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Anonymous wrote:Moving a kid between A/B/C/D from U9-11 is normal. If you choose to leave a club based on that kind of movement, that's on you not the club "dropping" your kid. A kid that gets dropped completely out of a club at those ages is probably due more to the demeanor of the parent.

I'm not talking about moving a kid from team to team. Some clubs (BRYC) drop young players entirely. I'm not saying these kids are such hot stuff, but if the club is willing to take the parents' $2000 at u9, surely the kid is owed a few years' worth of loyalty by the club.

So they have one team per age group, hold tryouts and not everyone makes the team?

You might consider a different club if you are not suited to a competitive environment because everything about that scenario says that nothing is guaranteed.

And paying $2000 simply pays for the year and nothing more. Talk about entitled.

They have three teams at the younger age groups. I would not expect a club like that to drop kids at u10, and I think it's lousy. That's why I'm saying it here -- to let people know what they're getting into. Are you saying you think cutting u10s after taking them at u9 is ok, when the club is fielding 3 teams?

And FYI, my kid doesn't play for BRYC, never tried out for BRYC. So it's not about me and whether I or my kid is suited to a competitive environment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Fall U11 is for placement unto actual divisions for U11 Spring. Some lower ranked teams probably did better than their A team. At this point, and maybe others can attest, our clubs U11 team looks very different from the same team we had in U9. Some left, others were put in A team, a few were dropped to C team. The scores will still not be published, but I think a few teams will be surprised. The VISTA Barcelona team has surprised quite a few teams, I'm sure they will continue.

Sure, but I think the starting point should be "A" teams playing "A" teams...not "A" teams playing a club's "D" team and the "B" team playing that club's "C" team...what sense does that make....just to look for a surprise or two. Sure Vista surprised some teams. Burke looks good in that division. They are in a division with Herndon's top team, no problem there,...then they throw in PAC's "B" team in that division. Really, why not their "A" team. I mean this is only one example and there are dozens of examples like this. I'm sure you can find divisions with "A" teams and "D" teams in it. It just looks like zero thought was put into this. Lots of blow outs are coming...and I'm sure a surprise or two.

Some clubs A teams are in different leagues. Our C and D teams play NCSL. Our A and B team are in a different league.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Fall U11 is for placement unto actual divisions for U11 Spring. Some lower ranked teams probably did better than their A team. At this point, and maybe others can attest, our clubs U11 team looks very different from the same team we had in U9. Some left, others were put in A team, a few were dropped to C team. The scores will still not be published, but I think a few teams will be surprised. The VISTA Barcelona team has surprised quite a few teams, I'm sure they will continue.

Sure, but I think the starting point should be "A" teams playing "A" teams...not "A" teams playing a club's "D" team and the "B" team playing that club's "C" team...what sense does that make....just to look for a surprise or two. Sure Vista surprised some teams. Burke looks good in that division. They are in a division with Herndon's top team, no problem there,...then they throw in PAC's "B" team in that division. Really, why not their "A" team. I mean this is only one example and there are dozens of examples like this. I'm sure you can find divisions with "A" teams and "D" teams in it. It just looks like zero thought was put into this. Lots of blow outs are coming...and I'm sure a surprise or two.

Some clubs A teams are in different leagues. Our C and D teams play NCSL. Our A and B team are in a different league.

And NCSL turned out to be more competitive than the league our A and B team played in, btw.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Moving a kid between A/B/C/D from U9-11 is normal. If you choose to leave a club based on that kind of movement, that's on you not the club "dropping" your kid. A kid that gets dropped completely out of a club at those ages is probably due more to the demeanor of the parent.

I'm not talking about moving a kid from team to team. Some clubs (BRYC) drop young players entirely. I'm not saying these kids are such hot stuff, but if the club is willing to take the parents' $2000 at u9, surely the kid is owed a few years' worth of loyalty by the club.

So they have one team per age group, hold tryouts and not everyone makes the team?

You might consider a different club if you are not suited to a competitive environment because everything about that scenario says that nothing is guaranteed.

And paying $2000 simply pays for the year and nothing more. Talk about entitled.

They have three teams at the younger age groups. I would not expect a club like that to drop kids at u10, and I think it's lousy. That's why I'm saying it here -- to let people know what they're getting into. Are you saying you think cutting u10s after taking them at u9 is ok, when the club is fielding 3 teams?

And FYI, my kid doesn't play for BRYC, never tried out for BRYC. So it's not about me and whether I or my kid is suited to a competitive environment.

Translation: This is all hearsay and you really know nothing based on any actual facts that you have witnessed yourself, you are just blustering what somebody "told you".

Surprising, just surprising.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Moving a kid between A/B/C/D from U9-11 is normal. If you choose to leave a club based on that kind of movement, that's on you not the club "dropping" your kid. A kid that gets dropped completely out of a club at those ages is probably due more to the demeanor of the parent.

I'm not talking about moving a kid from team to team. Some clubs (BRYC) drop young players entirely. I'm not saying these kids are such hot stuff, but if the club is willing to take the parents' $2000 at u9, surely the kid is owed a few years' worth of loyalty by the club.

So they have one team per age group, hold tryouts and not everyone makes the team?

You might consider a different club if you are not suited to a competitive environment because everything about that scenario says that nothing is guaranteed.

And paying $2000 simply pays for the year and nothing more. Talk about entitled.

They have three teams at the younger age groups. I would not expect a club like that to drop kids at u10, and I think it's lousy. That's why I'm saying it here -- to let people know what they're getting into. Are you saying you think cutting u10s after taking them at u9 is ok, when the club is fielding 3 teams?

And FYI, my kid doesn't play for BRYC, never tried out for BRYC. So it's not about me and whether I or my kid is suited to a competitive environment.

Translation: This is all hearsay and you really know nothing based on any actual facts that you have witnessed yourself, you are just blustering what somebody "told you".

Surprising, just surprising.

Well, I was told directly by the parents. Not sure why they would lie about the fact that BRYC cut their kids.

[Anonymous]

Most clubs will "drop" players from travel if they are no longer good enough for their lowest level travel team. I've heard some clubs used to have a preference for their own club's players but I'm not sure anyone does this anymore. I know Vienna used to have this policy but even then Vienna would take A team level players from other clubs.

Now there may be several reasons why a player is no longer good enough - could be the kid hasn't progressed as much as other players in the club, including house players; could be the coaches made a mistake in the original selection; or yes, it could be some better players came in from outside and took your players spot. Contrary to your logic, all of these reasons are fair. Making the travel team one year shouldn't guarantee you a spot the next year. Every player should have to earn his each year; otherwise you end up rewarding players who start to coast through while punishing those you have worked hard to improve.

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Anonymous wrote:Moving a kid between A/B/C/D from U9-11 is normal. If you choose to leave a club based on that kind of movement, that's on you not the club "dropping" your kid. A kid that gets dropped completely out of a club at those ages is probably due more to the demeanor of the parent.

I'm not talking about moving a kid from team to team. Some clubs (BRYC) drop young players entirely. I'm not saying these kids are such hot stuff, but if the club is willing to take the parents' $2000 at u9, surely the kid is owed a few years' worth of loyalty by the club.

So they have one team per age group, hold tryouts and not everyone makes the team?

You might consider a different club if you are not suited to a competitive environment because everything about that scenario says that nothing is guaranteed.

And paying $2000 simply pays for the year and nothing more. Talk about entitled.

They have three teams at the younger age groups. I would not expect a club like that to drop kids at u10, and I think it's lousy. That's why I'm saying it here -- to let people know what they're getting into. Are you saying you think cutting u10s after taking them at u9 is ok, when the club is fielding 3 teams?

And FYI, my kid doesn't play for BRYC, never tried out for BRYC. So it's not about me and whether I or my kid is suited to a competitive environment.

Translation: This is all hearsay and you really know nothing based on any actual facts that you have witnessed yourself, you are just blustering what somebody "told you".

Surprising, just surprising.

Well, I was told directly by the parents. Not sure why they would lie about the fact that BRYC cut their kids.

Not many people proudly proclaim that "their kid wasn't good enough" so they have to place blame somewhere. Did they lie? I don't know, where they objective? Likely not.

And since they really cant be terribly objective about something that was hurtful to them, it isn't really fair to run down an entire club over something that you yourself did not witness.

There are instances of coaches not bringing kids back because of their parents and in most clubs that is usually what it would take at that age for full out 'cut" from the club.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Moving a kid between A/B/C/D from U9-11 is normal. If you choose to leave a club based on that kind of movement, that's on you not the club "dropping" your kid. A kid that gets dropped completely out of a club at those ages is probably due more to the demeanor of the parent.

I'm not talking about moving a kid from team to team. Some clubs (BRYC) drop young players entirely. I'm not saying these kids are such hot stuff, but if the club is willing to take the parents' $2000 at u9, surely the kid is owed a few years' worth of loyalty by the club.

So they have one team per age group, hold tryouts and not everyone makes the team?

You might consider a different club if you are not suited to a competitive environment because everything about that scenario says that nothing is guaranteed.

And paying $2000 simply pays for the year and nothing more. Talk about entitled.

They have three teams at the younger age groups. I would not expect a club like that to drop kids at u10, and I think it's lousy. That's why I'm saying it here -- to let people know what they're getting into. Are you saying you think cutting u10s after taking them at u9 is ok, when the club is fielding 3 teams?

And FYI, my kid doesn't play for BRYC, never tried out for BRYC. So it's not about me and whether I or my kid is suited to a competitive environment.

Translation: This is all hearsay and you really know nothing based on any actual facts that you have witnessed yourself, you are just blustering what somebody "told you".

Surprising, just surprising.

Well, I was told directly by the parents. Not sure why they would lie about the fact that BRYC cut their kids.

Not many people proudly proclaim that "their kid wasn't good enough" so they have to place blame somewhere. Did they lie? I don't know, where they objective? Likely not.

And since they really cant be terribly objective about something that was hurtful to them, it isn't really fair to run down an entire club over something that you yourself did not witness.

There are instances of coaches not bringing kids back because of their parents and in most clubs that is usually what it would take at that age for full out 'cut" from the club.

AMEN
And guess what? Now this parent is on your team and you'll get to see it firsthand. My guess is this parent is already complaining on the sidelines....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fall U11 is for placement unto actual divisions for U11 Spring. Some lower ranked teams probably did better than their A team. At this point, and maybe others can attest, our clubs U11 team looks very different from the same team we had in U9. Some left, others were put in A team, a few were dropped to C team. The scores will still not be published, but I think a few teams will be surprised. The VISTA Barcelona team has surprised quite a few teams, I'm sure they will continue.

Sure, but I think the starting point should be "A" teams playing "A" teams...not "A" teams playing a club's "D" team and the "B" team playing that club's "C" team...what sense does that make....just to look for a surprise or two. Sure Vista surprised some teams. Burke looks good in that division. They are in a division with Herndon's top team, no problem there,...then they throw in PAC's "B" team in that division. Really, why not their "A" team. I mean this is only one example and there are dozens of examples like this. I'm sure you can find divisions with "A" teams and "D" teams in it. It just looks like zero thought was put into this. Lots of blow outs are coming...and I'm sure a surprise or two.

You cant do that because how would you place the teams in that bracket that didn't do as well? The best you can do is actually spread out the A teams, then, if they are truly good they will rise to the top of their division and be worthy of their seeding in the right division for the Spring.

Consider the fall more like "Group play". You have to win your group

This actually makes sense to me. Thanks.

[Anonymous]

^^^ and his year every team is completely different due to the birth year changes.

Last years seedlings are fairly irrelevant.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Moving a kid between A/B/C/D from U9-11 is normal. If you choose to leave a club based on that kind of movement, that's on you not the club "dropping" your kid. A kid that gets dropped completely out of a club at those ages is probably due more to the demeanor of the parent.

I'm not talking about moving a kid from team to team. Some clubs (BRYC) drop young players entirely. I'm not saying these kids are such hot stuff, but if the club is willing to take the parents' $2000 at u9, surely the kid is owed a few years' worth of loyalty by the club.

So they have one team per age group, hold tryouts and not everyone makes the team?

You might consider a different club if you are not suited to a competitive environment because everything about that scenario says that nothing is guaranteed.

And paying $2000 simply pays for the year and nothing more. Talk about entitled.

They have three teams at the younger age groups. I would not expect a club like that to drop kids at u10, and I think it's lousy. That's why I'm saying it here -- to let people know what they're getting into. Are you saying you think cutting u10s after taking them at u9 is ok, when the club is fielding 3 teams?

And FYI, my kid doesn't play for BRYC, never tried out for BRYC. So it's not about me and whether I or my kid is suited to a competitive environment.

Translation: This is all hearsay and you really know nothing based on any actual facts that you have witnessed yourself, you are just blustering what somebody "told you".

Surprising, just surprising.

Well, I was told directly by the parents. Not sure why they would lie about the fact that BRYC cut their kids.

Not many people proudly proclaim that "their kid wasn't good enough" so they have to place blame somewhere. Did they lie? I don't know, where they objective? Likely not.

And since they really cant be terribly objective about something that was hurtful to them, it isn't really fair to run down an entire club over something that you yourself did not witness.

There are instances of coaches not bringing kids back because of their parents and in most clubs that is usually what it would take at that age for full out 'cut" from the club.

AMEN
And guess what? Now this parent is on your team and you'll get to see it firsthand. My guess is this parent is already complaining on the sidelines....

Saying that your kid was cut is the same as proclaiming that he or she was not good enough. Like I said, not sure why one would say that if it weren't true. And they're not my kid's teammates now. Just neighbors.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Moving a kid between A/B/C/D from U9-11 is normal. If you choose to leave a club based on that kind of movement, that's on you not the club "dropping" your kid. A kid that gets dropped completely out of a club at those ages is probably due more to the demeanor of the parent.

I'm not talking about moving a kid from team to team. Some clubs (BRYC) drop young players entirely. I'm not saying these kids are such hot stuff, but if the club is willing to take the parents' $2000 at u9, surely the kid is owed a few years' worth of loyalty by the club.

So they have one team per age group, hold tryouts and not everyone makes the team?

You might consider a different club if you are not suited to a competitive environment because everything about that scenario says that nothing is guaranteed.

And paying $2000 simply pays for the year and nothing more. Talk about entitled.

They have three teams at the younger age groups. I would not expect a club like that to drop kids at u10, and I think it's lousy. That's why I'm saying it here -- to let people know what they're getting into. Are you saying you think cutting u10s after taking them at u9 is ok, when the club is fielding 3 teams?

And FYI, my kid doesn't play for BRYC, never tried out for BRYC. So it's not about me and whether I or my kid is suited to a competitive environment.

Translation: This is all hearsay and you really know nothing based on any actual facts that you have witnessed yourself, you are just blustering what somebody "told you".

Surprising, just surprising.

Well, I was told directly by the parents. Not sure why they would lie about the fact that BRYC cut their kids.

Not many people proudly proclaim that "their kid wasn't good enough" so they have to place blame somewhere. Did they lie? I don't know, where they objective? Likely not.

And since they really cant be terribly objective about something that was hurtful to them, it isn't really fair to run down an entire club over something that you yourself did not witness.

There are instances of coaches not bringing kids back because of their parents and in most clubs that is usually what it would take at that age for full out 'cut" from the club.

AMEN
And guess what? Now this parent is on your team and you'll get to see it firsthand. My guess is this parent is already complaining on the sidelines....

Saying that your kid was cut is the same as proclaiming that he or she was not good enough. Like I said, not sure why one would say that if it weren't true. And they're not my kid's teammates now. Just neighbors.

Nobody said it isn't true but it is dubious. And to state it as if it is standard practice at BRYC is misleading and irresponsible.

With the birth year change some kids may have been caught in a numbers game. Perhaps this kid would have been on a B team but due to low numbers there were not enough kids to have a full team so they decided better to cut the kids loose and find a better situation.

Again, you don't know anything about the situation so it is best to really not talk about it as if you do. What you are doing is slamming a club with no facts.

I do not have a kid at BRYC but I have been around youth soccer and know that this is not how most clubs operate regardless. Most of the negativity that you read in these boards is more sour grapes than objective truth.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fall U11 is for placement unto actual divisions for U11 Spring. Some lower ranked teams probably did better than their A team. At this point, and maybe others can attest, our clubs U11 team looks very different from the same team we had in U9. Some left, others were put in A team, a few were dropped to C team. The scores will still not be published, but I think a few teams will be surprised. The VISTA Barcelona team has surprised quite a few teams, I'm sure they will continue.

Sure, but I think the starting point should be "A" teams playing "A" teams...not "A" teams playing a club's "D" team and the "B" team playing that club's "C" team...what sense does that make....just to look for a surprise or two. Sure Vista surprised some teams. Burke looks good in that division. They are in a division with Herndon's top team, no problem there,...then they throw in PAC's "B" team in that division. Really, why not their "A" team. I mean this is only one example and there are dozens of examples like this. I'm sure you can find divisions with "A" teams and "D" teams in it. It just looks like zero thought was put into this. Lots of blow outs are coming...and I'm sure a surprise or two.

You cant do that because how would you place the teams in that bracket that didn't do as well? The best you can do is actually spread out the A teams, then, if they are truly good they will rise to the top of their division and be worthy of their seeding in the right division for the Spring.

Consider the fall more like "Group play". You have to win your group

This actually makes sense to me. Thanks.

The girls U11 division is set up this way though????

[Anonymous]

For the groupings, the groups are in their most competitive group. The wins a team has made has counted towards their rank. Like somebody else said too, these are no longer a club's A team.

For example, PWSI Red team below U11 was their A team. Now their A team plays NPL and their ReD team is essentially their secon team, but with the birth year changes it is completely different than last year's second team.

For VISTA Barcelona, I happen to know that they have won most of their games, hence they are in the top group, but with other club's 2nd or 3rd yeam.

There's always a potential for blowouts, it's youth soccer, but the groups do make sense to me in that they were made by grouping the teams have the best records in NCSL.

[Anonymous]

To the person that asked about finding the structure for Fall 2016

http://www.ncsl-soccer.com/divstruct/boys/index_E.html