make it.

Which suggests that at a certain point, talent will out and paying for all the training in the world won't make a difference. Why do so many parents seem to think that if they buy into the paid training of travel early, their kids will be set?

My youngest son has been playing travel for years...at his insistence, not ours, as we'd happily save the money. He's athletic and fairly good, but unlikely to play past high school despite the reams of mailings, emails etc. we get from College ID camps each year. Meanwhile, parents of some of his teammates have been filming their less athletic kids for since 8th grade to make a "recruiting" tape. It's madness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's not just BRYC. I know, personally, of several kids that were cut from a different club U10 year, U11 year, U12 year. Cut from the club entirely. And I can assure you it had nothing to do with the parents.

Frankly, there were better players at tryouts. That's how it should be - the better players make the team. 2K doesn't guarantee you a spot for the future.

However, it sort of speaks to the club's development when a kid that they developed for 2-3 years doesn't have the skill set to make it and some kid from outside does. I would think if things were equal, the nod would go to the homegrown kid. I've seen a kid make a U11 team with only one year of rec experience, and others that had 2 years of travel didn't make it.

I still find kids being "cut" entirely from the club dubious. If the kid was on the A team they are not simply cut from the club. They are "demoted" or placed on the B team. More often than not, this demotion humiliates the parents and they then leave the club in search of a team/club that appreciates their kid more.

Leaving a club is not the same as being cut from the club. Not making the A team and being placed on the B team is also, not being "cut" from the club.

[Anonymous]

If I am paying $2K a year for my kid to play soccer at BRYC. I expect them to make unbiased decisions as to who should be on the "A" team, on the "B" team, etc. I don't care if you are homegrown or not. If your kid isn't keeping up, then he gets replaced. How far he falls is on him. There's always rec. If a kid is on a team and doesn't deserve to be there and the coach keeps him there...now that is WRONG!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If I am paying $2K a year for my kid to play soccer at BRYC. I expect them to make unbiased decisions as to who should be on the "A" team, on the "B" team, etc. I don't care if you are homegrown or not. If your kid isn't keeping up, then he gets replaced. How far he falls is on him. There's always rec. If a kid is on a team and doesn't deserve to be there and the coach keeps him there...now that is WRONG!

Exactly, and those who do not like the placement of their kid after tryouts are free to leave, but don't act like they were "cut" from the club.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not just BRYC. I know, personally, of several kids that were cut from a different club U10 year, U11 year, U12 year. Cut from the club entirely. And I can assure you it had nothing to do with the parents.

Frankly, there were better players at tryouts. That's how it should be - the better players make the team. 2K doesn't guarantee you a spot for the future.

However, it sort of speaks to the club's development when a kid that they developed for 2-3 years doesn't have the skill set to make it and some kid from outside does. I would think if things were equal, the nod would go to the homegrown kid. I've seen a kid make a U11 team with only one year of rec experience, and others that had 2 years of travel didn't make it.

I still find kids being "cut" entirely from the club dubious. If the kid was on the A team they are not simply cut from the club. They are "demoted" or placed on the B team. More often than not, this demotion humiliates the parents and they then leave the club in search of a team/club that appreciates their kid more.

Leaving a club is not the same as being cut from the club. Not making the A team and being placed on the B team is also, not being "cut" from the club.

I don't know what to tell you. I understand English and am using "cut from the club" in the literal way. And again, I don't understand why a parent would say his or her kid got cut (or why a kid would say it himself) if he or she did not in fact get cut. If the kid was demoted and the parent was embarrassed, the parent would just say they were looking for something better.