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Anonymous wrote:It's not just BRYC. I know, personally, of several kids that were cut from a different club U10 year, U11 year, U12 year. Cut from the club entirely. And I can assure you it had nothing to do with the parents.

Frankly, there were better players at tryouts. That's how it should be - the better players make the team. 2K doesn't guarantee you a spot for the future.

However, it sort of speaks to the club's development when a kid that they developed for 2-3 years doesn't have the skill set to make it and some kid from outside does. I would think if things were equal, the nod would go to the homegrown kid. I've seen a kid make a U11 team with only one year of rec experience, and others that had 2 years of travel didn't make it.

I still find kids being "cut" entirely from the club dubious. If the kid was on the A team they are not simply cut from the club. They are "demoted" or placed on the B team. More often than not, this demotion humiliates the parents and they then leave the club in search of a team/club that appreciates their kid more.

Leaving a club is not the same as being cut from the club. Not making the A team and being placed on the B team is also, not being "cut" from the club.

I don't know what to tell you. I understand English and am using "cut from the club" in the literal way. And again, I don't understand why a parent would say his or her kid got cut (or why a kid would say it himself) if he or she did not in fact get cut. If the kid was demoted and the parent was embarrassed, the parent would just say they were looking for something better.

I explained a few scenarios this year how it could happen. But I'm telling you that unless the kid was on the lowest team in the club they were NOT cut from the club. I don't believe you understand the difference between "we do not have a spot for you on the A team but we do have a spot for you on the B team" and "we have no team at any level in this club for your kid to play on"

And since your statement of BRYC Club practices is based on hearsay I think I'll let my experience with club soccer guide me in terms of what most likely happened. And what most likely happened is the kid did not make the particular team in the club and they left. They may have left out of ego or their kid would simply not be challenged enough on the B team but that is NOT what I would call being "CUT" by the club.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not just BRYC. I know, personally, of several kids that were cut from a different club U10 year, U11 year, U12 year. Cut from the club entirely. And I can assure you it had nothing to do with the parents.

Frankly, there were better players at tryouts. That's how it should be - the better players make the team. 2K doesn't guarantee you a spot for the future.

However, it sort of speaks to the club's development when a kid that they developed for 2-3 years doesn't have the skill set to make it and some kid from outside does. I would think if things were equal, the nod would go to the homegrown kid. I've seen a kid make a U11 team with only one year of rec experience, and others that had 2 years of travel didn't make it.

I still find kids being "cut" entirely from the club dubious. If the kid was on the A team they are not simply cut from the club. They are "demoted" or placed on the B team. More often than not, this demotion humiliates the parents and they then leave the club in search of a team/club that appreciates their kid more.

Leaving a club is not the same as being cut from the club. Not making the A team and being placed on the B team is also, not being "cut" from the club.

I don't know what to tell you. I understand English and am using "cut from the club" in the literal way. And again, I don't understand why a parent would say his or her kid got cut (or why a kid would say it himself) if he or she did not in fact get cut. If the kid was demoted and the parent was embarrassed, the parent would just say they were looking for something better.

I explained a few scenarios this year how it could happen. But I'm telling you that unless the kid was on the lowest team in the club they were NOT cut from the club. I don't believe you understand the difference between "we do not have a spot for you on the A team but we do have a spot for you on the B team" and "we have no team at any level in this club for your kid to play on"

And since your statement of BRYC Club practices is based on hearsay I think I'll let my experience with club soccer guide me in terms of what most likely happened. And what most likely happened is the kid did not make the particular team in the club and they left. They may have left out of ego or their kid would simply not be challenged enough on the B team but that is NOT what I would call being "CUT" by the club.

I assure you, I understand the difference. In both cases, these kids were not on the A team last year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not just BRYC. I know, personally, of several kids that were cut from a different club U10 year, U11 year, U12 year. Cut from the club entirely. And I can assure you it had nothing to do with the parents.

Frankly, there were better players at tryouts. That's how it should be - the better players make the team. 2K doesn't guarantee you a spot for the future.

However, it sort of speaks to the club's development when a kid that they developed for 2-3 years doesn't have the skill set to make it and some kid from outside does. I would think if things were equal, the nod would go to the homegrown kid. I've seen a kid make a U11 team with only one year of rec experience, and others that had 2 years of travel didn't make it.

I still find kids being "cut" entirely from the club dubious. If the kid was on the A team they are not simply cut from the club. They are "demoted" or placed on the B team. More often than not, this demotion humiliates the parents and they then leave the club in search of a team/club that appreciates their kid more.

Leaving a club is not the same as being cut from the club. Not making the A team and being placed on the B team is also, not being "cut" from the club.

I don't know what to tell you. I understand English and am using "cut from the club" in the literal way. And again, I don't understand why a parent would say his or her kid got cut (or why a kid would say it himself) if he or she did not in fact get cut. If the kid was demoted and the parent was embarrassed, the parent would just say they were looking for something better.

I explained a few scenarios this year how it could happen. But I'm telling you that unless the kid was on the lowest team in the club they were NOT cut from the club. I don't believe you understand the difference between "we do not have a spot for you on the A team but we do have a spot for you on the B team" and "we have no team at any level in this club for your kid to play on"

And since your statement of BRYC Club practices is based on hearsay I think I'll let my experience with club soccer guide me in terms of what most likely happened. And what most likely happened is the kid did not make the particular team in the club and they left. They may have left out of ego or their kid would simply not be challenged enough on the B team but that is NOT what I would call being "CUT" by the club.

I assure you, I understand the difference. In both cases, these kids were not on the A team last year.

Then they were on the last team, the last stop, the last rung. Get the picture? That isn't a club policy thing, that is called attrition and they simply didn't cut it at that club this year. Also, considering the age change some clubs/teams saw kids leave due to being split by age and numbers not working out. Other clubs saw a great influx of players from smaller clubs that were at risk of not having enough kids to field a team. This was not BRYC or any clubs fault.

They can either hook on with another club, play rec, get some training on the side or any combination of the above.

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Curious, what did they end up doing? Did they put all their eggs in one basket w BRYC? Are they playing Rec? Were other kids also cut or were they not aware of their kid's true abilities to notice that their level had dipped below their peers.

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Anonymous wrote:Curious, what did they end up doing? Did they put all their eggs in one basket w BRYC? Are they playing Rec? Were other kids also cut or were they not aware of their kid's true abilities to notice that their level had dipped below their peers.

Don't you read English? They were cut! Cut because that is what BRYC does! They Cut kids.

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Don't you read English? They were cut! Cut because that is what McLean does! They Cut kids.

Don't you read English? They were cut! Cut because that is what Arlington does! They Cut kids.

Don't you read English? They were cut! Cut because that is what PWSI does! They Cut kids.

Don't you read English? They were cut! Cut because that is what Annandale does! They Cut kids.

Don't you read English? They were cut! Cut because that is what [insert club here] does! They Cut kids.

It works with whatever club you put in there, see?? You're very invested in your "friend's"/"neighbor's" supposed slight. How many pages will you keep this up?

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Anonymous wrote:If I am paying $2K a year for my kid to play soccer at BRYC. I expect them to make unbiased decisions as to who should be on the "A" team, on the "B" team, etc. I don't care if you are homegrown or not. If your kid isn't keeping up, then he gets replaced. How far he falls is on him. There's always rec. If a kid is on a team and doesn't deserve to be there and the coach keeps him there...now that is WRONG!

Whats wrong is a club cutting kids from travel at 9 or 10. They should try to be as inclusive as possible, no one can not predict who will be the best players in 5 years so they should keep as many as possible. Cutting kids at those ages means you only care about winning right now.

[Anonymous]

Catching up on this thread. Let me see if I have this straight:

- BRYC is the only club that cut kids from U9 and U10 travel, even though many clubs had too many kids for their teams in one age group or another thanks to the age-group changes.

- Actually, no club ever cuts kids, so you must be talking about dropping from the A team to the B team. Never ever ever ever la la la la la.

- U10 Division Y must be the real "first division" because VISTA Barcelona is in it, even though NCSL doesn't do pro/rel until the U11 spring season, and even if they did, what kind of data would they have with all the age-group changes, anyway?

On another note -- where is everyone else playing U9 girls this year? YDL? I count only 20 teams in NCSL and SIX in ODSL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Catching up on this thread. Let me see if I have this straight:

- BRYC is the only club that cut kids from U9 and U10 travel, even though many clubs had too many kids for their teams in one age group or another thanks to the age-group changes.

- Actually, no club ever cuts kids, so you must be talking about dropping from the A team to the B team. Never ever ever ever la la la la la.

- U10 Division Y must be the real "first division" because VISTA Barcelona is in it, even though NCSL doesn't do pro/rel until the U11 spring season, and even if they did, what kind of data would they have with all the age-group changes, anyway?

On another note -- where is everyone else playing U9 girls this year? YDL? I count only 20 teams in NCSL and SIX in ODSL.

and don't forget, BRYC is clearly developing world beaters every year so you should send your kids to play for them immediately. There are only 20 NCSL teams because everyone else is trying to get into this BRYC program that is developing superior talent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If I am paying $2K a year for my kid to play soccer at BRYC. I expect them to make unbiased decisions as to who should be on the "A" team, on the "B" team, etc. I don't care if you are homegrown or not. If your kid isn't keeping up, then he gets replaced. How far he falls is on him. There's always rec. If a kid is on a team and doesn't deserve to be there and the coach keeps him there...now that is WRONG!

Whats wrong is a club cutting kids from travel at 9 or 10. They should try to be as inclusive as possible, no one can not predict who will be the best players in 5 years so they should keep as many as possible. Cutting kids at those ages means you only care about winning right now.

If the kid is not as "good" as everyone else on the team at the time of tryouts based on whatever the coaches are basing it on, then they don't make the team. It's that simple. The club isn't cutting them from soccer, just those teams. They can play rec or go to another club. They will find a team somewhere that will take him. Just because the club that the parent wants him to play for won't take him doesn't make it wrong. Clubs/teams have to draw the line somewhere and someone has to be on the other side of that line. It's life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Catching up on this thread. Let me see if I have this straight:

- BRYC is the only club that cut kids from U9 and U10 travel, even though many clubs had too many kids for their teams in one age group or another thanks to the age-group changes.

- Actually, no club ever cuts kids, so you must be talking about dropping from the A team to the B team. Never ever ever ever la la la la la.

- U10 Division Y must be the real "first division" because VISTA Barcelona is in it, even though NCSL doesn't do pro/rel until the U11 spring season, and even if they did, what kind of data would they have with all the age-group changes, anyway?

On another note -- where is everyone else playing U9 girls this year? YDL? I count only 20 teams in NCSL and SIX in ODSL.

You forgot to add that nobody gives a shit where your U9 Girls team plays.

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If the kid is not as "good" as everyone else on the team at the time of tryouts based on whatever the coaches are basing it on, then they don't make the team. It's that simple. The club isn't cutting them from soccer, just those teams. They can play rec or go to another club. They will find a team somewhere that will take him. Just because the club that the parent wants him to play for won't take him doesn't make it wrong. Clubs/teams have to draw the line somewhere and someone has to be on the other side of that line. It's life.

Yes I agree this is life in American youth soccer but it is still wrong to cut kids U10. The best countries teach young kids how to play with good coaches, they train as many as possible for as long as possible. Only American coaches looks at a kid at 9 and say your not good enough, we can't win with you, go play rec. Sending a U10 to rec with a volunteer parent will not provide a good enough coach or training environment, it's that simple. That kid you send to the rec team at 9 because he is not good enough might turn out to be a great athlete with high soccer IQ at 15. I understand cutting a young kid because the parents are unbearable but that should be the only reason.

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It's all about money and ass kissing in America

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It's interesting in how the sports in the US that don't cost an arm and a leg to play, we are the most dominate in the world!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If the kid is not as "good" as everyone else on the team at the time of tryouts based on whatever the coaches are basing it on, then they don't make the team. It's that simple. The club isn't cutting them from soccer, just those teams. They can play rec or go to another club. They will find a team somewhere that will take him. Just because the club that the parent wants him to play for won't take him doesn't make it wrong. Clubs/teams have to draw the line somewhere and someone has to be on the other side of that line. It's life.

Yes I agree this is life in American youth soccer but it is still wrong to cut kids U10. The best countries teach young kids how to play with good coaches, they train as many as possible for as long as possible. Only American coaches looks at a kid at 9 and say your not good enough, we can't win with you, go play rec. Sending a U10 to rec with a volunteer parent will not provide a good enough coach or training environment, it's that simple. That kid you send to the rec team at 9 because he is not good enough might turn out to be a great athlete with high soccer IQ at 15. I understand cutting a young kid because the parents are unbearable but that should be the only reason.

I disagree. I have seen kids who made travel teams who are so lacking in athletic ability they would not play much on a rec soccer team. Recreational soccer is perfectly fine for most kids. What's happened now in the U.S. is that people see an unathletic kid make a travel team, so they think their kid should. The clubs and coaches have wised up to this as a big moneymaker and expanded the teams accordingly. Years ago when my oldest made a travel team at 8, he was one of 24 kids picked for two travel teams. Now you've got at least 4 travel teams and even more at a lot of clubs. There may be that many kids (or parents) interested in soccer, but there certainly isn't that much talent. A lot of the clubs that don't really do cuts, don't want to lose the fees that are helping subsidize training for their A team kids. Yes, some kids who show little talent at 8, may be superstars by 15, but this will be but a minuscule portion of the mediocre "travel" players you see these days.

I have lived overseas and so have some knowledge of soccer training in other countries. Yes, the clubs do try to keep kids on longer, but the bar to even get on a club team is so much higher than in the U.S. We need to be honest about what travel has become in many cases here -- essentially paid training, where before you had volunteer coaches. I have yet to see a kid dropped from a team or club, who hasn't been able to quickly "make" another travel team. If you can pay, you can usually play.