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Anonymous wrote:BRYC thinks nothing of dropping kids even at U10 and U11 for better kids who try out. That's why its teams do better as they get to older age groups.

Jesus this gets old. No club develops yet every club poaches developed players.

You do realize that rosters increase in age and ALL clubs add talent.

Rosters do not increase in size between U9 and U11, and not all clubs drop existing travel players at those ages. BRYC does.

Interesting, so when at U9 kids are playing 7v7 and a good healthy developmental roster is say 10 and then at U11 kids are playing 9v9 the team does not increase the roster from 10 kids?

Where are U11 kids playing 9v9? Not in Virginia.

Ummm, it will be everywhere:

"Small-Sided Games will be mandated come August of 2017, with specific changes occurring in regard to alterations to the field size, goals and rules. The result will be a decrease in 11-vs-11 competitions in lieu of more 9-vs-9 and 7-vs-7 competitions. U.S. Soccer will encourage the adoption of Small-Sided Games best practices in August of 2016. US Youth Soccer has been encouraging Small-Sided Games for more than 20 years and most of the 55 member State Associations have adopted the philosophy during that time.

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Not this year. And if and when they do adopt these recommendations, they will be playing 9v9 on a smaller field than that on which they currently play 8v8. So maybe rosters will expand from 10-12 to 12-13.

I don't deny that there are legitimate opportunities for teams to add talent. But some clubs also do so by cutting players whose money they happily took at u9. I personally think it's slimy to cut kids before u12 after taking them on, and it means that these clubs are only paying lip service to the concept of player development.

Kids getting cut from a club at 10 years old is fiction

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Anonymous wrote:Moving a kid between A/B/C/D from U9-11 is normal. If you choose to leave a club based on that kind of movement, that's on you not the club "dropping" your kid. A kid that gets dropped completely out of a club at those ages is probably due more to the demeanor of the parent.

I'm not talking about moving a kid from team to team. Some clubs (BRYC) drop young players entirely. I'm not saying these kids are such hot stuff, but if the club is willing to take the parents' $2000 at u9, surely the kid is owed a few years' worth of loyalty by the club.

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Anonymous wrote:BRYC thinks nothing of dropping kids even at U10 and U11 for better kids who try out. That's why its teams do better as they get to older age groups.

Jesus this gets old. No club develops yet every club poaches developed players.

You do realize that rosters increase in age and ALL clubs add talent.

Rosters do not increase in size between U9 and U11, and not all clubs drop existing travel players at those ages. BRYC does.

Interesting, so when at U9 kids are playing 7v7 and a good healthy developmental roster is say 10 and then at U11 kids are playing 9v9 the team does not increase the roster from 10 kids?

Where are U11 kids playing 9v9? Not in Virginia.

Ummm, it will be everywhere:

"Small-Sided Games will be mandated come August of 2017, with specific changes occurring in regard to alterations to the field size, goals and rules. The result will be a decrease in 11-vs-11 competitions in lieu of more 9-vs-9 and 7-vs-7 competitions. U.S. Soccer will encourage the adoption of Small-Sided Games best practices in August of 2016. US Youth Soccer has been encouraging Small-Sided Games for more than 20 years and most of the 55 member State Associations have adopted the philosophy during that time.

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Not this year. And if and when they do adopt these recommendations, they will be playing 9v9 on a smaller field than that on which they currently play 8v8. So maybe rosters will expand from 10-12 to 12-13.

I don't deny that there are legitimate opportunities for teams to add talent. But some clubs also do so by cutting players whose money they happily took at u9. I personally think it's slimy to cut kids before u12 after taking them on, and it means that these clubs are only paying lip service to the concept of player development.

Kids getting cut from a club at 10 years old is fiction

I know of a 9yo who was cut by BRYC after playing for the club last year. I know of a 10yo who was initially cut and then asked back when some of the initial offerees declined.

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And many small clubs don't care (nor do the players) about State Titles. I say that as somebody whose kids left a CCL club due to shitty training. State Titles are NOT a factor in my choosing a club for my kids. I earned 4 State titles and a Regional title myself and it did nothing to improve me as a player.

Player development and coaching staff are the utmost importance...and a 'feeling'. We are so much happier and the players and staff are much better. Many of the players train Internationally over the breaks. They have a world view, not a State view.

It's intimate and the level of training is light-years above our old big...churn 'em out, don't make eye contact with parents former club. The Technical staff knows all of the players down to the 7-year olds. In fact, they invest time building from the bottom up.

We came from a place where all of the emphasis was on the older players. The TDs had nothing to do with the younger players and there was zero club philosophy or style of play. It was pretty much---just grab up the best players from elsewhere at 14/15 to keep winning titles. No loyalty or investment in those from the ground up.

Where is this club that has a style of play ?

BRYC for sure teaches possession style starting with their U9s.. thats why if you watch their teams progress over a few years its the true essence of development .. the u9s tend to take their their lumps at the start of the year but as they progress through the year and into u10 and from there u11 and so on the BRYC teams are very technically sound... Now with that being I still believe in the talent factor as the most important factor. but i have to say without a doubt BRYC probably does the best job in the area as far as developing their kids to get them to reach each of their kids potential.

I don't know enough to say one style of play is better than another, but I do know it's rare for a club to have a style you can identify through the age groups. If they are technically sound by u11 it must be like watching a la liga game by U18. I find it a little hard to believe BRYC has the patience or ability to implement something like that.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids getting cut from a club at 10 years old is fiction

No, it's not. At a big club, sure, you could still play House. Some smaller clubs without House will cut kids completely.

Especially this year. With the change in age groups, some clubs wound up with, say, 60 returning players born in 2006.

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And many small clubs don't care (nor do the players) about State Titles. I say that as somebody whose kids left a CCL club due to shitty training. State Titles are NOT a factor in my choosing a club for my kids. I earned 4 State titles and a Regional title myself and it did nothing to improve me as a player.

Player development and coaching staff are the utmost importance...and a 'feeling'. We are so much happier and the players and staff are much better. Many of the players train Internationally over the breaks. They have a world view, not a State view.

It's intimate and the level of training is light-years above our old big...churn 'em out, don't make eye contact with parents former club. The Technical staff knows all of the players down to the 7-year olds. In fact, they invest time building from the bottom up.

We came from a place where all of the emphasis was on the older players. The TDs had nothing to do with the younger players and there was zero club philosophy or style of play. It was pretty much---just grab up the best players from elsewhere at 14/15 to keep winning titles. No loyalty or investment in those from the ground up.

Where is this club that has a style of play ?

BRYC for sure teaches possession style starting with their U9s.. thats why if you watch their teams progress over a few years its the true essence of development .. the u9s tend to take their their lumps at the start of the year but as they progress through the year and into u10 and from there u11 and so on the BRYC teams are very technically sound... Now with that being I still believe in the talent factor as the most important factor. but i have to say without a doubt BRYC probably does the best job in the area as far as developing their kids to get them to reach each of their kids potential.

I don't know enough to say one style of play is better than another, but I do know it's rare for a club to have a style you can identify through the age groups. If they are technically sound by u11 it must be like watching a la liga game by U18. I find it a little hard to believe BRYC has the patience or ability to implement something like that.

Go watch any top BRYC girls team from U13-U18/19 and you will see that the possession style of play has been implemented. The U14 team just went to the national finals.

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And many small clubs don't care (nor do the players) about State Titles. I say that as somebody whose kids left a CCL club due to shitty training. State Titles are NOT a factor in my choosing a club for my kids. I earned 4 State titles and a Regional title myself and it did nothing to improve me as a player.

Player development and coaching staff are the utmost importance...and a 'feeling'. We are so much happier and the players and staff are much better. Many of the players train Internationally over the breaks. They have a world view, not a State view.

It's intimate and the level of training is light-years above our old big...churn 'em out, don't make eye contact with parents former club. The Technical staff knows all of the players down to the 7-year olds. In fact, they invest time building from the bottom up.

We came from a place where all of the emphasis was on the older players. The TDs had nothing to do with the younger players and there was zero club philosophy or style of play. It was pretty much---just grab up the best players from elsewhere at 14/15 to keep winning titles. No loyalty or investment in those from the ground up.

Where is this club that has a style of play ?

BRYC for sure teaches possession style starting with their U9s.. thats why if you watch their teams progress over a few years its the true essence of development .. the u9s tend to take their their lumps at the start of the year but as they progress through the year and into u10 and from there u11 and so on the BRYC teams are very technically sound... Now with that being I still believe in the talent factor as the most important factor. but i have to say without a doubt BRYC probably does the best job in the area as far as developing their kids to get them to reach each of their kids potential.

I don't know enough to say one style of play is better than another, but I do know it's rare for a club to have a style you can identify through the age groups. If they are technically sound by u11 it must be like watching a la liga game by U18. I find it a little hard to believe BRYC has the patience or ability to implement something like that.

Go watch any top BRYC girls team from U13-U18/19 and you will see that the possession style of play has been implemented. The U14 team just went to the national finals.

I watched a bit of their national tournament play online. So poised. Linking together passes so well.

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All I can tell you is that a certain club a few years ago (maybe 2-3?) made it work out. The ECNL kids sulked through WAGS games, the team was relegated from D1, and the WAGS families were pissed.

If it's not commonplace or no longer possible, fine. Probably for the best. But I'll be happy to swear on a virtual bible that it did in fact happen.

With that ... did everyone see NCSL division structures are out now?

I did see that the divisions are out. Anyone know how they decided the U11 divisions? Most divisions include some clubs' "A" teams, some "B" teams, and some "C" teams, etc. Looks like total random distribution? Looks like a lot of blow outs are coming. Also, it doesn't look like most club teams will be able to play back to back if they have two teams as they aren't in the same division. It will take some clever scheduling. Was that on purpose?

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Fall U11 is for placement unto actual divisions for U11 Spring. Some lower ranked teams probably did better than their A team. At this point, and maybe others can attest, our clubs U11 team looks very different from the same team we had in U9. Some left, others were put in A team, a few were dropped to C team. The scores will still not be published, but I think a few teams will be surprised. The VISTA Barcelona team has surprised quite a few teams, I'm sure they will continue.

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Anonymous wrote:Fall U11 is for placement unto actual divisions for U11 Spring. Some lower ranked teams probably did better than their A team. At this point, and maybe others can attest, our clubs U11 team looks very different from the same team we had in U9. Some left, others were put in A team, a few were dropped to C team. The scores will still not be published, but I think a few teams will be surprised. The VISTA Barcelona team has surprised quite a few teams, I'm sure they will continue.

Where are you seeing the divisions? I went to the website and only saw last Spring.

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Anonymous wrote:Moving a kid between A/B/C/D from U9-11 is normal. If you choose to leave a club based on that kind of movement, that's on you not the club "dropping" your kid. A kid that gets dropped completely out of a club at those ages is probably due more to the demeanor of the parent.

I'm not talking about moving a kid from team to team. Some clubs (BRYC) drop young players entirely. I'm not saying these kids are such hot stuff, but if the club is willing to take the parents' $2000 at u9, surely the kid is owed a few years' worth of loyalty by the club.

So they have one team per age group, hold tryouts and not everyone makes the team?

You might consider a different club if you are not suited to a competitive environment because everything about that scenario says that nothing is guaranteed.

And paying $2000 simply pays for the year and nothing more. Talk about entitled.

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Anonymous wrote:Moving a kid between A/B/C/D from U9-11 is normal. If you choose to leave a club based on that kind of movement, that's on you not the club "dropping" your kid. A kid that gets dropped completely out of a club at those ages is probably due more to the demeanor of the parent.

I'm not talking about moving a kid from team to team. Some clubs (BRYC) drop young players entirely. I'm not saying these kids are such hot stuff, but if the club is willing to take the parents' $2000 at u9, surely the kid is owed a few years' worth of loyalty by the club.

So they have one team per age group, hold tryouts and not everyone makes the team?

You might consider a different club if you are not suited to a competitive environment because everything about that scenario says that nothing is guaranteed.

And paying $2000 simply pays for the year and nothing more. Talk about entitled.

+1

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I did see that the divisions are out. Anyone know how they decided the U11 divisions? Most divisions include some clubs' "A" teams, some "B" teams, and some "C" teams, etc. Looks like total random distribution? Looks like a lot of blow outs are coming. Also, it doesn't look like most club teams will be able to play back to back if they have two teams as they aren't in the same division. It will take some clever scheduling. Was that on purpose?

It has been a few years since my son played in NCSL, but back then it seemed like they did some level of seeding for the Fall U11 groupings. Each division had one, sometimes two, teams that seemed much stronger than the others (based on our experiences playing many of them in U9 and U10), with most of the others seeming randomly assigned. My son's team was very strong and they won every game by large margins (many of them in the double digits). We were kind of horrified to realize that they did indeed post the scores from the fall a few months later, at the time they announced which teams were in Division 1, 2, 3 etc. for the spring. Looking at all the scores, it seemed that virtually all of the letter divisions had the same experience, with one or two teams dominating the others. Things were much better and more competitive after the tiered divisions began.

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Anonymous wrote:Fall U11 is for placement unto actual divisions for U11 Spring. Some lower ranked teams probably did better than their A team. At this point, and maybe others can attest, our clubs U11 team looks very different from the same team we had in U9. Some left, others were put in A team, a few were dropped to C team. The scores will still not be published, but I think a few teams will be surprised. The VISTA Barcelona team has surprised quite a few teams, I'm sure they will continue.

Sure, but I think the starting point should be "A" teams playing "A" teams...not "A" teams playing a club's "D" team and the "B" team playing that club's "C" team...what sense does that make....just to look for a surprise or two. Sure Vista surprised some teams. Burke looks good in that division. They are in a division with Herndon's top team, no problem there,...then they throw in PAC's "B" team in that division. Really, why not their "A" team. I mean this is only one example and there are dozens of examples like this. I'm sure you can find divisions with "A" teams and "D" teams in it. It just looks like zero thought was put into this. Lots of blow outs are coming...and I'm sure a surprise or two.

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Anonymous wrote:Fall U11 is for placement unto actual divisions for U11 Spring. Some lower ranked teams probably did better than their A team. At this point, and maybe others can attest, our clubs U11 team looks very different from the same team we had in U9. Some left, others were put in A team, a few were dropped to C team. The scores will still not be published, but I think a few teams will be surprised. The VISTA Barcelona team has surprised quite a few teams, I'm sure they will continue.

Sure, but I think the starting point should be "A" teams playing "A" teams...not "A" teams playing a club's "D" team and the "B" team playing that club's "C" team...what sense does that make....just to look for a surprise or two. Sure Vista surprised some teams. Burke looks good in that division. They are in a division with Herndon's top team, no problem there,...then they throw in PAC's "B" team in that division. Really, why not their "A" team. I mean this is only one example and there are dozens of examples like this. I'm sure you can find divisions with "A" teams and "D" teams in it. It just looks like zero thought was put into this. Lots of blow outs are coming...and I'm sure a surprise or two.

You cant do that because how would you place the teams in that bracket that didn't do as well? The best you can do is actually spread out the A teams, then, if they are truly good they will rise to the top of their division and be worthy of their seeding in the right division for the Spring.

Consider the fall more like "Group play". You have to win your group