Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss

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Aren't CCL teams supposed to be clubs a teams only?

[Anonymous]

There are two levels of CCL - I think CCL is all A teams, and CCL II is B teams.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Aren't CCL teams supposed to be clubs a teams only?

Yes, unless the CCL club is also an ECNL club (like McLean).

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Anonymous wrote:LOL what club is having their kids ECNL kids play in WAGS?

First, WAGS only allows so many guest players

Second, There is no player pass between U.S. Club Soccer and WAGS. So no, sorry to burst your bubble but ECNL kids are not playing in WAGS unless there is a dire roster need.

This is laughable.

I'm not the one what made the claim, which I also find highly suspect, but the only possible choice is Bethesda. Of the local ECNL clubs, FCV's second teams play VPL; McLean and MdUnited's second teams play CCL. Bethesda is the only one with B teams that play in WAGS, unless this poster making the even more ludicrous claim that ECNL teams are having players play down with C or D teams in WAGS.

This was a few years ago. CCL wasn't in the equation at the time. Maybe WAGS has changed the rules since then. (Or, I suppose, we're now talking about NCSL rules.) But even if not, there's a simple way to do it. Tell 25 kids they're ECNL players and tell 8 kids they're WAGS players. But when you turn in your rosters, make sure you have 15 on the WAGS roster.

ECNL allows 30 -- THIRTY!!! -- players on a team roster. They can only suit up 18 for a game. Do the other 12 just sit around?
http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/?page_id=1302

Geez -- people get defensive about the weirdest things!

ECNL can dual roster players on a NPL team because it is a U.S. Club Soccer player pass, that is it nothing sinister about it and basically the same thing as the CCL and CCL II player passes. In order for a ECNL player to play on a WAGS team they would have to be a guest player. You cannot be dual rostered in two separate leagues otherwise. The paper work required and the limitations that WAGS places on guest playing make it highly unlikely that ECNL players would be on a WAGS team other than a true need due to a injury. It has nothing to do with WAGS being "beneath" the ECNL players as much as it is a pain paperwork wise for each and every game. It just isn't practical and for no real reason.

And while ECNL allows up to 30 players on a roster you will likely not find any team over 25 and most stay at 22, which is normal at older ages when injuries can mount. And yes, players will make the trip and not dress for a game or they will play on the NPL team as the need arises or development needs require.

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And many small clubs don't care (nor do the players) about State Titles. I say that as somebody whose kids left a CCL club due to shitty training. State Titles are NOT a factor in my choosing a club for my kids. I earned 4 State titles and a Regional title myself and it did nothing to improve me as a player.

Player development and coaching staff are the utmost importance...and a 'feeling'. We are so much happier and the players and staff are much better. Many of the players train Internationally over the breaks. They have a world view, not a State view.

It's intimate and the level of training is light-years above our old big...churn 'em out, don't make eye contact with parents former club. The Technical staff knows all of the players down to the 7-year olds. In fact, they invest time building from the bottom up.

We came from a place where all of the emphasis was on the older players. The TDs had nothing to do with the younger players and there was zero club philosophy or style of play. It was pretty much---just grab up the best players from elsewhere at 14/15 to keep winning titles. No loyalty or investment in those from the ground up.

Where is this club that has a style of play ?

BRYC for sure teaches possession style starting with their U9s.. thats why if you watch their teams progress over a few years its the true essence of development .. the u9s tend to take their their lumps at the start of the year but as they progress through the year and into u10 and from there u11 and so on the BRYC teams are very technically sound... Now with that being I still believe in the talent factor as the most important factor. but i have to say without a doubt BRYC probably does the best job in the area as far as developing their kids to get them to reach each of their kids potential.

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BRYC thinks nothing of dropping kids even at U10 and U11 for better kids who try out. That's why its teams do better as they get to older age groups.

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Anonymous wrote:BRYC thinks nothing of dropping kids even at U10 and U11 for better kids who try out. That's why its teams do better as they get to older age groups.

Jesus this gets old. No club develops yet every club poaches developed players.

You do realize that rosters increase in age and ALL clubs add talent.

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Anonymous wrote:BRYC thinks nothing of dropping kids even at U10 and U11 for better kids who try out. That's why its teams do better as they get to older age groups.

Jesus this gets old. No club develops yet every club poaches developed players.

You do realize that rosters increase in age and ALL clubs add talent.

Rosters do not increase in size between U9 and U11, and not all clubs drop existing travel players at those ages. BRYC does.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:BRYC thinks nothing of dropping kids even at U10 and U11 for better kids who try out. That's why its teams do better as they get to older age groups.

Jesus this gets old. No club develops yet every club poaches developed players.

You do realize that rosters increase in age and ALL clubs add talent.

Rosters do not increase in size between U9 and U11, and not all clubs drop existing travel players at those ages. BRYC does.

Interesting, so when at U9 kids are playing 7v7 and a good healthy developmental roster is say 10 and then at U11 kids are playing 9v9 the team does not increase the roster from 10 kids?

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Anonymous wrote:BRYC thinks nothing of dropping kids even at U10 and U11 for better kids who try out. That's why its teams do better as they get to older age groups.

Its ok to drop kids for more talented kids thats why the have tryouts.. and you want to have the most talent you can. but you have to be real with yourself too your kid may have max his potential out at the u10 level. and thats ok !!! i wish every parent who signed uo for travel soccer was forced to take a picture of the kids team at u9 and every year after if your kid is still in it at u18 look back on every photo and identify 1st off how many kids actually made it that far but more than that how many are actually going on to college on a scholarship or in that almost impossible chance those who are actually going on to make a single dollar playing as a pro. I don't want to kill your kids dreams please encourage them to reach for the stars however i don't care one bit about the parents dreams . with that stop all the BS talk about Ateam Bteam this league that league.. if your kid has the skills to make to the elite level he will trust me they will see him and take notice. if he's on a Bteam in CCL II league he will be so far ahead of his peers coaches will take notice. same for a u16 Ateamer if he's has the talent it will be noticed but for 90% kids who stay in the game till u18 or more there is no payoff financially period. at the end of the day support YOUR KIDS love and passion for the game but leave the placement up to the coaches just sit on the sidelines and cheer for your team

[Anonymous]

Moving a kid between A/B/C/D from U9-11 is normal. If you choose to leave a club based on that kind of movement, that's on you not the club "dropping" your kid. A kid that gets dropped completely out of a club at those ages is probably due more to the demeanor of the parent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LOL what club is having their kids ECNL kids play in WAGS?

First, WAGS only allows so many guest players

Second, There is no player pass between U.S. Club Soccer and WAGS. So no, sorry to burst your bubble but ECNL kids are not playing in WAGS unless there is a dire roster need.

This is laughable.

I'm not the one what made the claim, which I also find highly suspect, but the only possible choice is Bethesda. Of the local ECNL clubs, FCV's second teams play VPL; McLean and MdUnited's second teams play CCL. Bethesda is the only one with B teams that play in WAGS, unless this poster making the even more ludicrous claim that ECNL teams are having players play down with C or D teams in WAGS.

This was a few years ago. CCL wasn't in the equation at the time. Maybe WAGS has changed the rules since then. (Or, I suppose, we're now talking about NCSL rules.) But even if not, there's a simple way to do it. Tell 25 kids they're ECNL players and tell 8 kids they're WAGS players. But when you turn in your rosters, make sure you have 15 on the WAGS roster.

ECNL allows 30 -- THIRTY!!! -- players on a team roster. They can only suit up 18 for a game. Do the other 12 just sit around?
http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/?page_id=1302

Geez -- people get defensive about the weirdest things!

ECNL can dual roster players on a NPL team because it is a U.S. Club Soccer player pass, that is it nothing sinister about it and basically the same thing as the CCL and CCL II player passes. In order for a ECNL player to play on a WAGS team they would have to be a guest player. You cannot be dual rostered in two separate leagues otherwise. The paper work required and the limitations that WAGS places on guest playing make it highly unlikely that ECNL players would be on a WAGS team other than a true need due to a injury. It has nothing to do with WAGS being "beneath" the ECNL players as much as it is a pain paperwork wise for each and every game. It just isn't practical and for no real reason.

And while ECNL allows up to 30 players on a roster you will likely not find any team over 25 and most stay at 22, which is normal at older ages when injuries can mount. And yes, players will make the trip and not dress for a game or they will play on the NPL team as the need arises or development needs require.

All I can tell you is that a certain club a few years ago (maybe 2-3?) made it work out. The ECNL kids sulked through WAGS games, the team was relegated from D1, and the WAGS families were pissed.

If it's not commonplace or no longer possible, fine. Probably for the best. But I'll be happy to swear on a virtual bible that it did in fact happen.

With that ... did everyone see NCSL division structures are out now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:BRYC thinks nothing of dropping kids even at U10 and U11 for better kids who try out. That's why its teams do better as they get to older age groups.

Jesus this gets old. No club develops yet every club poaches developed players.

You do realize that rosters increase in age and ALL clubs add talent.

Rosters do not increase in size between U9 and U11, and not all clubs drop existing travel players at those ages. BRYC does.

Interesting, so when at U9 kids are playing 7v7 and a good healthy developmental roster is say 10 and then at U11 kids are playing 9v9 the team does not increase the roster from 10 kids?

Where are U11 kids playing 9v9? Not in Virginia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:BRYC thinks nothing of dropping kids even at U10 and U11 for better kids who try out. That's why its teams do better as they get to older age groups.

Jesus this gets old. No club develops yet every club poaches developed players.

You do realize that rosters increase in age and ALL clubs add talent.

Rosters do not increase in size between U9 and U11, and not all clubs drop existing travel players at those ages. BRYC does.

Interesting, so when at U9 kids are playing 7v7 and a good healthy developmental roster is say 10 and then at U11 kids are playing 9v9 the team does not increase the roster from 10 kids?

Where are U11 kids playing 9v9? Not in Virginia.

Ummm, it will be everywhere:

"Small-Sided Games will be mandated come August of 2017, with specific changes occurring in regard to alterations to the field size, goals and rules. The result will be a decrease in 11-vs-11 competitions in lieu of more 9-vs-9 and 7-vs-7 competitions. U.S. Soccer will encourage the adoption of Small-Sided Games best practices in August of 2016. US Youth Soccer has been encouraging Small-Sided Games for more than 20 years and most of the 55 member State Associations have adopted the philosophy during that time.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:BRYC thinks nothing of dropping kids even at U10 and U11 for better kids who try out. That's why its teams do better as they get to older age groups.

Jesus this gets old. No club develops yet every club poaches developed players.

You do realize that rosters increase in age and ALL clubs add talent.

Rosters do not increase in size between U9 and U11, and not all clubs drop existing travel players at those ages. BRYC does.

Interesting, so when at U9 kids are playing 7v7 and a good healthy developmental roster is say 10 and then at U11 kids are playing 9v9 the team does not increase the roster from 10 kids?

Where are U11 kids playing 9v9? Not in Virginia.

Ummm, it will be everywhere:

"Small-Sided Games will be mandated come August of 2017, with specific changes occurring in regard to alterations to the field size, goals and rules. The result will be a decrease in 11-vs-11 competitions in lieu of more 9-vs-9 and 7-vs-7 competitions. U.S. Soccer will encourage the adoption of Small-Sided Games best practices in August of 2016. US Youth Soccer has been encouraging Small-Sided Games for more than 20 years and most of the 55 member State Associations have adopted the philosophy during that time.

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Not this year. And if and when they do adopt these recommendations, they will be playing 9v9 on a smaller field than that on which they currently play 8v8. So maybe rosters will expand from 10-12 to 12-13.

I don't deny that there are legitimate opportunities for teams to add talent. But some clubs also do so by cutting players whose money they happily took at u9. I personally think it's slimy to cut kids before u12 after taking them on, and it means that these clubs are only paying lip service to the concept of player development.