Johnny Depp trial in Fairfax County

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to step in and say that, while I grew up a JD fan, that's not why I believe him. Some AH supporters here are painting Johnny fans as people who side with the man always, upholders of the powerful patriarchy or whatever.

My bias is 100% about AH's Borderline Personality Disorder. I grew up with an abusive BPD mom, and once you know a BPD, you can't help it with the pattern recognition. BPDs will tell any lie to save their image (which to them feels like saving their very life), they absolutely will invent abuse to get back at someone (it is a favorite tactic), they will deny something that you just saw happen 5 minutes ago, they lie so much you start to wonder if they believe their own lies (no one knows for sure), they know that a big lie is better than a small "weak" lie, and they laugh at those they have deceived. They believe everyone else is just as corrupt as they are (like, "you would have done the same thing" and "the others are all liars"). Oh, and they LOVE to appear all charitable and selfless, like they are standing up for a cause ("I wrote an op-ed, now I'm just like Angelina Jolie!"), giving money to charity (or rather just lying about it), and sometimes legitimately doing good works (but for the wrong reasons).

This doesn't mean that a person with BPD can't also be a victim though. I think people with BPD are often victims, actually. But I don't believe it in this case, because Johnny does not fit any patterns that I know. He's been consistent. I relate to his need for truth. I don't agree that he went through all this just to abuse Amber. I believe he needed to do this for himself.

He had a good record before Amber. Yes, he admits to drug and alcohol abuse, but she was abusing drugs and alcohol too, so I don't buy the whole, "He probably can't remember what he did!" You know, she might not remember what happened either, in her drunken state, and anyway, it's her pattern to LIE.

So now it will be over. I look forward to reading about the closing arguments tomorrow.

As far as "which side is right," if it matters a lot to you, I believe it will become clear when you see how each of them live out the rest of their lives. I am feeling optimistic for Johnny, that he puts this behind him and goes on to better things.

Does that consistency and need for truth include Depp accusing defense counsel of having fabricated evidence of his tweets when his own legal team produced them in discovery and did not contest their authenticity? And does that consistency include his pathetic fake accents that changes periodically when he forgets to maintain the pretense?

You know he thinks you’re a parasite, right? He has said that very openly about his fans and supporter.

The texts that were brought out in court that JD said he didn't recognized were actually not from him. It was pointed out later by some commentators that those texts appeared on the evidence as incoming. The text that JD said was his (the long, colorful one) was an outgoing. All these texts were from JD's phone so the incoming texts would not have been from him. So really AH's lawyers were sneaky and tried to make him admit something that he didn't write.

Then why didn’t his lawyers point out that the evidence was being misrepresented during his testimony? Are you saying Camille is too stupid to know her own care?

I don't know why nobody caught on at that moment. Maybe in the heat of the moment, his lawyers didn't catch that detail, but the evidence is there and the truth is AH's lawyers made a calculated move to deceive the jury.

It was a pretty lengthy exchange and his lawyer objected it on a bunch of other grounds before it was admitted into evidence. That would be a pretty massive oversight to have substantive discussions of the admissibility of evidence and it even look at the exhibit.

Well I'm not his lawyers and I don't know why they didn't catch it. All I know is commnentators from Law and Crime youtube channel mentioned it during a break the following day and they showed a pic of the evidence.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe those commenters were wrong?

I have no idea. They seem pretty legit to me. Their commentaries sound pretty balanced and I think they replayed a snippet when that evidence was shown to the jury and it did say incoming. Now, I don't know if they doctored it and I'm just too lazy to go back and check.

Okay I got curious and checked. this youtube video at the 12:15 time stamp shows the 2 texts as incoming. So if those texts were from his phone as AH's lawyer claimed, that would mean that he didn't send them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn0MAyAwrEA

Rottenborn gets agreement from Depp that all text evidence identifies him as “Him” because his full name is redacted (the images show a black bar) watch from 8:25 - 10:22

Yes, and the texts show "him" as "owner." So if the texts are "incoming" to Depp's phone, they are incoming from someone else.

Also, the texts are from February 2017, after their divorce. Relevance?

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to step in and say that, while I grew up a JD fan, that's not why I believe him. Some AH supporters here are painting Johnny fans as people who side with the man always, upholders of the powerful patriarchy or whatever.

My bias is 100% about AH's Borderline Personality Disorder. I grew up with an abusive BPD mom, and once you know a BPD, you can't help it with the pattern recognition. BPDs will tell any lie to save their image (which to them feels like saving their very life), they absolutely will invent abuse to get back at someone (it is a favorite tactic), they will deny something that you just saw happen 5 minutes ago, they lie so much you start to wonder if they believe their own lies (no one knows for sure), they know that a big lie is better than a small "weak" lie, and they laugh at those they have deceived. They believe everyone else is just as corrupt as they are (like, "you would have done the same thing" and "the others are all liars"). Oh, and they LOVE to appear all charitable and selfless, like they are standing up for a cause ("I wrote an op-ed, now I'm just like Angelina Jolie!"), giving money to charity (or rather just lying about it), and sometimes legitimately doing good works (but for the wrong reasons).

This doesn't mean that a person with BPD can't also be a victim though. I think people with BPD are often victims, actually. But I don't believe it in this case, because Johnny does not fit any patterns that I know. He's been consistent. I relate to his need for truth. I don't agree that he went through all this just to abuse Amber. I believe he needed to do this for himself.

He had a good record before Amber. Yes, he admits to drug and alcohol abuse, but she was abusing drugs and alcohol too, so I don't buy the whole, "He probably can't remember what he did!" You know, she might not remember what happened either, in her drunken state, and anyway, it's her pattern to LIE.

So now it will be over. I look forward to reading about the closing arguments tomorrow.

As far as "which side is right," if it matters a lot to you, I believe it will become clear when you see how each of them live out the rest of their lives. I am feeling optimistic for Johnny, that he puts this behind him and goes on to better things.

Does that consistency and need for truth include Depp accusing defense counsel of having fabricated evidence of his tweets when his own legal team produced them in discovery and did not contest their authenticity? And does that consistency include his pathetic fake accents that changes periodically when he forgets to maintain the pretense?

You know he thinks you’re a parasite, right? He has said that very openly about his fans and supporter.

The texts that were brought out in court that JD said he didn't recognized were actually not from him. It was pointed out later by some commentators that those texts appeared on the evidence as incoming. The text that JD said was his (the long, colorful one) was an outgoing. All these texts were from JD's phone so the incoming texts would not have been from him. So really AH's lawyers were sneaky and tried to make him admit something that he didn't write.

Then why didn’t his lawyers point out that the evidence was being misrepresented during his testimony? Are you saying Camille is too stupid to know her own care?

I don't know why nobody caught on at that moment. Maybe in the heat of the moment, his lawyers didn't catch that detail, but the evidence is there and the truth is AH's lawyers made a calculated move to deceive the jury.

It was a pretty lengthy exchange and his lawyer objected it on a bunch of other grounds before it was admitted into evidence. That would be a pretty massive oversight to have substantive discussions of the admissibility of evidence and it even look at the exhibit.

Well I'm not his lawyers and I don't know why they didn't catch it. All I know is commnentators from Law and Crime youtube channel mentioned it during a break the following day and they showed a pic of the evidence.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe those commenters were wrong?

I have no idea. They seem pretty legit to me. Their commentaries sound pretty balanced and I think they replayed a snippet when that evidence was shown to the jury and it did say incoming. Now, I don't know if they doctored it and I'm just too lazy to go back and check.

Okay I got curious and checked. this youtube video at the 12:15 time stamp shows the 2 texts as incoming. So if those texts were from his phone as AH's lawyer claimed, that would mean that he didn't send them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn0MAyAwrEA

Rottenborn gets agreement from Depp that all text evidence identifies him as “Him” because his full name is redacted (the images show a black bar) watch from 8:25 - 10:22

Yes, and the texts show "him" as "owner." So if the texts are "incoming" to Depp's phone, they are incoming from someone else.

How is this a question one way or another? How can both sides not affirmatively know where the text is from?? This is extremely remedial stuff.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to step in and say that, while I grew up a JD fan, that's not why I believe him. Some AH supporters here are painting Johnny fans as people who side with the man always, upholders of the powerful patriarchy or whatever.

My bias is 100% about AH's Borderline Personality Disorder. I grew up with an abusive BPD mom, and once you know a BPD, you can't help it with the pattern recognition. BPDs will tell any lie to save their image (which to them feels like saving their very life), they absolutely will invent abuse to get back at someone (it is a favorite tactic), they will deny something that you just saw happen 5 minutes ago, they lie so much you start to wonder if they believe their own lies (no one knows for sure), they know that a big lie is better than a small "weak" lie, and they laugh at those they have deceived. They believe everyone else is just as corrupt as they are (like, "you would have done the same thing" and "the others are all liars"). Oh, and they LOVE to appear all charitable and selfless, like they are standing up for a cause ("I wrote an op-ed, now I'm just like Angelina Jolie!"), giving money to charity (or rather just lying about it), and sometimes legitimately doing good works (but for the wrong reasons).

This doesn't mean that a person with BPD can't also be a victim though. I think people with BPD are often victims, actually. But I don't believe it in this case, because Johnny does not fit any patterns that I know. He's been consistent. I relate to his need for truth. I don't agree that he went through all this just to abuse Amber. I believe he needed to do this for himself.

He had a good record before Amber. Yes, he admits to drug and alcohol abuse, but she was abusing drugs and alcohol too, so I don't buy the whole, "He probably can't remember what he did!" You know, she might not remember what happened either, in her drunken state, and anyway, it's her pattern to LIE.

So now it will be over. I look forward to reading about the closing arguments tomorrow.

As far as "which side is right," if it matters a lot to you, I believe it will become clear when you see how each of them live out the rest of their lives. I am feeling optimistic for Johnny, that he puts this behind him and goes on to better things.

Does that consistency and need for truth include Depp accusing defense counsel of having fabricated evidence of his tweets when his own legal team produced them in discovery and did not contest their authenticity? And does that consistency include his pathetic fake accents that changes periodically when he forgets to maintain the pretense?

You know he thinks you’re a parasite, right? He has said that very openly about his fans and supporter.

The texts that were brought out in court that JD said he didn't recognized were actually not from him. It was pointed out later by some commentators that those texts appeared on the evidence as incoming. The text that JD said was his (the long, colorful one) was an outgoing. All these texts were from JD's phone so the incoming texts would not have been from him. So really AH's lawyers were sneaky and tried to make him admit something that he didn't write.

Then why didn’t his lawyers point out that the evidence was being misrepresented during his testimony? Are you saying Camille is too stupid to know her own care?

I don't know why nobody caught on at that moment. Maybe in the heat of the moment, his lawyers didn't catch that detail, but the evidence is there and the truth is AH's lawyers made a calculated move to deceive the jury.

It was a pretty lengthy exchange and his lawyer objected it on a bunch of other grounds before it was admitted into evidence. That would be a pretty massive oversight to have substantive discussions of the admissibility of evidence and it even look at the exhibit.

Well I'm not his lawyers and I don't know why they didn't catch it. All I know is commnentators from Law and Crime youtube channel mentioned it during a break the following day and they showed a pic of the evidence.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe those commenters were wrong?

I have no idea. They seem pretty legit to me. Their commentaries sound pretty balanced and I think they replayed a snippet when that evidence was shown to the jury and it did say incoming. Now, I don't know if they doctored it and I'm just too lazy to go back and check.

Okay I got curious and checked. this youtube video at the 12:15 time stamp shows the 2 texts as incoming. So if those texts were from his phone as AH's lawyer claimed, that would mean that he didn't send them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn0MAyAwrEA

Rottenborn gets agreement from Depp that all text evidence identifies him as “Him” because his full name is redacted (the images show a black bar) watch from 8:25 - 10:22

Yes, and the texts show "him" as "owner." So if the texts are "incoming" to Depp's phone, they are incoming from someone else.

How is this a question one way or another? How can both sides not affirmatively know where the text is from?? This is extremely remedial stuff.

Pretty sure it's his assistant's phone, which is also designated "his."

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to step in and say that, while I grew up a JD fan, that's not why I believe him. Some AH supporters here are painting Johnny fans as people who side with the man always, upholders of the powerful patriarchy or whatever.

My bias is 100% about AH's Borderline Personality Disorder. I grew up with an abusive BPD mom, and once you know a BPD, you can't help it with the pattern recognition. BPDs will tell any lie to save their image (which to them feels like saving their very life), they absolutely will invent abuse to get back at someone (it is a favorite tactic), they will deny something that you just saw happen 5 minutes ago, they lie so much you start to wonder if they believe their own lies (no one knows for sure), they know that a big lie is better than a small "weak" lie, and they laugh at those they have deceived. They believe everyone else is just as corrupt as they are (like, "you would have done the same thing" and "the others are all liars"). Oh, and they LOVE to appear all charitable and selfless, like they are standing up for a cause ("I wrote an op-ed, now I'm just like Angelina Jolie!"), giving money to charity (or rather just lying about it), and sometimes legitimately doing good works (but for the wrong reasons).

This doesn't mean that a person with BPD can't also be a victim though. I think people with BPD are often victims, actually. But I don't believe it in this case, because Johnny does not fit any patterns that I know. He's been consistent. I relate to his need for truth. I don't agree that he went through all this just to abuse Amber. I believe he needed to do this for himself.

He had a good record before Amber. Yes, he admits to drug and alcohol abuse, but she was abusing drugs and alcohol too, so I don't buy the whole, "He probably can't remember what he did!" You know, she might not remember what happened either, in her drunken state, and anyway, it's her pattern to LIE.

So now it will be over. I look forward to reading about the closing arguments tomorrow.

As far as "which side is right," if it matters a lot to you, I believe it will become clear when you see how each of them live out the rest of their lives. I am feeling optimistic for Johnny, that he puts this behind him and goes on to better things.

Does that consistency and need for truth include Depp accusing defense counsel of having fabricated evidence of his tweets when his own legal team produced them in discovery and did not contest their authenticity? And does that consistency include his pathetic fake accents that changes periodically when he forgets to maintain the pretense?

You know he thinks you’re a parasite, right? He has said that very openly about his fans and supporter.

The texts that were brought out in court that JD said he didn't recognized were actually not from him. It was pointed out later by some commentators that those texts appeared on the evidence as incoming. The text that JD said was his (the long, colorful one) was an outgoing. All these texts were from JD's phone so the incoming texts would not have been from him. So really AH's lawyers were sneaky and tried to make him admit something that he didn't write.

Then why didn’t his lawyers point out that the evidence was being misrepresented during his testimony? Are you saying Camille is too stupid to know her own care?

I don't know why nobody caught on at that moment. Maybe in the heat of the moment, his lawyers didn't catch that detail, but the evidence is there and the truth is AH's lawyers made a calculated move to deceive the jury.

It was a pretty lengthy exchange and his lawyer objected it on a bunch of other grounds before it was admitted into evidence. That would be a pretty massive oversight to have substantive discussions of the admissibility of evidence and it even look at the exhibit.

Well I'm not his lawyers and I don't know why they didn't catch it. All I know is commnentators from Law and Crime youtube channel mentioned it during a break the following day and they showed a pic of the evidence.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe those commenters were wrong?

I have no idea. They seem pretty legit to me. Their commentaries sound pretty balanced and I think they replayed a snippet when that evidence was shown to the jury and it did say incoming. Now, I don't know if they doctored it and I'm just too lazy to go back and check.

Okay I got curious and checked. this youtube video at the 12:15 time stamp shows the 2 texts as incoming. So if those texts were from his phone as AH's lawyer claimed, that would mean that he didn't send them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn0MAyAwrEA

Rottenborn gets agreement from Depp that all text evidence identifies him as “Him” because his full name is redacted (the images show a black bar) watch from 8:25 - 10:22

Yes, and the texts show "him" as "owner." So if the texts are "incoming" to Depp's phone, they are incoming from someone else.

DP. Because of the redactions, it’s not clear who “owner” is referring to. Depp’s legal team blocked admission of the unredacted version that might have made that clearer.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to step in and say that, while I grew up a JD fan, that's not why I believe him. Some AH supporters here are painting Johnny fans as people who side with the man always, upholders of the powerful patriarchy or whatever.

My bias is 100% about AH's Borderline Personality Disorder. I grew up with an abusive BPD mom, and once you know a BPD, you can't help it with the pattern recognition. BPDs will tell any lie to save their image (which to them feels like saving their very life), they absolutely will invent abuse to get back at someone (it is a favorite tactic), they will deny something that you just saw happen 5 minutes ago, they lie so much you start to wonder if they believe their own lies (no one knows for sure), they know that a big lie is better than a small "weak" lie, and they laugh at those they have deceived. They believe everyone else is just as corrupt as they are (like, "you would have done the same thing" and "the others are all liars"). Oh, and they LOVE to appear all charitable and selfless, like they are standing up for a cause ("I wrote an op-ed, now I'm just like Angelina Jolie!"), giving money to charity (or rather just lying about it), and sometimes legitimately doing good works (but for the wrong reasons).

This doesn't mean that a person with BPD can't also be a victim though. I think people with BPD are often victims, actually. But I don't believe it in this case, because Johnny does not fit any patterns that I know. He's been consistent. I relate to his need for truth. I don't agree that he went through all this just to abuse Amber. I believe he needed to do this for himself.

He had a good record before Amber. Yes, he admits to drug and alcohol abuse, but she was abusing drugs and alcohol too, so I don't buy the whole, "He probably can't remember what he did!" You know, she might not remember what happened either, in her drunken state, and anyway, it's her pattern to LIE.

So now it will be over. I look forward to reading about the closing arguments tomorrow.

As far as "which side is right," if it matters a lot to you, I believe it will become clear when you see how each of them live out the rest of their lives. I am feeling optimistic for Johnny, that he puts this behind him and goes on to better things.

Does that consistency and need for truth include Depp accusing defense counsel of having fabricated evidence of his tweets when his own legal team produced them in discovery and did not contest their authenticity? And does that consistency include his pathetic fake accents that changes periodically when he forgets to maintain the pretense?

You know he thinks you’re a parasite, right? He has said that very openly about his fans and supporter.

The texts that were brought out in court that JD said he didn't recognized were actually not from him. It was pointed out later by some commentators that those texts appeared on the evidence as incoming. The text that JD said was his (the long, colorful one) was an outgoing. All these texts were from JD's phone so the incoming texts would not have been from him. So really AH's lawyers were sneaky and tried to make him admit something that he didn't write.

Then why didn’t his lawyers point out that the evidence was being misrepresented during his testimony? Are you saying Camille is too stupid to know her own care?

I don't know why nobody caught on at that moment. Maybe in the heat of the moment, his lawyers didn't catch that detail, but the evidence is there and the truth is AH's lawyers made a calculated move to deceive the jury.

It was a pretty lengthy exchange and his lawyer objected it on a bunch of other grounds before it was admitted into evidence. That would be a pretty massive oversight to have substantive discussions of the admissibility of evidence and it even look at the exhibit.

Well I'm not his lawyers and I don't know why they didn't catch it. All I know is commnentators from Law and Crime youtube channel mentioned it during a break the following day and they showed a pic of the evidence.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe those commenters were wrong?

I have no idea. They seem pretty legit to me. Their commentaries sound pretty balanced and I think they replayed a snippet when that evidence was shown to the jury and it did say incoming. Now, I don't know if they doctored it and I'm just too lazy to go back and check.

Okay I got curious and checked. this youtube video at the 12:15 time stamp shows the 2 texts as incoming. So if those texts were from his phone as AH's lawyer claimed, that would mean that he didn't send them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn0MAyAwrEA

Rottenborn gets agreement from Depp that all text evidence identifies him as “Him” because his full name is redacted (the images show a black bar) watch from 8:25 - 10:22

Yes, and the texts show "him" as "owner." So if the texts are "incoming" to Depp's phone, they are incoming from someone else.

How is this a question one way or another? How can both sides not affirmatively know where the text is from?? This is extremely remedial stuff.

Pretty sure it's his assistant's phone, which is also designated "his."

Yes, this was discussed earlier in the testimony that the texts were collected from his assistant’s phone, but Depp sent them.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to step in and say that, while I grew up a JD fan, that's not why I believe him. Some AH supporters here are painting Johnny fans as people who side with the man always, upholders of the powerful patriarchy or whatever.

My bias is 100% about AH's Borderline Personality Disorder. I grew up with an abusive BPD mom, and once you know a BPD, you can't help it with the pattern recognition. BPDs will tell any lie to save their image (which to them feels like saving their very life), they absolutely will invent abuse to get back at someone (it is a favorite tactic), they will deny something that you just saw happen 5 minutes ago, they lie so much you start to wonder if they believe their own lies (no one knows for sure), they know that a big lie is better than a small "weak" lie, and they laugh at those they have deceived. They believe everyone else is just as corrupt as they are (like, "you would have done the same thing" and "the others are all liars"). Oh, and they LOVE to appear all charitable and selfless, like they are standing up for a cause ("I wrote an op-ed, now I'm just like Angelina Jolie!"), giving money to charity (or rather just lying about it), and sometimes legitimately doing good works (but for the wrong reasons).

This doesn't mean that a person with BPD can't also be a victim though. I think people with BPD are often victims, actually. But I don't believe it in this case, because Johnny does not fit any patterns that I know. He's been consistent. I relate to his need for truth. I don't agree that he went through all this just to abuse Amber. I believe he needed to do this for himself.

He had a good record before Amber. Yes, he admits to drug and alcohol abuse, but she was abusing drugs and alcohol too, so I don't buy the whole, "He probably can't remember what he did!" You know, she might not remember what happened either, in her drunken state, and anyway, it's her pattern to LIE.

So now it will be over. I look forward to reading about the closing arguments tomorrow.

As far as "which side is right," if it matters a lot to you, I believe it will become clear when you see how each of them live out the rest of their lives. I am feeling optimistic for Johnny, that he puts this behind him and goes on to better things.

Does that consistency and need for truth include Depp accusing defense counsel of having fabricated evidence of his tweets when his own legal team produced them in discovery and did not contest their authenticity? And does that consistency include his pathetic fake accents that changes periodically when he forgets to maintain the pretense?

You know he thinks you’re a parasite, right? He has said that very openly about his fans and supporter.

The texts that were brought out in court that JD said he didn't recognized were actually not from him. It was pointed out later by some commentators that those texts appeared on the evidence as incoming. The text that JD said was his (the long, colorful one) was an outgoing. All these texts were from JD's phone so the incoming texts would not have been from him. So really AH's lawyers were sneaky and tried to make him admit something that he didn't write.

Then why didn’t his lawyers point out that the evidence was being misrepresented during his testimony? Are you saying Camille is too stupid to know her own care?

I don't know why nobody caught on at that moment. Maybe in the heat of the moment, his lawyers didn't catch that detail, but the evidence is there and the truth is AH's lawyers made a calculated move to deceive the jury.

It was a pretty lengthy exchange and his lawyer objected it on a bunch of other grounds before it was admitted into evidence. That would be a pretty massive oversight to have substantive discussions of the admissibility of evidence and it even look at the exhibit.

Well I'm not his lawyers and I don't know why they didn't catch it. All I know is commnentators from Law and Crime youtube channel mentioned it during a break the following day and they showed a pic of the evidence.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe those commenters were wrong?

I have no idea. They seem pretty legit to me. Their commentaries sound pretty balanced and I think they replayed a snippet when that evidence was shown to the jury and it did say incoming. Now, I don't know if they doctored it and I'm just too lazy to go back and check.

Okay I got curious and checked. this youtube video at the 12:15 time stamp shows the 2 texts as incoming. So if those texts were from his phone as AH's lawyer claimed, that would mean that he didn't send them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn0MAyAwrEA

Rottenborn gets agreement from Depp that all text evidence identifies him as “Him” because his full name is redacted (the images show a black bar) watch from 8:25 - 10:22

Yes, and the texts show "him" as "owner." So if the texts are "incoming" to Depp's phone, they are incoming from someone else.

How is this a question one way or another? How can both sides not affirmatively know where the text is from?? This is extremely remedial stuff.

Pretty sure it's his assistant's phone, which is also designated "his."

Yes, this was discussed earlier in the testimony that the texts were collected from his assistant’s phone, but Depp sent them.

Proof? AH's lawyer said that "him" refers to Depp while Deuter's name was not redacted so "him" only refers to Depp and according to the bar on the left he's the owner of the phone. So "incoming" means that he received the text.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to step in and say that, while I grew up a JD fan, that's not why I believe him. Some AH supporters here are painting Johnny fans as people who side with the man always, upholders of the powerful patriarchy or whatever.

My bias is 100% about AH's Borderline Personality Disorder. I grew up with an abusive BPD mom, and once you know a BPD, you can't help it with the pattern recognition. BPDs will tell any lie to save their image (which to them feels like saving their very life), they absolutely will invent abuse to get back at someone (it is a favorite tactic), they will deny something that you just saw happen 5 minutes ago, they lie so much you start to wonder if they believe their own lies (no one knows for sure), they know that a big lie is better than a small "weak" lie, and they laugh at those they have deceived. They believe everyone else is just as corrupt as they are (like, "you would have done the same thing" and "the others are all liars"). Oh, and they LOVE to appear all charitable and selfless, like they are standing up for a cause ("I wrote an op-ed, now I'm just like Angelina Jolie!"), giving money to charity (or rather just lying about it), and sometimes legitimately doing good works (but for the wrong reasons).

This doesn't mean that a person with BPD can't also be a victim though. I think people with BPD are often victims, actually. But I don't believe it in this case, because Johnny does not fit any patterns that I know. He's been consistent. I relate to his need for truth. I don't agree that he went through all this just to abuse Amber. I believe he needed to do this for himself.

He had a good record before Amber. Yes, he admits to drug and alcohol abuse, but she was abusing drugs and alcohol too, so I don't buy the whole, "He probably can't remember what he did!" You know, she might not remember what happened either, in her drunken state, and anyway, it's her pattern to LIE.

So now it will be over. I look forward to reading about the closing arguments tomorrow.

As far as "which side is right," if it matters a lot to you, I believe it will become clear when you see how each of them live out the rest of their lives. I am feeling optimistic for Johnny, that he puts this behind him and goes on to better things.

Does that consistency and need for truth include Depp accusing defense counsel of having fabricated evidence of his tweets when his own legal team produced them in discovery and did not contest their authenticity? And does that consistency include his pathetic fake accents that changes periodically when he forgets to maintain the pretense?

You know he thinks you’re a parasite, right? He has said that very openly about his fans and supporter.

The texts that were brought out in court that JD said he didn't recognized were actually not from him. It was pointed out later by some commentators that those texts appeared on the evidence as incoming. The text that JD said was his (the long, colorful one) was an outgoing. All these texts were from JD's phone so the incoming texts would not have been from him. So really AH's lawyers were sneaky and tried to make him admit something that he didn't write.

Then why didn’t his lawyers point out that the evidence was being misrepresented during his testimony? Are you saying Camille is too stupid to know her own care?

I don't know why nobody caught on at that moment. Maybe in the heat of the moment, his lawyers didn't catch that detail, but the evidence is there and the truth is AH's lawyers made a calculated move to deceive the jury.

It was a pretty lengthy exchange and his lawyer objected it on a bunch of other grounds before it was admitted into evidence. That would be a pretty massive oversight to have substantive discussions of the admissibility of evidence and it even look at the exhibit.

Well I'm not his lawyers and I don't know why they didn't catch it. All I know is commnentators from Law and Crime youtube channel mentioned it during a break the following day and they showed a pic of the evidence.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe those commenters were wrong?

I have no idea. They seem pretty legit to me. Their commentaries sound pretty balanced and I think they replayed a snippet when that evidence was shown to the jury and it did say incoming. Now, I don't know if they doctored it and I'm just too lazy to go back and check.

Okay I got curious and checked. this youtube video at the 12:15 time stamp shows the 2 texts as incoming. So if those texts were from his phone as AH's lawyer claimed, that would mean that he didn't send them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn0MAyAwrEA

Rottenborn gets agreement from Depp that all text evidence identifies him as “Him” because his full name is redacted (the images show a black bar) watch from 8:25 - 10:22

Yes, and the texts show "him" as "owner." So if the texts are "incoming" to Depp's phone, they are incoming from someone else.

How is this a question one way or another? How can both sides not affirmatively know where the text is from?? This is extremely remedial stuff.

Pretty sure it's his assistant's phone, which is also designated "his."

Yes, this was discussed earlier in the testimony that the texts were collected from his assistant’s phone, but Depp sent them.

Proof? AH's lawyer said that "him" refers to Depp while Deuter's name was not redacted so "him" only refers to Depp and according to the bar on the left he's the owner of the phone. So "incoming" means that he received the text.

Each text had three different entries for “him,” so clearly there was more than one phone number for Depp, in which case he very easily could have sent the texts from a phone other than the one these texts were gathered from. Again, his legal team did not dispute the authenticity or defense counsel’s interpretation of these texts. You really think you know the evidence better than they do, the people who have repeatedly reviewed and analyzed the unredacted version of this document?

The arrogance astounds.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to step in and say that, while I grew up a JD fan, that's not why I believe him. Some AH supporters here are painting Johnny fans as people who side with the man always, upholders of the powerful patriarchy or whatever.

My bias is 100% about AH's Borderline Personality Disorder. I grew up with an abusive BPD mom, and once you know a BPD, you can't help it with the pattern recognition. BPDs will tell any lie to save their image (which to them feels like saving their very life), they absolutely will invent abuse to get back at someone (it is a favorite tactic), they will deny something that you just saw happen 5 minutes ago, they lie so much you start to wonder if they believe their own lies (no one knows for sure), they know that a big lie is better than a small "weak" lie, and they laugh at those they have deceived. They believe everyone else is just as corrupt as they are (like, "you would have done the same thing" and "the others are all liars"). Oh, and they LOVE to appear all charitable and selfless, like they are standing up for a cause ("I wrote an op-ed, now I'm just like Angelina Jolie!"), giving money to charity (or rather just lying about it), and sometimes legitimately doing good works (but for the wrong reasons).

This doesn't mean that a person with BPD can't also be a victim though. I think people with BPD are often victims, actually. But I don't believe it in this case, because Johnny does not fit any patterns that I know. He's been consistent. I relate to his need for truth. I don't agree that he went through all this just to abuse Amber. I believe he needed to do this for himself.

He had a good record before Amber. Yes, he admits to drug and alcohol abuse, but she was abusing drugs and alcohol too, so I don't buy the whole, "He probably can't remember what he did!" You know, she might not remember what happened either, in her drunken state, and anyway, it's her pattern to LIE.

So now it will be over. I look forward to reading about the closing arguments tomorrow.

As far as "which side is right," if it matters a lot to you, I believe it will become clear when you see how each of them live out the rest of their lives. I am feeling optimistic for Johnny, that he puts this behind him and goes on to better things.

Does that consistency and need for truth include Depp accusing defense counsel of having fabricated evidence of his tweets when his own legal team produced them in discovery and did not contest their authenticity? And does that consistency include his pathetic fake accents that changes periodically when he forgets to maintain the pretense?

You know he thinks you’re a parasite, right? He has said that very openly about his fans and supporter.

The texts that were brought out in court that JD said he didn't recognized were actually not from him. It was pointed out later by some commentators that those texts appeared on the evidence as incoming. The text that JD said was his (the long, colorful one) was an outgoing. All these texts were from JD's phone so the incoming texts would not have been from him. So really AH's lawyers were sneaky and tried to make him admit something that he didn't write.

Then why didn’t his lawyers point out that the evidence was being misrepresented during his testimony? Are you saying Camille is too stupid to know her own care?

I don't know why nobody caught on at that moment. Maybe in the heat of the moment, his lawyers didn't catch that detail, but the evidence is there and the truth is AH's lawyers made a calculated move to deceive the jury.

It was a pretty lengthy exchange and his lawyer objected it on a bunch of other grounds before it was admitted into evidence. That would be a pretty massive oversight to have substantive discussions of the admissibility of evidence and it even look at the exhibit.

Well I'm not his lawyers and I don't know why they didn't catch it. All I know is commnentators from Law and Crime youtube channel mentioned it during a break the following day and they showed a pic of the evidence.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe those commenters were wrong?

I have no idea. They seem pretty legit to me. Their commentaries sound pretty balanced and I think they replayed a snippet when that evidence was shown to the jury and it did say incoming. Now, I don't know if they doctored it and I'm just too lazy to go back and check.

Okay I got curious and checked. this youtube video at the 12:15 time stamp shows the 2 texts as incoming. So if those texts were from his phone as AH's lawyer claimed, that would mean that he didn't send them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn0MAyAwrEA

Rottenborn gets agreement from Depp that all text evidence identifies him as “Him” because his full name is redacted (the images show a black bar) watch from 8:25 - 10:22

Yes, and the texts show "him" as "owner." So if the texts are "incoming" to Depp's phone, they are incoming from someone else.

How is this a question one way or another? How can both sides not affirmatively know where the text is from?? This is extremely remedial stuff.

Pretty sure it's his assistant's phone, which is also designated "his."

Yes, this was discussed earlier in the testimony that the texts were collected from his assistant’s phone, but Depp sent them.

Proof? AH's lawyer said that "him" refers to Depp while Deuter's name was not redacted so "him" only refers to Depp and according to the bar on the left he's the owner of the phone. So "incoming" means that he received the text.

Each text had three different entries for “him,” so clearly there was more than one phone number for Depp, in which case he very easily could have sent the texts from a phone other than the one these texts were gathered from. Again, his legal team did not dispute the authenticity or defense counsel’s interpretation of these texts. You really think you know the evidence better than they do, the people who have repeatedly reviewed and analyzed the unredacted version of this document?

The arrogance astounds.

She’s almost an attorney, after all she is obsessed with this trial which means something right? If innocent, sweet, totally sane Johnny only knew that, he wouldn’t be banging the barely legal Russian girl, he’d fall madly in love (right before he applies for a TRO).

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Also, the texts are from February 2017, after their divorce. Relevance?

Relevant because it shows that he was still threatening her despite the restraining order and divorce filing. It confirms her testimony that he wouldn’t move on, he is vengeful, promised he’d ruin her, and she feared he would kill her. "I knew I wouldn't survive. I was so scared that it was going to end really badly for me. I believe he would have taken it too far and I wouldn't be here."

Let’s roll the Depp tape…

May 2016 Heard filed a domestic violence restraining order and filed for divorce.
August 2016 Depp threatened her: "she’s begging for total global humiliation" and "she's gonna get it." (REVENGE)

Depp said in various texts:
“ I can only hope that karma kicks in and takes the gift of breath from her.” (FEARED HE WOULD KILL HER)

"I have no mercy, no fear and not an ounce of emotion, or what I once thought was love for this gold digging, low level, dime a dozen, mushy, pointless dangling overused flappy fish market... I'm so f---ing happy she wants to fight this out!!! She will hit the wall hard!!! And I cannot wait to have this waste of a c-- guzzler out of my life!!!" (WHAT SHE REFERS TO AS THE MONSTER. HE DESCRIBED HIS EPISODES AS THE DEVIL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT)

Depp to Elon Musk: "I will stop at nothing. Let's see if mollusk has a pair... Come see me face to face.... I'll show him things he's never seen before... Like, the other side of his dick when I slice it off..." (THREATS OF VIOLENCE)

Rottenborn made Depp read these aloud in court:
"Is the slippery whore that I donated my j--- to for awhile staying there???"
"Hopefully that c---'s rotting corpse is decomposing in the f-----g trunk of a Honda Civic!!" (DEATH)

Read aloud by Baruch witness:
"I will f--- her burnt corpse afterwards to make sure she is dead." (RAPE)

Depp testified that he is "embarrassed" and uses "dark humor" to express himself.

Dr. Laurel Anderson, their marriage counselor testified that Depp and Heard engaged in "mutual abuse" with each other. Anderson said she also observed bruises on Heard's face at an in-person meeting.

In addition to the above, Rottenborn described to the court a DEPP’s 3 day binge in Australia:"Tragically, it's true. Amber did suffer sexual violence at the hands of Depp. You will hear in the most graphic and horrifying terms about the violence that she suffered. You'll hear that straight from her. She will get on the stand and she will tell you that. It happened."

She did: Not going to type out the triggering details other than the vodka bottle.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to step in and say that, while I grew up a JD fan, that's not why I believe him. Some AH supporters here are painting Johnny fans as people who side with the man always, upholders of the powerful patriarchy or whatever.

My bias is 100% about AH's Borderline Personality Disorder. I grew up with an abusive BPD mom, and once you know a BPD, you can't help it with the pattern recognition. BPDs will tell any lie to save their image (which to them feels like saving their very life), they absolutely will invent abuse to get back at someone (it is a favorite tactic), they will deny something that you just saw happen 5 minutes ago, they lie so much you start to wonder if they believe their own lies (no one knows for sure), they know that a big lie is better than a small "weak" lie, and they laugh at those they have deceived. They believe everyone else is just as corrupt as they are (like, "you would have done the same thing" and "the others are all liars"). Oh, and they LOVE to appear all charitable and selfless, like they are standing up for a cause ("I wrote an op-ed, now I'm just like Angelina Jolie!"), giving money to charity (or rather just lying about it), and sometimes legitimately doing good works (but for the wrong reasons).

This doesn't mean that a person with BPD can't also be a victim though. I think people with BPD are often victims, actually. But I don't believe it in this case, because Johnny does not fit any patterns that I know. He's been consistent. I relate to his need for truth. I don't agree that he went through all this just to abuse Amber. I believe he needed to do this for himself.

He had a good record before Amber. Yes, he admits to drug and alcohol abuse, but she was abusing drugs and alcohol too, so I don't buy the whole, "He probably can't remember what he did!" You know, she might not remember what happened either, in her drunken state, and anyway, it's her pattern to LIE.

So now it will be over. I look forward to reading about the closing arguments tomorrow.

As far as "which side is right," if it matters a lot to you, I believe it will become clear when you see how each of them live out the rest of their lives. I am feeling optimistic for Johnny, that he puts this behind him and goes on to better things.

Thank you for writing this. I also have a BPD parent and I can see the patterns in AH. When you lived with one for decades as your main caregiver, you know one when you see one. I also believe JD needed to do this for himself.

I'm not a JD fan, and I'd never heard of AH before this.

Just like he needed to swallow handfuls of ecstasy?

I don't know all the details of the trial. Handfuls of ecstacy might kill you. Smaller doses though are good for empathy and emotional connection, and used in therapeutic settings, particularly marriage counseling, for people who are open to that. I used many party drugs in the past, been around many people using drugs, and never saw anyone take "handfuls" of ecstasy. Also never witnessed violent behavior from ecstasy. Maybe really energetic dancing though.

JD's response was that he did not take "handfuls" of ecstasy and that if he had he would be dead.

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Does Camille have no shame in her closing arguments to jury. So strident.

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Anonymous wrote:Does Camille have no shame in her closing arguments to jury. So strident.

Also does JD have no shame.

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Is Camille married, engaged, does she have any kids? She has an immature disposition that seems much younger than her 37 y/o age, which usually means no kids, no married.

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Is it me or do CV’s closing arguments actually make AH look more like a woman in a bad relationship. Except for the tmz paparazzi part

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Anonymous wrote:Is Camille married, engaged, does she have any kids? She has an immature disposition that seems much younger than her 37 y/o age, which usually means no kids, no married.

Law firm life generally not conducive to rearing children for women. She’s 37?